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On September 17 2012 07:34 kju wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 07:32 Meggiroth wrote:
Look at the koreans qualified for WCS and tell me who can beat Stephano?
(No Oz,Revival, Violet around /trollface) atm there is only 1 korean qualified and he is favored against stephano.
I do not think stephano is not favored vs creator. His best hope is that someone like life or curious does not make it.
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On September 17 2012 07:34 kju wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 07:32 Meggiroth wrote:
Look at the koreans qualified for WCS and tell me who can beat Stephano?
(No Oz,Revival, Violet around /trollface) atm there is only 1 korean qualified and he is favored against stephano.
Name a Korean zerg with a better ZvP LOL.
3-1 squirtle, 2-0 parting, 2-0 genius, 6-2 hero at LANs, 4-1 JYP, look at the last 15 or so games he's played MC.
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On September 17 2012 07:34 kju wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 07:32 Meggiroth wrote:
Look at the koreans qualified for WCS and tell me who can beat Stephano?
(No Oz,Revival, Violet around /trollface) atm there is only 1 korean qualified and he is favored against stephano.
As favoured as Taeja supposedly was?
So many clueless people around that don't event know whats stephano's record against koreans or who competes at wcs asian finals.
So much stephano hate lol. Don't worry you'll hate him even more when he wins the china final.
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United Kingdom3022 Posts
On September 17 2012 07:34 Anton K wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 07:29 Incomplet wrote:On September 17 2012 07:25 TheSwedishFan wrote:On September 17 2012 07:17 Incomplet wrote:On September 17 2012 07:11 TheSwedishFan wrote:On September 17 2012 07:07 Incomplet wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 17 2012 06:59 muzzy wrote:
Got to love all the nerds complaining that he is too cocky or cares about the money. He has personality, get over it.
The "Humble Korean" act doesn't fly with foreign audiences... it's boring. Nobody wants a guy to go up there and pretend he is so humbled by the experience, so grateful, bla bla bla. The dude just smashed the best Europe has to offer and took home a $25 grand. He should be hyped and he should be cocky.
All the haters can keep on hating, because it's obvious that Stephano draws the crowds. Any tournament he is in, the stream numbers show it. Hell, look at the stream numbers as soon as he starts playing... they always spike and drop when he is done. Whole tournaments suffer when this guy is knocked out early (doesn't happen often...).
Much better, IMO, than half these guys who get up on stage and offer no conversation or emotion at all.
Naniwa can be as "passionate" about the game as he wants... doesn't seem to be getting him too far. Maybe money and success are better driving factors.
Humble Korean Acthttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218647Sorry but the only reason Stephano is popular is because he is white and can occasionally take down Koreans. Its racist, narrow-minded people like you, who have no idea about the enthusiasm of many Koreans who make me sick. In other words: 1 Korean wins and is a bore = all koreans are boring? 1 foreigner celebrates in style = all foreigners celebrate in style? LOL. Take your racism and GTFO out of Team Liquid. It's you that are being racist... Nope its the truth. Think long and hard about it. Many people call him the foreigner hope, why is that? Because he is not Korean... So cheering for lets say Sweden in the world cup would make me a racist? In this case i think most people will cheer for the underdog as they want to see something sensational. Nope, that would make you patriotic. Patriotism is a step down from racism but still annoying. Unite the world, our blood is all red. This is 2012, Patriotism and Racism needs to GTFO. Fuck you. I dont give a shit what year it is, people should be able to cheer for their country and not feeling guilty about it. It's sad to see the discussion derailing like this, I guess you (the h8rs) are the vocal minority though for sure. This was a really great event and the best one ever in SC2 history if you ask me. Dreamhack set the bar really high for the Asian Finals and the World Finals so I am hoping they will bring their A game!
Don't worry about this bitter troll. He says he doesn't care about Foreign tournaments but in every Foreign tournament LR thread he is constantly polluting the thread by bashing the Foreign players. He is a sad man obsessed with denigrating Foreign players. I am surprised that TL tolerates this sort of player bashing agenda.
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On September 17 2012 07:29 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 07:25 TheSwedishFan wrote:On September 17 2012 07:17 Incomplet wrote:On September 17 2012 07:11 TheSwedishFan wrote:On September 17 2012 07:07 Incomplet wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 17 2012 06:59 muzzy wrote:
Got to love all the nerds complaining that he is too cocky or cares about the money. He has personality, get over it.
The "Humble Korean" act doesn't fly with foreign audiences... it's boring. Nobody wants a guy to go up there and pretend he is so humbled by the experience, so grateful, bla bla bla. The dude just smashed the best Europe has to offer and took home a $25 grand. He should be hyped and he should be cocky.
All the haters can keep on hating, because it's obvious that Stephano draws the crowds. Any tournament he is in, the stream numbers show it. Hell, look at the stream numbers as soon as he starts playing... they always spike and drop when he is done. Whole tournaments suffer when this guy is knocked out early (doesn't happen often...).
Much better, IMO, than half these guys who get up on stage and offer no conversation or emotion at all.
Naniwa can be as "passionate" about the game as he wants... doesn't seem to be getting him too far. Maybe money and success are better driving factors.
Humble Korean Acthttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218647http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvVAa5SV8b0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7krjklSLgfESorry but the only reason Stephano is popular is because he is white and can occasionally take down Koreans. Its racist, narrow-minded people like you, who have no idea about the enthusiasm of many Koreans who make me sick. In other words: 1 Korean wins and is a bore = all koreans are boring? 1 foreigner celebrates in style = all foreigners celebrate in style? LOL. Take your racism and GTFO out of Team Liquid. It's you that are being racist... Nope its the truth. Think long and hard about it. Many people call him the foreigner hope, why is that? Because he is not Korean... So cheering for lets say Sweden in the world cup would make me a racist? In this case i think most people will cheer for the underdog as they want to see something sensational. Nope, that would make you patriotic. Patriotism is a step down from racism but still annoying. Unite the world, our blood is all red. This is 2012, Patriotism and Racism needs to GTFO.
If Patriotism and Racism had not advantages, why did people using them succeed in evolution?
What happend to all the peaceful, just people?
They got cut down.
Europe is in decline, it's glory days long past. So it's fine to have a chilly leaving, talking nice stuff, watching how the new masters of the world laugh at our words of "unite the world".
Watch China, watch the muslim countries. There is no "Unite the world". They don't want to, because we are too inferior to them in aspects the value.
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On September 17 2012 07:33 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 07:30 muzzy wrote:
Also, when I say "The Humble Korean" , I don't see how some idiots are perceiving that as racist. I'm talking about the stereotypical way many Korean progamers quietly accept victory and defeat, without showing emotion. That has nothing to do with race. Also I should point out that "Korean" is not a race, it's a nation and a culture...
And I also think it's ridiculous that people will claim that it's somehow racist to support a foreigner/Westerner. People like underdog stories! It's more exciting when it is a David vs Goliath kind of scenario. It just so happens to be that Goliath in SC2 is Korea. If the situation were reversed, and Westerners won every event, there would be tons of people rooting for the lone Korean who was making his way through the brackets.
We saw this same crap in the DOTA2 International. The Chinese obviously were fielding all the best teams, so many were rooting for NaVi because they are charismatic and seen as an underdog of sorts. But, of course, the holier-than-thou white guys come out and claim we are racist because we don't want the Chinese team to win...
Except when you get people who actually say that they lose interest when the last foreigner falls, and then coincidentally the viewer count drops dramatically, it makes you wonder. FYI I am white and even I am not blind sighted by this obvious patriotism/racism/anti-Korean whatever it is, its sickening.
I know you're white. It's always the white guys that scream "RACIST!". Interesting how that works.
Once again, the viewer count drops because it is not as interesting to see the expected winners continue winning. People like to see upsets, we like to see crazy stories and underdogs coming through to win.
When we get to a championship final and the top teams or players are exactly what we expected them to be, it's kind of a "oh, ok, I get it..." scenario.
You keep trying to claim it's about race, which is entirely false.
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Northern Ireland26224 Posts
Stephano in Korea
'Currently, during my stay at the TSL house, I've been practicing 8 - 9 hours a day. But as of late because I participate in so many tournaments I didn't really have a lot of time to practice. When I'm in France, I practice about 3 - 4 hours a day and I stream a lot.'
Not a ton of practice, but he does play a fair bit.
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On September 17 2012 07:38 sam05396 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 07:34 kju wrote:On September 17 2012 07:32 Meggiroth wrote:
Look at the koreans qualified for WCS and tell me who can beat Stephano?
(No Oz,Revival, Violet around /trollface) atm there is only 1 korean qualified and he is favored against stephano. I do not think stephano is not favored vs creator. His best hope is that someone like life or curious does not make it.
Life won't make it. Curious can and should.
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Didnt Mana beat stephano at dreamhack summer? And before that he lost to Sase in mlg or something. Dunno why ppl are talking like he doesnt lose to protoss...
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On September 17 2012 07:39 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 07:34 Anton K wrote:On September 17 2012 07:29 Incomplet wrote:On September 17 2012 07:25 TheSwedishFan wrote:On September 17 2012 07:17 Incomplet wrote:On September 17 2012 07:11 TheSwedishFan wrote:On September 17 2012 07:07 Incomplet wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 17 2012 06:59 muzzy wrote:
Got to love all the nerds complaining that he is too cocky or cares about the money. He has personality, get over it.
The "Humble Korean" act doesn't fly with foreign audiences... it's boring. Nobody wants a guy to go up there and pretend he is so humbled by the experience, so grateful, bla bla bla. The dude just smashed the best Europe has to offer and took home a $25 grand. He should be hyped and he should be cocky.
All the haters can keep on hating, because it's obvious that Stephano draws the crowds. Any tournament he is in, the stream numbers show it. Hell, look at the stream numbers as soon as he starts playing... they always spike and drop when he is done. Whole tournaments suffer when this guy is knocked out early (doesn't happen often...).
Much better, IMO, than half these guys who get up on stage and offer no conversation or emotion at all.
Naniwa can be as "passionate" about the game as he wants... doesn't seem to be getting him too far. Maybe money and success are better driving factors.
Humble Korean Acthttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218647http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvVAa5SV8b0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7krjklSLgfESorry but the only reason Stephano is popular is because he is white and can occasionally take down Koreans. Its racist, narrow-minded people like you, who have no idea about the enthusiasm of many Koreans who make me sick. In other words: 1 Korean wins and is a bore = all koreans are boring? 1 foreigner celebrates in style = all foreigners celebrate in style? LOL. Take your racism and GTFO out of Team Liquid. It's you that are being racist... Nope its the truth. Think long and hard about it. Many people call him the foreigner hope, why is that? Because he is not Korean... So cheering for lets say Sweden in the world cup would make me a racist? In this case i think most people will cheer for the underdog as they want to see something sensational. Nope, that would make you patriotic. Patriotism is a step down from racism but still annoying. Unite the world, our blood is all red. This is 2012, Patriotism and Racism needs to GTFO. Fuck you. I dont give a shit what year it is, people should be able to cheer for their country and not feeling guilty about it. It's sad to see the discussion derailing like this, I guess you (the h8rs) are the vocal minority though for sure. This was a really great event and the best one ever in SC2 history if you ask me. Dreamhack set the bar really high for the Asian Finals and the World Finals so I am hoping they will bring their A game! Don't worry about this bitter troll. He says he doesn't care about Foreign tournaments but in every Foreign tournament LR thread he is constantly polluting the thread by bashing the Foreign players. He is a sad man obsessed with denigrating Foreign players. I am surprised that TL tolerates this sort of player bashing agenda.
You know I think you might be right on the troll thing. Well, I was baited...
People supporting players from their own country (in the same way someone may support their local football team) makes them racists? I think it probably has to be a troll.
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On September 17 2012 07:39 Meggiroth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 07:34 kju wrote:On September 17 2012 07:32 Meggiroth wrote:
Look at the koreans qualified for WCS and tell me who can beat Stephano?
(No Oz,Revival, Violet around /trollface) atm there is only 1 korean qualified and he is favored against stephano. As favoured as Taeja supposedly was? So many clueless people around that don't event know whats stephano's record against koreans or who competes at wcs asian finals. So much stephano hate lol. Don't worry you'll hate him even more when he wins the china final.
Ok, lol. I don't mind Stephano winning it but I'm just being realistic and I don't think that it is going to happen.
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WCS World Championship. Koreans knock out everyone, Stephano is the last foreigner standing. Stephano gets knocked out taking 8th place, viewers drop by 50% because there are only Koreans left (even though they show amazing play). You heard it here first, remember it.
As for Revel8, go read some of my posts. I fully support many foreign players such as Grubby for his passion and modesty and Naniwa & Mana for their dedication by going to Korea.
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With the win Stephano is now the highest earning StarCraft player in 2012, and the 4th highest SC2 earner overall with $189,625.
Overall, this tournament was trully amazing. Great production (obv, a few audio hiccups here and there), great hosts with Rachel and RedEye, great casters. The place was awesome, the crowd too.
Seriously, way to go, Blizzard and Dreamhack ! 
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Personally I'd say Stephano has a good shot at taking the world title, maybe if Curious plays his best SC2 he's the most favored player against him, as well as Seed, but we all have seen Curious in the big stage before and know what happens....
As a Stephano antifan it saddens me, but he might win it all, I don't have much faith in Creator, Squirtle, or HerO to take it, I'd throw in a wild guess and say Rain is gonna give a good performance if he manages to qualify
All in all, I'd say the following to be most likely winners of WCS global finals:
1.- Seed
2.- Curious
3.- Stephano
And that's coming from an antifan  , maybe I'm just too big of a fan of more "traditional" korean champions
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It's stupid to support the players of your country because the bond you have with them is only in your immagination. Just support the ones you like, not the ones that were born in your country, specially in an individual sport.
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On September 17 2012 07:42 Fjodorov wrote:
Didnt Mana beat stephano at dreamhack summer? And before that he lost to Sase in mlg or something. Dunno why ppl are talking like he doesnt lose to protoss...
He also beat many top Korean protoss's I think the point is he actually has a legit shot at winning the world finals.
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On September 17 2012 07:42 Fjodorov wrote:
Didnt Mana beat stephano at dreamhack summer? And before that he lost to Sase in mlg or something. Dunno why ppl are talking like he doesnt lose to protoss...
might be because his winning % in 2012 is 77.42%
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United Kingdom3022 Posts
A great tournament. I thought Grubby did amazingly. Nerchio played some breathtaking dominant SC2. Lowely really surpassed expectations to deliver in a big tournament. Babyknight looked terribly impressive this weekend. The Duran brothers made an international breakthrough with incredible play. Stephano delivered again on his reputation as best Foreign player.
100,000 people watching that Finals. Awesome for SC2! Well done to Blizzard and Dreamhack.
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On September 17 2012 07:44 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 07:39 Meggiroth wrote:On September 17 2012 07:34 kju wrote:On September 17 2012 07:32 Meggiroth wrote:
Look at the koreans qualified for WCS and tell me who can beat Stephano?
(No Oz,Revival, Violet around /trollface) atm there is only 1 korean qualified and he is favored against stephano. As favoured as Taeja supposedly was? So many clueless people around that don't event know whats stephano's record against koreans or who competes at wcs asian finals. So much stephano hate lol. Don't worry you'll hate him even more when he wins the china final. Ok, lol. I don't mind Stephano winning it but I'm just being realistic and I don't think that it is going to happen.
If Stephano avoid most of the really good ZvZ specialist and get mostly protoss he is going to win the hole thing
On September 17 2012 07:46 CaptObvious wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 07:42 Fjodorov wrote:
Didnt Mana beat stephano at dreamhack summer? And before that he lost to Sase in mlg or something. Dunno why ppl are talking like he doesnt lose to protoss... might be because his winning % in 2012 is 77.42%
And he only lost those games because it was a meta game build Stephano didn't know how to deal with it. It took him 1 week to fix it and dominated Hero at NASL when he tried that build
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On September 17 2012 07:44 Incomplet wrote:
WCS World Championship. Koreans knock out everyone, Stephano is the last foreigner standing. Stephano gets knocked out taking 8th place, viewers drop by 50% because there are only Koreans left (even though they show amazing play). You heard it here first, remember it.
As for Revel8, go read some of my posts. I fully support many foreign players such as Grubby for his passion and modesty and Naniwa & Mana for their dedication by going to Korea.
Let's pretend that's true. That doesn't mean racism.
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