On September 17 2012 03:27 xrapture wrote: Lucifron beating a barely 50% winrate random foreign Zerg is not "flawless" or "revolutionizing" play. He still lost to Stephano in a very sloppy series.
Lucifron is really good....he just doesnt play as much because of studies...also he shows up at like 1 maybe 2 tourneys per year...you should really take his stats very lighlty because hes obviously in top form in this tourney....
On September 17 2012 03:07 Azarkon wrote: This level of play is insane coming out of Europe.
It's one hell of a lethal line-up Europe is going to be sending to the world championships.
I think we've got a realistic shot of making life very difficult for the Koreans.
Koreans aren't even going with their best, maybe there will be some big surprises in WCS finals
There "best" couldn't qualify buddy maybe they arnt the "best"?
GSL stats say otherwise, really, between forfeits, scheduling issues and what not, big hitters were out quickly, which sucks. KRs are the most exciting players imo, but this is not their best. For whatever reason KRs in general seem to have placed little importance on WCS.
uhhh the 'best' players competed, and lost D:
one tournament doesn't show who the best is, Creator won WCS Korea and failed to pass his up/down group.
You could say the same about any tournament, including GSL.
On September 17 2012 03:27 blug wrote: I have no idea why terran are saying that zerg are OP. This new mech style that is being adapted by Koreans and passing onto Foreigners is getting out of control.
The APM for it isn't rediculously high either, can be done by a low masters terran.
lol arguing with APM is a bit silly its not really important
Why not? Most low terrans bitch because they think Zerg is imbalanced until you reach an MVP level. The strats these guys use don't require much APM, it's just positioning. But Honestly, Positioning is more forgiving against lesser zergs.
On September 17 2012 03:07 Azarkon wrote: This level of play is insane coming out of Europe.
It's one hell of a lethal line-up Europe is going to be sending to the world championships.
I think we've got a realistic shot of making life very difficult for the Koreans.
Koreans aren't even going with their best, maybe there will be some big surprises in WCS finals
There "best" couldn't qualify buddy maybe they arnt the "best"?
so if stephano had bombed out of wcs france because of a bad condition or he had a bad day he's not one of the best in EU? that's what happened with WCS KR. some of the best Terrans didn't make it in the qualifiers and some of the other best players forfeited.
I think that there is a high chance of a foreign champion, if we just look at the qualified players -
Nerchio - We all know he can defeat koreans already, we saw it at HSC V and IEM Gamescon Grubby - We also know that he defeated koreans are other tournaments aswell, and has the potential to beat anyone on a good day (Except Stephano). BabyKnight - Haven't proven himself as much, but he did beat Keen and Symbol in the FXOpen invitational a little over a month ago. Lowely - He haven't really beaten koreans, but his level of play could upset some. VortiX - He have already beaten koreans before and put up good fights against the best players in the world. Lucifron - Anyone who have seen his play will agree that he is good enough to beat any of the koreans if he keeps on the play his displaying right now. Stephano - We know he competes with koreans, and WCS Korea was mainly protoss.. and we know StephanovP is imbalanced as the only korean protoss who keeps an even record with him is MC, all the others just fall over.
It's gonna be really exciting. The great unknown factors for me are the Chinese players. Having home advantage may help them too.
On September 17 2012 03:07 Azarkon wrote: This level of play is insane coming out of Europe.
It's one hell of a lethal line-up Europe is going to be sending to the world championships.
I think we've got a realistic shot of making life very difficult for the Koreans.
Koreans aren't even going with their best, maybe there will be some big surprises in WCS finals
There "best" couldn't qualify buddy maybe they arnt the "best"?
GSL stats say otherwise, really, between forfeits, scheduling issues and what not, big hitters were out quickly, which sucks. KRs are the most exciting players imo, but this is not their best. For whatever reason KRs in general seem to have placed little importance on WCS.
uhhh the 'best' players competed, and lost D:
one tournament doesn't show who the best is, Creator won WCS Korea and failed to pass his up/down group.
You could say the same about any tournament, including GSL.
Indeed you could which is why saying that all the players who made it to WCS Asia are the best players in Korea is just wrong, you can't show that through one tournament. ( especially a tournament format with only brackets and no group stages )
On September 17 2012 03:27 xrapture wrote: Lucifron beating a barely 50% winrate random foreign Zerg is not "flawless" or "revolutionizing" play. He still lost to Stephano in a very sloppy series.
Finally
Doesn't change the fact that Lucifrons decisions in the series was perfect, but yeah, just because he beats Lowely doesn't mean his #1 terran in the world.
And if Lucifron played sloppy and almost brought Stephano to the brink of destruction, then I don't think anyone wants to face a non-sloppy Lucifron.
On September 17 2012 03:07 Azarkon wrote: This level of play is insane coming out of Europe.
It's one hell of a lethal line-up Europe is going to be sending to the world championships.
I think we've got a realistic shot of making life very difficult for the Koreans.
Koreans aren't even going with their best, maybe there will be some big surprises in WCS finals
There "best" couldn't qualify buddy maybe they arnt the "best"?
so if stephano had bombed out of wcs france because of a bad condition or he had a bad day he's not one of the best in EU? that's what happened with WCS KR. some of the best Terrans didn't make it in the qualifiers and some of the other best players forfeited.
I think that there is a high chance of a foreign champion, if we just look at the qualified players -
Nerchio - We all know he can defeat koreans already, we saw it at HSC V and IEM Gamescon Grubby - We also know that he defeated koreans are other tournaments aswell, and has the potential to beat anyone on a good day (Except Stephano). BabyKnight - Haven't proven himself as much, but he did beat Keen and Symbol in the FXOpen invitational a little over a month ago. Lowely - He haven't really beaten koreans, but his level of play could upset some. VortiX - He have already beaten koreans before and put up good fights against the best players in the world. Lucifron - Anyone who have seen his play will agree that he is good enough to beat any of the koreans if he keeps on the play his displaying right now. Stephano - We know he competes with koreans, and WCS Korea was mainly protoss.. and we know StephanovP is imbalanced as the only korean protoss who keeps an even record with him is MC, all the others just fall over.
It's gonna be really exciting. The great unknown factors for me are the Chinese players. Having home advantage may help them too.
I actually haven't even thought of the chinese, but whenever chinese match up against koreans in china, they seem to do pretty damn well, like in Starswar 7, MacSed I believe won that over MMA?
I really don't know how to back this up, but WCS korea just felt unimportant and half-assed all the way through, MC and MVP forfeiting just made it all a lot clearer, neither the players nor the teams seemed to take this too seriously, it looked like a training ground throughout the whole thing, or like a tournament to show off some players who get less air time, which isn't a bad thing, but still, it was a strange tourney
On September 17 2012 03:28 Poopi wrote: I still believe. LucifroN winning the tournament after beating Stephano in two bo3 =D. Most talented / hard working EU player there is for sure.
Wait what, what are you basing this on? Most of the empire guys are working their asses off, so one good tournament for Lucifron and he's suddenly the most talented and hard working one, sigh
For the talent, he is always raping everything once he starts training again. For the hard work, he managed to be #1 on ladder, ahead of fOrGG.
On September 17 2012 03:27 xrapture wrote: Lucifron beating a barely 50% winrate random foreign Zerg is not "flawless" or "revolutionizing" play. He still lost to Stephano in a very sloppy series.
Finally
Doesn't change the fact that Lucifrons decisions in the series was perfect, but yeah, just because he beats Lowely doesn't mean his #1 terran in the world.
And if Lucifron played sloppy and almost brought Stephano to the brink of destruction, then I don't think anyone wants to face a non-sloppy Lucifron.
Im not saying he's bad, he's been playing very well and it's showing, I am impressed I just prefer not to hype up players before they can show it consistently.
On September 17 2012 03:07 Azarkon wrote: This level of play is insane coming out of Europe.
It's one hell of a lethal line-up Europe is going to be sending to the world championships.
I think we've got a realistic shot of making life very difficult for the Koreans.
Koreans aren't even going with their best, maybe there will be some big surprises in WCS finals
There "best" couldn't qualify buddy maybe they arnt the "best"?
so if stephano had bombed out of wcs france because of a bad condition or he had a bad day he's not one of the best in EU? that's what happened with WCS KR. some of the best Terrans didn't make it in the qualifiers and some of the other best players forfeited.
I think that there is a high chance of a foreign champion, if we just look at the qualified players -
Nerchio - We all know he can defeat koreans already, we saw it at HSC V and IEM Gamescon Grubby - We also know that he defeated koreans are other tournaments aswell, and has the potential to beat anyone on a good day (Except Stephano). BabyKnight - Haven't proven himself as much, but he did beat Keen and Symbol in the FXOpen invitational a little over a month ago. Lowely - He haven't really beaten koreans, but his level of play could upset some. VortiX - He have already beaten koreans before and put up good fights against the best players in the world. Lucifron - Anyone who have seen his play will agree that he is good enough to beat any of the koreans if he keeps on the play his displaying right now. Stephano - We know he competes with koreans, and WCS Korea was mainly protoss.. and we know StephanovP is imbalanced as the only korean protoss who keeps an even record with him is MC, all the others just fall over.
It's gonna be really exciting. The great unknown factors for me are the Chinese players. Having home advantage may help them too.
I wasn't that impressed with their level of play. Except for the auto seeds, I think they're going to be eliminated in the Asian stage of the tournament.
On September 17 2012 03:07 Azarkon wrote: This level of play is insane coming out of Europe.
It's one hell of a lethal line-up Europe is going to be sending to the world championships.
I think we've got a realistic shot of making life very difficult for the Koreans.
Koreans aren't even going with their best, maybe there will be some big surprises in WCS finals
There "best" couldn't qualify buddy maybe they arnt the "best"?
so if stephano had bombed out of wcs france because of a bad condition or he had a bad day he's not one of the best in EU? that's what happened with WCS KR. some of the best Terrans didn't make it in the qualifiers and some of the other best players forfeited.
I think that there is a high chance of a foreign champion, if we just look at the qualified players -
Nerchio - We all know he can defeat koreans already, we saw it at HSC V and IEM Gamescon Grubby - We also know that he defeated koreans are other tournaments aswell, and has the potential to beat anyone on a good day (Except Stephano). BabyKnight - Haven't proven himself as much, but he did beat Keen and Symbol in the FXOpen invitational a little over a month ago. Lowely - He haven't really beaten koreans, but his level of play could upset some. VortiX - He have already beaten koreans before and put up good fights against the best players in the world. Lucifron - Anyone who have seen his play will agree that he is good enough to beat any of the koreans if he keeps on the play his displaying right now. Stephano - We know he competes with koreans, and WCS Korea was mainly protoss.. and we know StephanovP is imbalanced as the only korean protoss who keeps an even record with him is MC, all the others just fall over.
It's gonna be really exciting. The great unknown factors for me are the Chinese players. Having home advantage may help them too.
There's a very high chance it'll just be comm vs the world though.
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