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xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
September 16 2012 18:27 GMT
#3701
Lucifron beating a barely 50% winrate random foreign Zerg is not "flawless" or "revolutionizing" play. He still lost to Stephano in a very sloppy series.
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
abalam
Profile Joined October 2011
Switzerland316 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-16 18:30:58
September 16 2012 18:28 GMT
#3702
On September 17 2012 03:23 Chenz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 03:22 AlternativeEgo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

The pinnacle of Swedish music :/


Here have some real swedish music

+ Show Spoiler +



Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
September 16 2012 18:28 GMT
#3703
On September 17 2012 03:25 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 03:20 Benjamin99 wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:15 mordk wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:12 Asymmetric wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:07 Azarkon wrote:
This level of play is insane coming out of Europe.


It's one hell of a lethal line-up Europe is going to be sending to the world championships.

I think we've got a realistic shot of making life very difficult for the Koreans.

Koreans aren't even going with their best, maybe there will be some big surprises in WCS finals


There "best" couldn't qualify buddy maybe they arnt the "best"?

GSL stats say otherwise, really, between forfeits, scheduling issues and what not, big hitters were out quickly, which sucks. KRs are the most exciting players imo, but this is not their best. For whatever reason KRs in general seem to have placed little importance on WCS.


I honestly dont think they like the idea of a tournament othar than gsl/osl being considered WORLDS best tournament, and the world champion is the current champion of these tournaments. If this is the case, they do have a point ^^
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 16 2012 18:28 GMT
#3704
On September 17 2012 03:26 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 03:25 mordk wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:20 Benjamin99 wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:15 mordk wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:12 Asymmetric wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:07 Azarkon wrote:
This level of play is insane coming out of Europe.


It's one hell of a lethal line-up Europe is going to be sending to the world championships.

I think we've got a realistic shot of making life very difficult for the Koreans.

Koreans aren't even going with their best, maybe there will be some big surprises in WCS finals


There "best" couldn't qualify buddy maybe they arnt the "best"?

GSL stats say otherwise, really, between forfeits, scheduling issues and what not, big hitters were out quickly, which sucks. KRs are the most exciting players imo, but this is not their best. For whatever reason KRs in general seem to have placed little importance on WCS.


uhhh the 'best' players competed, and lost D:


one tournament doesn't show who the best is, Creator won WCS Korea and failed to pass his up/down group.
jnd
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Czech Republic915 Posts
September 16 2012 18:28 GMT
#3705
On September 17 2012 03:25 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 03:20 Benjamin99 wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:15 mordk wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:12 Asymmetric wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:07 Azarkon wrote:
This level of play is insane coming out of Europe.


It's one hell of a lethal line-up Europe is going to be sending to the world championships.

I think we've got a realistic shot of making life very difficult for the Koreans.

Koreans aren't even going with their best, maybe there will be some big surprises in WCS finals


There "best" couldn't qualify buddy maybe they arnt the "best"?

GSL stats say otherwise, really, between forfeits, scheduling issues and what not, big hitters were out quickly, which sucks. KRs are the most exciting players imo, but this is not their best. For whatever reason KRs in general seem to have placed little importance on WCS.

GSL has different tournament style so their stats doesn't have much weight there.
Team 8 BaBy will be the next Terran Bonjwa in HoTS | HSC V, the best tournament in 2012 | GD Studio #1 no fluff esports show
Vaftrudner
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden1185 Posts
September 16 2012 18:28 GMT
#3706
On September 17 2012 03:23 Chenz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 03:22 AlternativeEgo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxxajLWwzqY

The pinnacle of Swedish music :/

Don't hate on Swedish music! We've had Jakob Hellman, Atomic Swing, the progg movement, some of the world's best metal with bands like Dissection etc. As long as you ignore the radio hits, most countries have great music to find <3
"Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one." - Day9
Hiea
Profile Joined March 2012
Denmark1538 Posts
September 16 2012 18:28 GMT
#3707
On September 17 2012 03:21 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 03:20 Benjamin99 wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:15 mordk wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:12 Asymmetric wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:07 Azarkon wrote:
This level of play is insane coming out of Europe.


It's one hell of a lethal line-up Europe is going to be sending to the world championships.

I think we've got a realistic shot of making life very difficult for the Koreans.

Koreans aren't even going with their best, maybe there will be some big surprises in WCS finals


There "best" couldn't qualify buddy maybe they arnt the "best"?


so if stephano had bombed out of wcs france because of a bad condition or he had a bad day he's not one of the best in EU? that's what happened with WCS KR. some of the best Terrans didn't make it in the qualifiers and some of the other best players forfeited.


I think that there is a high chance of a foreign champion, if we just look at the qualified players -

Nerchio - We all know he can defeat koreans already, we saw it at HSC V and IEM Gamescon
Grubby - We also know that he defeated koreans are other tournaments aswell, and has the potential to beat anyone on a good day (Except Stephano).
BabyKnight - Haven't proven himself as much, but he did beat Keen and Symbol in the FXOpen invitational a little over a month ago.
Lowely - He haven't really beaten koreans, but his level of play could upset some.
VortiX - He have already beaten koreans before and put up good fights against the best players in the world.
Lucifron - Anyone who have seen his play will agree that he is good enough to beat any of the koreans if he keeps on the play his displaying right now.
Stephano - We know he competes with koreans, and WCS Korea was mainly protoss.. and we know StephanovP is imbalanced as the only korean protoss who keeps an even record with him is MC, all the others just fall over.
Vandrad
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany951 Posts
September 16 2012 18:28 GMT
#3708
On September 17 2012 03:27 blug wrote:
I have no idea why terran are saying that zerg are OP. This new mech style that is being adapted by Koreans and passing onto Foreigners is getting out of control.

The APM for it isn't rediculously high either, can be done by a low masters terran.


lol arguing with APM is a bit silly its not really important
And who are you, the proud lord said, that I must bow so low?
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
September 16 2012 18:28 GMT
#3709
I still believe. LucifroN winning the tournament after beating Stephano in two bo3 =D.
Most talented / hard working EU player there is for sure.
WriterMaru
Thinasy
Profile Joined March 2011
2856 Posts
September 16 2012 18:28 GMT
#3710
On September 17 2012 03:27 xrapture wrote:
Lucifron beating a barely 50% winrate random foreign Zerg is not "flawless" or "revolutionizing" play. He still lost to Stephano in a very sloppy series.


Finally
Jaedong & Faker
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
September 16 2012 18:29 GMT
#3711
On September 17 2012 03:27 xrapture wrote:
Lucifron beating a barely 50% winrate random foreign Zerg is not "flawless" or "revolutionizing" play. He still lost to Stephano in a very sloppy series.

You've lost your passion.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
September 16 2012 18:29 GMT
#3712
On September 17 2012 03:27 xrapture wrote:
Lucifron beating a barely 50% winrate random foreign Zerg is not "flawless" or "revolutionizing" play. He still lost to Stephano in a very sloppy series.


Player bashing is quite consistent with you. Shameful.
iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
September 16 2012 18:29 GMT
#3713
On September 17 2012 03:28 Vaftrudner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 03:23 Chenz wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:22 AlternativeEgo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxxajLWwzqY

The pinnacle of Swedish music :/

Don't hate on Swedish music! We've had Jakob Hellman, Atomic Swing, the progg movement, some of the world's best metal with bands like Dissection etc. As long as you ignore the radio hits, most countries have great music to find <3

Don´t forget Roxette! Loved them as a kid.
Legace
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden342 Posts
September 16 2012 18:29 GMT
#3714
On September 17 2012 03:20 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 03:18 WindWolf wrote:
Please Blizzard, let DreamHack host next year's WCS Grand Finals


Don't underestimate the show china can give.


The China national finals(?) had amazing production value to be honest. We'll see, hopefully Blizzard will pull some strings and put on an AMAZING show in Beijing.
Zeborg
Profile Joined November 2010
107 Posts
September 16 2012 18:29 GMT
#3715
On September 17 2012 03:28 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 03:26 Waxangel wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:25 mordk wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:20 Benjamin99 wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:15 mordk wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:12 Asymmetric wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:07 Azarkon wrote:
This level of play is insane coming out of Europe.


It's one hell of a lethal line-up Europe is going to be sending to the world championships.

I think we've got a realistic shot of making life very difficult for the Koreans.

Koreans aren't even going with their best, maybe there will be some big surprises in WCS finals


There "best" couldn't qualify buddy maybe they arnt the "best"?

GSL stats say otherwise, really, between forfeits, scheduling issues and what not, big hitters were out quickly, which sucks. KRs are the most exciting players imo, but this is not their best. For whatever reason KRs in general seem to have placed little importance on WCS.


uhhh the 'best' players competed, and lost D:


one tournament doesn't show who the best is, Creator won WCS Korea and failed to pass his up/down group.


You could say the same about any tournament, including GSL.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
September 16 2012 18:29 GMT
#3716
i've got the poison. i've got the remedy.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
September 16 2012 18:29 GMT
#3717
On September 17 2012 03:27 udgnim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 03:25 mordk wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:20 Benjamin99 wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:15 mordk wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:12 Asymmetric wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:07 Azarkon wrote:
This level of play is insane coming out of Europe.


It's one hell of a lethal line-up Europe is going to be sending to the world championships.

I think we've got a realistic shot of making life very difficult for the Koreans.

Koreans aren't even going with their best, maybe there will be some big surprises in WCS finals


There "best" couldn't qualify buddy maybe they arnt the "best"?

GSL stats say otherwise, really, between forfeits, scheduling issues and what not, big hitters were out quickly, which sucks. KRs are the most exciting players imo, but this is not their best. For whatever reason KRs in general seem to have placed little importance on WCS.


WCS Korea results would have probably been different if they knew the prize $ for WCS Global


absolutely not
The Koreans totally lack tournaments. Only GSL for a long time. Now OSL. The pricepool for WCS Korea alone was significant enough that they all cared very much.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
September 16 2012 18:29 GMT
#3718
On September 17 2012 03:26 iSunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 03:22 WindWolf wrote:
I'm not kidding when I'm saying that if DreamHack keeps improving like they've done over the course of the year, I can think that they can afford to host a WCS Grand Finals in Tele2 Arena

Is that where they´ve hosted the Eurovision Song Contest (I believe it was 2010/2011)?

It's a new soccer arena next to Globen. Will open next summer,
EZ4ENCE
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 16 2012 18:30 GMT
#3719
On September 17 2012 03:28 Hiea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 03:21 Dodgin wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:20 Benjamin99 wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:15 mordk wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:12 Asymmetric wrote:
On September 17 2012 03:07 Azarkon wrote:
This level of play is insane coming out of Europe.


It's one hell of a lethal line-up Europe is going to be sending to the world championships.

I think we've got a realistic shot of making life very difficult for the Koreans.

Koreans aren't even going with their best, maybe there will be some big surprises in WCS finals


There "best" couldn't qualify buddy maybe they arnt the "best"?


so if stephano had bombed out of wcs france because of a bad condition or he had a bad day he's not one of the best in EU? that's what happened with WCS KR. some of the best Terrans didn't make it in the qualifiers and some of the other best players forfeited.


I think that there is a high chance of a foreign champion, if we just look at the qualified players -

Nerchio - We all know he can defeat koreans already, we saw it at HSC V and IEM Gamescon
Grubby - We also know that he defeated koreans are other tournaments aswell, and has the potential to beat anyone on a good day (Except Stephano).
BabyKnight - Haven't proven himself as much, but he did beat Keen and Symbol in the FXOpen invitational a little over a month ago.
Lowely - He haven't really beaten koreans, but his level of play could upset some.
VortiX - He have already beaten koreans before and put up good fights against the best players in the world.
Lucifron - Anyone who have seen his play will agree that he is good enough to beat any of the koreans if he keeps on the play his displaying right now.
Stephano - We know he competes with koreans, and WCS Korea was mainly protoss.. and we know StephanovP is imbalanced as the only korean protoss who keeps an even record with him is MC, all the others just fall over.


Yup I agree, EU has a pretty decent chance to actually win WCS finals especially depending on who gets through from WCS Asia, we may see some more upsets and heavy hitters not make it there.
Thinasy
Profile Joined March 2011
2856 Posts
September 16 2012 18:30 GMT
#3720
On September 17 2012 03:28 Poopi wrote:
I still believe. LucifroN winning the tournament after beating Stephano in two bo3 =D.
Most talented / hard working EU player there is for sure.


Wait what, what are you basing this on? Most of the empire guys are working their asses off, so one good tournament for Lucifron and he's suddenly the most talented and hard working one, sigh
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