EPT[WCS EU] Finals Day 2 - Page 350
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CaptObvious
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Fjodorov
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m0ck
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On September 17 2012 07:23 Integra wrote: No, nothing really happened, people in the thread got bored once the tournament was over and wanted to argue about something, and the cocky/racist concept hadn't been argued for a while. I'm disappointed though, dreamhack got over 100k viewers so I really thought they were gonna argue about SCII against LOL, guess not. Haha, you nailed it! | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10139 Posts
On September 17 2012 07:23 ArcadeR wrote: Some of the posts look like the authors didnt even watch a single sport event in their whole life... Well most sports fans don't spoil cockyness, but rather like humble types (like for example Iniesta, very talented guy and really really humble which hypes even more admiration). There are exceptions of course, but it's how it works. | ||
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TheRidd
713 Posts
On September 17 2012 07:26 Fjodorov wrote: Start a thread about racism guys. Just thank Dreamhack for the amazing event and leave this thread clean and tidy. Or better yet start a thread where you can argue if Stephano is white or not  ) | ||
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Meggiroth
239 Posts
You know why Stephano has such a bigger fanbase than Naniwa, despite arguably being on the same skill level?. What are you smoking bro? I'm tired of hearing everywhere that stephano is arguably the best foreigner. You truly belive naniwa is on the same lvl with stephano just because he plays gsl only, practicing against the same 20 koreans and the same tactics for the whole year? Is that on the same level with constantly placing high in EVERY international event and winning a lot of them also? You compare a guy who gets kicked out in the first bracket of an international event with someone who earns the most money from sc2 prizes in 2012? I like Naniwa too and all, he has his moments, but you just can't argue anymore that Stephano isn't the best foreigner atm. Arguably in my eyes he is the best sc2 in the world and can beat any korean atm. Judging by the names qualified from korea at the china finals, Stephano shouldn't have big threats in taking the world champion title. | ||
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NeonFox
2373 Posts
I guess he is, that was a hilarious way to fail at his own argument. | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On September 17 2012 07:24 Incomplet wrote: Yep as others have already pointed out, Grubby is the role model we need. He is enthusiastic, passionate and modest at the same time. Not this arrogant snotty "more money in my bank account" and "I've already won" attitude. Regardless, I'm not too worried. Its only a few months until the Koreans can shut all the fan boys up during the championship. I will however be barracking for Grubby, despite his lower skill level. Little boxes on the hillside, Little boxes made of ticky-tacky, Little boxes, little boxes, Little boxes, all the same. There's a green one and a pink one And a blue one and a yellow one And they're all made out of ticky-tacky And they all look just the same. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26512 Posts
On September 17 2012 07:26 Benjamin99 wrote: The only thing he Sayd When Rachel asked him: it wasn't easy was it? Stephano: Yes it was easy. Rachel: "then why did you lost the first B03" Stephano: "To give him confidence and then crush him later" Of course it pissed off the haters Again with that word!  Never going to win on this one thoughOf course that's going to annoy people, even people who are neutral/like Stephano. Being cocky and all is showmanship if you're trash-talking before your games, to do it afterwards is just a bit unedifying, to me anyway. Don't overly mind, I like the divergence in personalities in the scene, but you're not a 'hater' for not liking that kind of behaviour | ||
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Incomplet
United Kingdom1419 Posts
On September 17 2012 07:25 TheSwedishFan wrote: So cheering for lets say Sweden in the world cup would make me a racist? In this case i think most people will cheer for the underdog as they want to see something sensational. Nope, that would make you patriotic. Patriotism is a step down from racism but still annoying. Unite the world, our blood is all red. This is 2012, Patriotism and Racism needs to GTFO. | ||
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RoyAlex
Norway420 Posts
On September 17 2012 07:11 Fusilero wrote: I can virtually guarantee the stephano doesn't practice is an exaggerated myth that gets spread because of stephano's image. Well I don't think people thinks he never practices, atleast thats not what I think. Surely he plays the game & practices! But from what a lot of people say, like Bling, Rotterdam and Stephano himself. It does not looks like he practices anywere near 8 hours or anything like that. Yet beats everyone easy, even Koreans like MC, HerO, Taeja and 99% of every foreigners. Most people he beats probably trains a lot more than Stephano. Stephano kinda looks like an foreigner Stork or something. Also there a more players who don't exactly practices much and still gives high performances in tournaments. Just look at Navi in the International, only practices 10 days total and gets second place ahead of every other foreigner teams and even beats hard workings Chinese teams. Brood War player Stork with his call phone games (btw: wtf?) and MVP still giving super good results while being prohibited from practicing with his wrists. | ||
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muzzy
United States640 Posts
And I also think it's ridiculous that people will claim that it's somehow racist to support a foreigner/Westerner. People like underdog stories! It's more exciting when it is a David vs Goliath kind of scenario. It just so happens to be that Goliath in SC2 is Korea. If the situation were reversed, and Westerners won every event, there would be tons of people rooting for the lone Korean who was making his way through the brackets. We saw this same crap in the DOTA2 International. The Chinese obviously were fielding all the best teams, so many were rooting for NaVi because they are charismatic and seen as an underdog of sorts. But, of course, the holier-than-thou white guys come out and claim we are racist because we don't want the Chinese team to win... | ||
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kwasuu
Poland13 Posts
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
On September 17 2012 07:21 iamthedave wrote: I don't recall MC having a reputation for talking about his tournament wins only in terms of how much money he makes... It has a lot to do with Stephano being - if not white - foreign. There is a subtle undercurrent of racism that runs through the attitudes of some people, but it's nowhere near as bad as he suggested. There are plenty of people who freely admit they do not give a crap about Koreans period, and will stop watching any tournament the moment the last foreigner is eliminated. I'd say that Stephano would be popular regardless of skin colour, because his popularity derives from being the only foreigner who can regularly beat Koreans in major tournaments. The entire foreign community - especially the part that flatly refuse to watch anything involving Koreans - has someone to rally around. It's silly to act like his personality is the primary reason for his popularity. It isn't. His success is why he's popular, and a lot of people - even his fans - have expressed reservations about his personality. Don't mind myself. He's honest, and I prefer honesty in a man. If the money's all he cares about, power to him. I really don't think it's racism. Nothing to do with race. If anything it's just that korea, south korea as a nation not the koreans as a race, is extremely dominant. By not being from the south korean nation they are the underdog, and people want to support them. Call it nationalist if you like, which still isn't true, but it has nothing to do with race. | ||
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Meggiroth
239 Posts
(No Oz,Revival, Violet around /trollface) | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26512 Posts
On September 17 2012 07:27 Meggiroth wrote: What are you smoking bro? I'm tired of hearing everywhere that stephano is arguably the best foreigner. You truly belive naniwa is on the same lvl with stephano just because he plays gsl only, practicing against the same 20 koreans and the same tactics for the whole year? Is that on the same level with constantly placing high in EVERY international event and winning a lot of them also? You compare a guy who gets kicked out in the first bracket of an international event with someone who earns the most money from sc2 prizes in 2012? I like Naniwa too and all, he has his moments, but you just can't argue anymore that Stephano isn't the best foreigner atm. Arguably in my eyes he is the best sc2 in the world and can beat any korean atm. Judging by the names qualified from korea at the china finals, Stephano shouldn't have big threats in taking the world champion title. I prefer Nani, but I do think Stephano is better. However that would be the bit there I'd disagree with. Stephano plays Zerg, and a really refined player he is but he's not really known for mixing it up. Nani was showing gate expands in PvZ against Donraegu, which is a massive change from his 'FFE or die' approach at MLG Providence. | ||
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nokz88
Brazil1253 Posts
On September 17 2012 07:27 Meggiroth wrote: What are you smoking bro? I'm tired of hearing everywhere that stephano is arguably the best foreigner. You truly belive naniwa is on the same lvl with stephano just because he plays gsl only, practicing against the same 20 koreans and the same tactics for the whole year? Is that on the same level with constantly placing high in EVERY international event and winning a lot of them also? You compare a guy who gets kicked out in the first bracket of an international event with someone who earns the most money from sc2 prizes in 2012? I like Naniwa too and all, he has his moments, but you just can't argue anymore that Stephano isn't the best foreigner atm. Arguably in my eyes he is the best sc2 in the world and can beat any korean atm. Judging by the names qualified from korea at the china finals, Stephano shouldn't have big threats in taking the world champion title. ...aaaaand this post marks the point where reason left this thread and gave way to Stephano dickriders... These people are the very same ones that say "oh stephano got knocked out and now there are only Koreans with zero personality. NOT WATCHING KTHXBAI". I'm sooooooo waiting for this when the World championship comes... | ||
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Incomplet
United Kingdom1419 Posts
On September 17 2012 07:30 muzzy wrote: Also, when I say "The Humble Korean" , I don't see how some idiots are perceiving that as racist. I'm talking about the stereotypical way many Korean progamers quietly accept victory and defeat, without showing emotion. That has nothing to do with race. Also I should point out that "Korean" is not a race, it's a nation and a culture... And I also think it's ridiculous that people will claim that it's somehow racist to support a foreigner/Westerner. People like underdog stories! It's more exciting when it is a David vs Goliath kind of scenario. It just so happens to be that Goliath in SC2 is Korea. If the situation were reversed, and Westerners won every event, there would be tons of people rooting for the lone Korean who was making his way through the brackets. We saw this same crap in the DOTA2 International. The Chinese obviously were fielding all the best teams, so many were rooting for NaVi because they are charismatic and seen as an underdog of sorts. But, of course, the holier-than-thou white guys come out and claim we are racist because we don't want the Chinese team to win... Except when you get people who actually say that they lose interest when the last foreigner falls, and then coincidentally the viewer count drops dramatically, it makes you wonder. FYI I am white and even I am not blind sighted by this obvious patriotism/racism/anti-Korean whatever it is, its sickening. | ||
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