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Squeegy
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland1166 Posts
August 16 2012 10:46 GMT
#741
On August 16 2012 19:44 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 19:40 catabowl wrote:
Okay people. All this "Elephant" talk is just plain stupid. It's pretty simple that the KESPA player would do well early.

Their opponents have a ton of games they can research which the opponents do not have the same luxury.

Lets give this a month or so and then you can put up the elephant in the room jokes. Remember when foreigners were beating Koreans in SC2 about a year ago? Yeah, now look at it. Swung back the other way.

I'm so fucking sick of these threads. So disgusting everytime a Kespa player wins the troll baiters come out to play. Just fucking cheer for your players you like without insulting literally every player that people who havnt watched much or any BW have followed for 2 years. It is ridiculously disrespectful. I really hope this goes the way of the USA Stephano chants considering how mods looked at that joke.


The irony is of course that the guys rooting for Kespa are also acknowledging the play by GSL. The GSL fans are saying things like "wow GSL player X plays so bad".
Stan: Dude, dolphins are intelligent and friendly. Cartman: Intelligent and friendly on rye bread with some mayonnaise.
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
August 16 2012 10:46 GMT
#742
On August 16 2012 19:40 catabowl wrote:
Okay people. All this "Elephant" talk is just plain stupid. It's pretty simple that the KESPA player would do well early.

Their opponents have a ton of games they can research which the opponents do not have the same luxury.

Lets give this a month or so and then you can put up the elephant in the room jokes. Remember when foreigners were beating Koreans in SC2 about a year ago? Yeah, now look at it. Swung back the other way.


lol your comparison is totally irrelevant
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
August 16 2012 10:46 GMT
#743
On August 16 2012 19:40 Pasargadae wrote:
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On August 16 2012 19:39 Klogon wrote:
On August 16 2012 19:33 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:
Was very impressive how Effort kept Gumiho at bay with fewer units. Gumiho seemed a lot worse than usual tho. Starting to wonder if the kespa guys win by superior mechanics more than the gom guys losing by mistakes.


I do think people are overstating the mistakes of the GSL players to some degree (I admit some of the mistakes are pretty bad) as when we watch these match ups, I think the players go under a bit more scrutiny than if they were just playing their GSL peers. Kespa has caught up to the standard level of the GOM pros now. Champion level? Probably not, but maybe soon. These guys were disappointing just a month ago, and now they are just total ballers. Kind of nuts.


Are you surprised?


If you asked me 3 months ago, I would say no. But after seeing some disappointing play in SPL, I can say I am indeed surprised at how fast they caught up. I thought something like beating DRG and then Gumiho back to back would happen about 2-3 months from now (basically beginning 2013). Very impressed. These guys are talented.
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
August 16 2012 10:47 GMT
#744
LOL everyone trying to find jaedong
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
August 16 2012 10:47 GMT
#745
go reality!!
IM & EG supporter
Diizzy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States828 Posts
August 16 2012 10:47 GMT
#746
jaedong bring the fangirls to the studio
RubiksCube
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany259 Posts
August 16 2012 10:47 GMT
#747
On August 16 2012 19:44 Grumbels wrote:
All you people making puns about reality, hero and effort, try making one with soulkey to challenge yourself.


Seems like the GOM players lost the sole key to success.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 16 2012 10:47 GMT
#748
On August 16 2012 19:45 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 19:43 bo1b wrote:
On August 16 2012 19:40 Vindicare605 wrote:
On August 16 2012 19:39 bo1b wrote:
On August 16 2012 19:38 Vindicare605 wrote:
You know, TvZ looks more and more like Brood War TvZ every day when I see games like that.

Brood war tvz was a series of early pools? My memories of tvz are slightly different.


I can't tell you how many TvZs ive seen end with the Terran dying because he went for a greedy FE build and the Zerg went for an early build.

You hardly ever saw that in SC2 up until recently, it was a dynamic that's only now become prominent in the metagame. Terrans gotta watch out for that shit, don't just assume every Zerg is gonna 15 hatch you.

It still happens in sc2, just fails most of the time


I know, because only recently has it become more common for Terrans to go for 1 rax expands before second depot or CC first builds in the match up. Prior to the queen change, nearly every Terran opening involved an early wall off, which is why 15 hatching became so dominant.

With the shift in the metagame to more greedy openings from terrans and the Zerg counter of early pool builds, the early game TvZ in SC2 now more closely resembles the one from BW.

Remember that 6 pool vs mkps 14 cc?
8mmspikes
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1704 Posts
August 16 2012 10:47 GMT
#749
On August 16 2012 19:47 RubiksCube wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 19:44 Grumbels wrote:
All you people making puns about reality, hero and effort, try making one with soulkey to challenge yourself.


Seems like the GOM players lost the sole key to success.

gg wp.
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Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
August 16 2012 10:48 GMT
#750
On August 16 2012 19:47 RubiksCube wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 19:44 Grumbels wrote:
All you people making puns about reality, hero and effort, try making one with soulkey to challenge yourself.


Seems like the GOM players lost the sole key to success.


*slow clap*
CrayonPopChoa
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada761 Posts
August 16 2012 10:48 GMT
#751
On August 16 2012 19:40 catabowl wrote:
Okay people. All this "Elephant" talk is just plain stupid. It's pretty simple that the KESPA player would do well early.

Their opponents have a ton of games they can research which the opponents do not have the same luxury.

Lets give this a month or so and then you can put up the elephant in the room jokes. Remember when foreigners were beating Koreans in SC2 about a year ago? Yeah, now look at it. Swung back the other way.



Umm thats not the reason we knew they would do well. When SC2 came out all those that couldnt cut it in BW switched over and one A-team called MVP. Those that switched over have been able to dominate the scene. So obviously skill sets transferred over for the most part. So once the switch was announced just based on who was on top in SC2, made it pretty clear that the best BW players will eventually be on top in SC2. The only question is how long, how much practice it is going to take until they figure out the game because once they do their superior multitasking and the speed at which they think their way through games will carry them to the top, just like in BW.
BW4LIFE
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 16 2012 10:48 GMT
#752
http://leveltory.com/14671

Prelims have been announced for 5 & 6th September!

Masters 1200+ points can participate - and KeSPA players are participating!

Registration opens August 24th to 27th
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 16 2012 10:48 GMT
#753
On August 16 2012 19:41 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 19:37 thousand wrote:
So what is the GSL vs KeSPA score right now?

Curious 2-0 Sun
aLive 2-0 Jaedong
Gumiho 2-0 Soulkey
HerO 2-0 Effort
Puzzle 2-1 HerO[jOin]
Yugioh 0-2 Reality
Hack 1-2 RorO
Puzzle 2-1 Reality
Leenock 1-2 RorO
Horror 1-2 Sun
sC 1-2 Jaedong
CoCa 0-2 Soulkey
DRG 1-2 Effort
Yugioh 0-2 HerO[jOin]
Tails 1-2 HerO[jOin]
Gumiho 0-2 Effort

GSL 18-22 KeSPA
Kespa players also defeated in the preliminaries:

Nestea, Symbol, Bomber, Jjakji, Tassadar, Inca in PvP, Terius, Brown etc
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
August 16 2012 10:48 GMT
#754
On August 16 2012 19:47 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 19:45 Vindicare605 wrote:
On August 16 2012 19:43 bo1b wrote:
On August 16 2012 19:40 Vindicare605 wrote:
On August 16 2012 19:39 bo1b wrote:
On August 16 2012 19:38 Vindicare605 wrote:
You know, TvZ looks more and more like Brood War TvZ every day when I see games like that.

Brood war tvz was a series of early pools? My memories of tvz are slightly different.


I can't tell you how many TvZs ive seen end with the Terran dying because he went for a greedy FE build and the Zerg went for an early build.

You hardly ever saw that in SC2 up until recently, it was a dynamic that's only now become prominent in the metagame. Terrans gotta watch out for that shit, don't just assume every Zerg is gonna 15 hatch you.

It still happens in sc2, just fails most of the time


I know, because only recently has it become more common for Terrans to go for 1 rax expands before second depot or CC first builds in the match up. Prior to the queen change, nearly every Terran opening involved an early wall off, which is why 15 hatching became so dominant.

With the shift in the metagame to more greedy openings from terrans and the Zerg counter of early pool builds, the early game TvZ in SC2 now more closely resembles the one from BW.

Remember that 6 pool vs mkps 14 cc?


Of course I do.

Apparently you counter it by floating to the 4th base of your opponent and make a bunker there.

Again though, that only happened like two weeks ago.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
August 16 2012 10:48 GMT
#755
On August 16 2012 19:46 AxionSteel wrote:
If anyone doesn't fail miserably and crumble under the pressure it will be the stonefaced Happy.


Someone didn't see his match vs Tails..
Dakure
Profile Joined February 2011
United States513 Posts
August 16 2012 10:48 GMT
#756
On August 16 2012 19:41 regizer239 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 19:40 catabowl wrote:
Okay people. All this "Elephant" talk is just plain stupid. It's pretty simple that the KESPA player would do well early.

Their opponents have a ton of games they can research which the opponents do not have the same luxury.

Lets give this a month or so and then you can put up the elephant in the room jokes. Remember when foreigners were beating Koreans in SC2 about a year ago? Yeah, now look at it. Swung back the other way.


I don't think you understand who Kespa players are

Foreigners of a year ago = GOM players of now.
Koreans of a year ago = Kespa players of now.

So yeah sure, let's give it a month or two.
Art.FeeL
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1163 Posts
August 16 2012 10:48 GMT
#757
On August 16 2012 19:46 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 19:43 BackSideAttack wrote:
On August 16 2012 19:42 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 16 2012 19:40 catabowl wrote:
Okay people. All this "Elephant" talk is just plain stupid. It's pretty simple that the KESPA player would do well early.

Their opponents have a ton of games they can research which the opponents do not have the same luxury.

Lets give this a month or so and then you can put up the elephant in the room jokes. Remember when foreigners were beating Koreans in SC2 about a year ago? Yeah, now look at it. Swung back the other way.


I don't recall anytime foreigners beating Koreans consistantly.


Cuz the Kespa players have better mechanics than the GSL players, whereas the foreigners have worse mechanics than GSL players. Just look at how Hero held that 4 gate by tails.

I really hate it when people simplify Kespa players as being better simply because of mechanics.


Did he even say that they are better ''simply because'' of mechanics? He just emphasized it, but nowhere did he say that was the only reason
I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work the luckier I am.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
August 16 2012 10:49 GMT
#758
On August 16 2012 19:48 opterown wrote:
http://leveltory.com/14671

Prelims have been announced for 5 & 6th September!

Masters 1200+ points can participate - and KeSPA players are participating!

Registration opens August 24th to 27th


YES

OH GOD YES

Poor yongwha probably not going to qualify again
kaokentake
Profile Joined July 2012
383 Posts
August 16 2012 10:49 GMT
#759
jaedong v genius is the ultimate elephant test

calling it now there should be 0% chance of jaedong winning this one. genius was DRGs practice partner during DRG's god period and is a beta veteran who isnt slumping

jaedong has a ZERO PERCENT CHANCE

incoming dead elephant!!!
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
August 16 2012 10:49 GMT
#760
Bw players are doing really well in this wcs tournaments . Which is a good thing for me ^_^.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
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