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EG is EASILY the best foreigner team there is bar none.
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On September 17 2012 07:56 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 07:44 Incomplet wrote:
WCS World Championship. Koreans knock out everyone, Stephano is the last foreigner standing. Stephano gets knocked out taking 8th place, viewers drop by 50% because there are only Koreans left (even though they show amazing play). You heard it here first, remember it.
As for Revel8, go read some of my posts. I fully support many foreign players such as Grubby for his passion and modesty and Naniwa & Mana for their dedication by going to Korea. Stephano will go to GSL next year. I expect when that happens you'll still be shit-talking him. If you actually gave any credit to achievements in SC2 you would not bash Stephano. It is that simple. He is incredibly good for the SC2 scene. Helping bringing in viewers at this stage of the development of SC2 could be crucial in helping the long-term viability of the scene. He inspires lots of players around the world that Foreigners can be successful at this SC2 thing. 100,000 people watched that victory. Why on earth would you complain about that unless you have some sort of malicious agenda? It is almost like you resent SC2 being popular globally.
Wrong, I resent this kind of attitude:
- "I've already won" before the grand final even begun
- "More money in my bank account"
- "I gave him the first set to make him think he could win" after winning
Now close your eyes and put yourself in Vortix's shoes...doesn't that make you want to punch him in the face if someone said that to you? This isn't how a human being should act. And to think that this kind of personality is actually being embraced by a portion of the community is sickening. Look at Grubby and the way he even shakes someones hand before and after matches, you can see the real sincerity of the guy, and when hundreds and thousands of eyes on you, and sponsors are on the line, people should act professional and with good manners.
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This has turned into the stupidest thread I've ever seen. Did the reddit threads magically teleport themselves into TL?
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On September 17 2012 08:02 ConGee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 07:56 revel8 wrote:On September 17 2012 07:44 Incomplet wrote:
WCS World Championship. Koreans knock out everyone, Stephano is the last foreigner standing. Stephano gets knocked out taking 8th place, viewers drop by 50% because there are only Koreans left (even though they show amazing play). You heard it here first, remember it.
As for Revel8, go read some of my posts. I fully support many foreign players such as Grubby for his passion and modesty and Naniwa & Mana for their dedication by going to Korea. Stephano will go to GSL next year. I expect when that happens you'll still be shit-talking him. If you actually gave any credit to achievements in SC2 you would not bash Stephano. It is that simple. He is incredibly good for the SC2 scene. Helping bringing in viewers at this stage of the development of SC2 could be crucial in helping the long-term viability of the scene. He inspires lots of players around the world that Foreigners can be successful at this SC2 thing. 100,000 people watched that victory. Why on earth would you complain about that unless you have some sort of malicious agenda? It is almost like you resent SC2 being popular globally. I doubt it, stephano's been in it for the money, wouldn't make mich sense for him to play GSL. He's turned down 4 seed invites already, doubt he's going to take the next.
You can doubt it all you want. I am pretty sure that EG will want him to go to Code S. HOTS Beta is messing up the timing though. The next few months is going to be a bit strange with players spending more and more time on HOTS while still competing in WoL tournaments.
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On September 17 2012 08:04 stratmatt wrote:
EG is EASILY the best foreigner team there is bar none.
Yup. They weren't bad before, and now they have the best foreigner in the world.
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:bow Stephano.
The pressure must be incredible to be treated like the defacto winner before the tournament already. Still pulling through so dominantly playing in the second toughest region, amazing stuff.
Really looking forward to the Asia finals (China possibly taking out some Koreans?) and the Global finals in November. I'm a happy SC2 fan today. ^^
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Will there be VODS for each matchup? Or are we just left with the VODS in Twitch?
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On September 17 2012 08:04 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 07:56 revel8 wrote:On September 17 2012 07:44 Incomplet wrote:
WCS World Championship. Koreans knock out everyone, Stephano is the last foreigner standing. Stephano gets knocked out taking 8th place, viewers drop by 50% because there are only Koreans left (even though they show amazing play). You heard it here first, remember it.
As for Revel8, go read some of my posts. I fully support many foreign players such as Grubby for his passion and modesty and Naniwa & Mana for their dedication by going to Korea. Stephano will go to GSL next year. I expect when that happens you'll still be shit-talking him. If you actually gave any credit to achievements in SC2 you would not bash Stephano. It is that simple. He is incredibly good for the SC2 scene. Helping bringing in viewers at this stage of the development of SC2 could be crucial in helping the long-term viability of the scene. He inspires lots of players around the world that Foreigners can be successful at this SC2 thing. 100,000 people watched that victory. Why on earth would you complain about that unless you have some sort of malicious agenda? It is almost like you resent SC2 being popular globally. Wrong, I resent this kind of attitude: - "I've already won" before the grand final even begun - "More money in my bank account" - "I gave him the first set to make him think he could win" after winning Now close your eyes and put yourself in Vortix's shoes...doesn't that make you want to punch him in the face if someone said that to you? This isn't how a human being should act. And to think that this kind of personality is actually being embraced by a portion of the community is sickening. Look at Grubby and the way he even shakes someones hand before and after matches, you can see the real sincerity of the guy, and when hundreds and thousands of eyes on you, and sponsors are on the line, people should act professional and with good manners.
Stage-interviews are serious business..
I think it would help you accept the world to realize that not everything should be taken at face value.
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On September 17 2012 08:04 MoiraineTV wrote:
This has turned into the stupidest thread I've ever seen. Did the reddit threads magically teleport themselves into TL?
This is always the case after a tournament ends, the LR always turns in some flame inducing discussion, whether it be who is the next bonjwa, if the elephant is real, racism, best foreigner, you name it and it has already happened T.T
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The best SC2 tournament we´ve seen so far has just ended and people bitch about Stephano´s attitude and racism and other nonsense. Seriously, just stop whining and complaining and be happy that Dreamhack put on such a good show.
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On September 17 2012 08:04 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 07:56 revel8 wrote:On September 17 2012 07:44 Incomplet wrote:
WCS World Championship. Koreans knock out everyone, Stephano is the last foreigner standing. Stephano gets knocked out taking 8th place, viewers drop by 50% because there are only Koreans left (even though they show amazing play). You heard it here first, remember it.
As for Revel8, go read some of my posts. I fully support many foreign players such as Grubby for his passion and modesty and Naniwa & Mana for their dedication by going to Korea. Stephano will go to GSL next year. I expect when that happens you'll still be shit-talking him. If you actually gave any credit to achievements in SC2 you would not bash Stephano. It is that simple. He is incredibly good for the SC2 scene. Helping bringing in viewers at this stage of the development of SC2 could be crucial in helping the long-term viability of the scene. He inspires lots of players around the world that Foreigners can be successful at this SC2 thing. 100,000 people watched that victory. Why on earth would you complain about that unless you have some sort of malicious agenda? It is almost like you resent SC2 being popular globally. Wrong, I resent this kind of attitude: - "I've already won" before the grand final even begun - "More money in my bank account" - "I gave him the first set to make him think he could win" after winning Now close your eyes and put yourself in Vortix's shoes...doesn't that make you want to punch him in the face if someone said that to you? This isn't how a human being should act. And to think that this kind of personality is actually being embraced by a portion of the community is sickening. Look at Grubby and the way he even shakes someones hand before and after matches, you can see the real sincerity of the guy, and when hundreds and thousands of eyes on you, and sponsors are on the line, people should act professional and with good manners.
If everyone was pressured to act professional with good manners then those acts of goodness would lose all meaning, since everyone basically HAS to even when they don't want to.
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On September 17 2012 08:09 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 08:04 Incomplet wrote:On September 17 2012 07:56 revel8 wrote:On September 17 2012 07:44 Incomplet wrote:
WCS World Championship. Koreans knock out everyone, Stephano is the last foreigner standing. Stephano gets knocked out taking 8th place, viewers drop by 50% because there are only Koreans left (even though they show amazing play). You heard it here first, remember it.
As for Revel8, go read some of my posts. I fully support many foreign players such as Grubby for his passion and modesty and Naniwa & Mana for their dedication by going to Korea. Stephano will go to GSL next year. I expect when that happens you'll still be shit-talking him. If you actually gave any credit to achievements in SC2 you would not bash Stephano. It is that simple. He is incredibly good for the SC2 scene. Helping bringing in viewers at this stage of the development of SC2 could be crucial in helping the long-term viability of the scene. He inspires lots of players around the world that Foreigners can be successful at this SC2 thing. 100,000 people watched that victory. Why on earth would you complain about that unless you have some sort of malicious agenda? It is almost like you resent SC2 being popular globally. Wrong, I resent this kind of attitude: - "I've already won" before the grand final even begun - "More money in my bank account" - "I gave him the first set to make him think he could win" after winning Now close your eyes and put yourself in Vortix's shoes...doesn't that make you want to punch him in the face if someone said that to you? This isn't how a human being should act. And to think that this kind of personality is actually being embraced by a portion of the community is sickening. Look at Grubby and the way he even shakes someones hand before and after matches, you can see the real sincerity of the guy, and when hundreds and thousands of eyes on you, and sponsors are on the line, people should act professional and with good manners. Stage-interviews are serious business.. I think it would help you accept the world to realize that not everything should be taken at face value.
But when you are as famous as Stephano, people can and will take things said at face value. Look at Orb and what happened to him, and he isn't even half as popular as Stephano. The bottom line is, when you are in the spotlight, every little thing said on camera needs to be carefully thought out with full awareness of the sponsors. Even when someone jokingly says something bad, there is such a thing as a bad joke and people can and will take offense to it.
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On September 17 2012 08:04 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 07:56 revel8 wrote:On September 17 2012 07:44 Incomplet wrote:
WCS World Championship. Koreans knock out everyone, Stephano is the last foreigner standing. Stephano gets knocked out taking 8th place, viewers drop by 50% because there are only Koreans left (even though they show amazing play). You heard it here first, remember it.
As for Revel8, go read some of my posts. I fully support many foreign players such as Grubby for his passion and modesty and Naniwa & Mana for their dedication by going to Korea. Stephano will go to GSL next year. I expect when that happens you'll still be shit-talking him. If you actually gave any credit to achievements in SC2 you would not bash Stephano. It is that simple. He is incredibly good for the SC2 scene. Helping bringing in viewers at this stage of the development of SC2 could be crucial in helping the long-term viability of the scene. He inspires lots of players around the world that Foreigners can be successful at this SC2 thing. 100,000 people watched that victory. Why on earth would you complain about that unless you have some sort of malicious agenda? It is almost like you resent SC2 being popular globally. Wrong, I resent this kind of attitude: - "I've already won" before the grand final even begun - "More money in my bank account" - "I gave him the first set to make him think he could win" after winning Now close your eyes and put yourself in Vortix's shoes...doesn't that make you want to punch him in the face if someone said that to you? This isn't how a human being should act. And to think that this kind of personality is actually being embraced by a portion of the community is sickening. Look at Grubby and the way he even shakes someones hand before and after matches, you can see the real sincerity of the guy, and when hundreds and thousands of eyes on you, and sponsors are on the line, people should act professional and with good manners.
You don't have to like his personality. Do you also complain when all those GSL Finalists predict they will win 4-0? I bet you don't shit-talk MC for being extremely confident in his statements.
Your problem is you constantly belittle Stephano's achievements in SC2. By doing so you are also belittling the abilities of all those players he has beaten in these tournaments. You are also trashing the achievements of all those Foreign players who have achieved less at this time than Stephano.
Numerous Korean pro-gamers have heaped accolades onto Stephano for his achievements and abilities. Only someone with an agenda would presume to pretend they know better than the likes of Polt, MC, Nestea, Symbol and Jaedong with regards to Stephano's abilities.
As Mock would say, if there was a tournament for bitterness you would be the one with a cheque for $24,000 dancing with a hot chick.
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On September 17 2012 08:14 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 08:09 m0ck wrote:On September 17 2012 08:04 Incomplet wrote:On September 17 2012 07:56 revel8 wrote:On September 17 2012 07:44 Incomplet wrote:
WCS World Championship. Koreans knock out everyone, Stephano is the last foreigner standing. Stephano gets knocked out taking 8th place, viewers drop by 50% because there are only Koreans left (even though they show amazing play). You heard it here first, remember it.
As for Revel8, go read some of my posts. I fully support many foreign players such as Grubby for his passion and modesty and Naniwa & Mana for their dedication by going to Korea. Stephano will go to GSL next year. I expect when that happens you'll still be shit-talking him. If you actually gave any credit to achievements in SC2 you would not bash Stephano. It is that simple. He is incredibly good for the SC2 scene. Helping bringing in viewers at this stage of the development of SC2 could be crucial in helping the long-term viability of the scene. He inspires lots of players around the world that Foreigners can be successful at this SC2 thing. 100,000 people watched that victory. Why on earth would you complain about that unless you have some sort of malicious agenda? It is almost like you resent SC2 being popular globally. Wrong, I resent this kind of attitude: - "I've already won" before the grand final even begun - "More money in my bank account" - "I gave him the first set to make him think he could win" after winning Now close your eyes and put yourself in Vortix's shoes...doesn't that make you want to punch him in the face if someone said that to you? This isn't how a human being should act. And to think that this kind of personality is actually being embraced by a portion of the community is sickening. Look at Grubby and the way he even shakes someones hand before and after matches, you can see the real sincerity of the guy, and when hundreds and thousands of eyes on you, and sponsors are on the line, people should act professional and with good manners. Stage-interviews are serious business.. I think it would help you accept the world to realize that not everything should be taken at face value. But when you are as famous as Stephano, people can and will take things said at face value. Look at Orb and what happened to him, and he isn't even half as popular as Stephano. The bottom line is, when you are in the spotlight, every little thing said on camera needs to be carefully thought out with full awareness of the sponsors. Even when someone jokingly says something bad, there is such a thing as a bad joke and people can and will take offense to it.
Stephano is cocky, everyone knows this. He has every right to be cocky as well. Since he broke out I think only MC and MVP have made more money than him. And guess what sponsors see most when they look at Stephano, a fucking gold mine because he is always going to be on stream, always going deep in tournaments and has a MASSIVE fanbase.
The dude shouldn't change a thing. Michael Jordan was more arrogant than anyone else, yet he was/is loved and its considered one of his greatest strengths cause he always got in the competitions head with his trash talk. You are really over blowing things.
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On September 17 2012 08:02 ConGee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 07:56 revel8 wrote:On September 17 2012 07:44 Incomplet wrote:
WCS World Championship. Koreans knock out everyone, Stephano is the last foreigner standing. Stephano gets knocked out taking 8th place, viewers drop by 50% because there are only Koreans left (even though they show amazing play). You heard it here first, remember it.
As for Revel8, go read some of my posts. I fully support many foreign players such as Grubby for his passion and modesty and Naniwa & Mana for their dedication by going to Korea. Stephano will go to GSL next year. I expect when that happens you'll still be shit-talking him. If you actually gave any credit to achievements in SC2 you would not bash Stephano. It is that simple. He is incredibly good for the SC2 scene. Helping bringing in viewers at this stage of the development of SC2 could be crucial in helping the long-term viability of the scene. He inspires lots of players around the world that Foreigners can be successful at this SC2 thing. 100,000 people watched that victory. Why on earth would you complain about that unless you have some sort of malicious agenda? It is almost like you resent SC2 being popular globally. I doubt it, stephano's been in it for the money, wouldn't make mich sense for him to play GSL. He's turned down 4 seed invites already, doubt he's going to take the next.
We don't give a fuck that you doubt it or think that he is in it for the money, when the man himself says he wants to try to do the gsl season in november if there is no big agenda conflicts.
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This tournament was a triumph for SC2. This was a great day for SC2 with the viewing figures. I cannot believe some folks are actually complaining and displaying bitterness. It's like some people want SC2 to fail.
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On September 17 2012 07:47 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 07:41 muzzy wrote:On September 17 2012 07:33 Incomplet wrote:On September 17 2012 07:30 muzzy wrote:
Also, when I say "The Humble Korean" , I don't see how some idiots are perceiving that as racist. I'm talking about the stereotypical way many Korean progamers quietly accept victory and defeat, without showing emotion. That has nothing to do with race. Also I should point out that "Korean" is not a race, it's a nation and a culture...
And I also think it's ridiculous that people will claim that it's somehow racist to support a foreigner/Westerner. People like underdog stories! It's more exciting when it is a David vs Goliath kind of scenario. It just so happens to be that Goliath in SC2 is Korea. If the situation were reversed, and Westerners won every event, there would be tons of people rooting for the lone Korean who was making his way through the brackets.
We saw this same crap in the DOTA2 International. The Chinese obviously were fielding all the best teams, so many were rooting for NaVi because they are charismatic and seen as an underdog of sorts. But, of course, the holier-than-thou white guys come out and claim we are racist because we don't want the Chinese team to win...
Except when you get people who actually say that they lose interest when the last foreigner falls, and then coincidentally the viewer count drops dramatically, it makes you wonder. FYI I am white and even I am not blind sighted by this obvious patriotism/racism/anti-Korean whatever it is, its sickening. I know you're white. It's always the white guys that scream "RACIST!". Interesting how that works. Once again, the viewer count drops because it is not as interesting to see the expected winners continue winning. People like to see upsets, we like to see crazy stories and underdogs coming through to win. When we get to a championship final and the top teams or players are exactly what we expected them to be, it's kind of a "oh, ok, I get it..." scenario. You keep trying to claim it's about race, which is entirely false. Stephano hasn't been an underdog for about a year. His winning tournaments is about as much of an upset as discovering that the GSL is broadcast in Korea.
He is not an underdog, but non-Koreans are underdogs. We like to see non-Koreans win because it is rare.
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On September 17 2012 08:04 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 07:56 revel8 wrote:On September 17 2012 07:44 Incomplet wrote:
WCS World Championship. Koreans knock out everyone, Stephano is the last foreigner standing. Stephano gets knocked out taking 8th place, viewers drop by 50% because there are only Koreans left (even though they show amazing play). You heard it here first, remember it.
As for Revel8, go read some of my posts. I fully support many foreign players such as Grubby for his passion and modesty and Naniwa & Mana for their dedication by going to Korea. Stephano will go to GSL next year. I expect when that happens you'll still be shit-talking him. If you actually gave any credit to achievements in SC2 you would not bash Stephano. It is that simple. He is incredibly good for the SC2 scene. Helping bringing in viewers at this stage of the development of SC2 could be crucial in helping the long-term viability of the scene. He inspires lots of players around the world that Foreigners can be successful at this SC2 thing. 100,000 people watched that victory. Why on earth would you complain about that unless you have some sort of malicious agenda? It is almost like you resent SC2 being popular globally. Wrong, I resent this kind of attitude: - "I've already won" before the grand final even begun - "More money in my bank account" - "I gave him the first set to make him think he could win" after winning Now close your eyes and put yourself in Vortix's shoes...doesn't that make you want to punch him in the face if someone said that to you? This isn't how a human being should act. And to think that this kind of personality is actually being embraced by a portion of the community is sickening. Look at Grubby and the way he even shakes someones hand before and after matches, you can see the real sincerity of the guy, and when hundreds and thousands of eyes on you, and sponsors are on the line, people should act professional and with good manners.
Are you a child? This is standard, it was ez money for Stephano. He had the right to say what he wanted. He traveled 40 hours before he even got to the event. Then, he showed up an hour before it started without his gear. Still fucking won, quit being so butt-hurt you bitch.
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Stephano played super well but so did the brothers. Super excited for Lucifron to make a comeback into competitive play.
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