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Did Husky just say that Marine-Marauder is uncommon in TvZ?
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On August 14 2012 06:39 Supter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 06:35 TheDwf wrote:On August 14 2012 06:31 Supter wrote:On August 14 2012 06:27 TheDwf wrote:On August 14 2012 06:26 PartyBiscuit wrote:On August 14 2012 06:04 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On August 14 2012 06:01 Supter wrote:
Ok. no more TSL for me. I don't see the point in a TSL without foreigner in it. If i just wanted to watch koreans, i would watch the GSL or WCS Korea.
Too bad. I don't understand this mentality. I don't understand how it's difficult to understand. Not to be a prick and I do like to pop into LRs once in a blue moon to comment, but there is basically no story, no underdogs, no climactic anything. Hack and almost all these koreans do not have a ton of personality (regardless of anyone's justifications to subjectivity), they are all Code B to low Code S players that are almost all recyclable. Granted, most of the foreigners in TSL are of the same quality in the EU scene, at the very least we could have rooted for an underdog. Now at best we'll have JR (who I wouldn't mind to be honest) or Major (aka always one train wreck away from something). I haven't watched any of the TSL matches because I didn't find anything here for me, but I just wanted to address the terrible point people make of 1. Not wanting to watch because of no foreigners OR 2) Not understanding why. It's not always about saying, 'ok, based on our system, we have the highest pool of talent', it's also about making it entertaining and by human nature, rarely is something worth watching unless there is also a back story. It should be noted that TSL doesn't have the "best" talent anyway as the majority of Code S players did not even bother to make more than a couple or any qualifying attempts, which is why placing a few invites (for the draw) ALONG with qualifiers (for the skill and newcomers) is what made TSL3 so great. Nice way to despise people simply because they're Korean. Yeah. So What ? We don't have the same access to their culture that we have to others. How could we know them as much as foreigners ? Are you going to blame us because we don't cheer for people we don't know against people we know and like ? I don't care about who you cheer for and why. But stating that “they do not have a ton of personality” and that they “are almost all recyclable” is very disdainful. Besides, how can you say that if you precisely don't know them? Someone else said that.
I know, this was a generic “you”.
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On August 14 2012 06:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 06:35 Fusilero wrote:
My dog just came into my room and I'm watching with speakers, whenever apollo speaks he starts wagging his tail and whenever husky talks he starts growling. Just felt like sharing that lol. That means your dog is probably really really good at Starcraft ^^
Or he might be attracted to men. Nothing wrong with that.
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On August 14 2012 06:41 Shantastic wrote:
Did Husky just say that Marine-Marauder is uncommon in TvZ?
Pure bio is pretty uncommon. It's usually marine tank.
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On August 14 2012 06:41 Shantastic wrote:
Did Husky just say that Marine-Marauder is uncommon in TvZ?
Well, pure marine/tank is far more common.
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On August 14 2012 06:38 Porcelina wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 06:31 Supter wrote:On August 14 2012 06:27 TheDwf wrote:On August 14 2012 06:26 PartyBiscuit wrote:On August 14 2012 06:04 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On August 14 2012 06:01 Supter wrote:
Ok. no more TSL for me. I don't see the point in a TSL without foreigner in it. If i just wanted to watch koreans, i would watch the GSL or WCS Korea.
Too bad. I don't understand this mentality. I don't understand how it's difficult to understand. Not to be a prick and I do like to pop into LRs once in a blue moon to comment, but there is basically no story, no underdogs, no climactic anything. Hack and almost all these koreans do not have a ton of personality (regardless of anyone's justifications to subjectivity), they are all Code B to low Code S players that are almost all recyclable. Granted, most of the foreigners in TSL are of the same quality in the EU scene, at the very least we could have rooted for an underdog. Now at best we'll have JR (who I wouldn't mind to be honest) or Major (aka always one train wreck away from something). I haven't watched any of the TSL matches because I didn't find anything here for me, but I just wanted to address the terrible point people make of 1. Not wanting to watch because of no foreigners OR 2) Not understanding why. It's not always about saying, 'ok, based on our system, we have the highest pool of talent', it's also about making it entertaining and by human nature, rarely is something worth watching unless there is also a back story. It should be noted that TSL doesn't have the "best" talent anyway as the majority of Code S players did not even bother to make more than a couple or any qualifying attempts, which is why placing a few invites (for the draw) ALONG with qualifiers (for the skill and newcomers) is what made TSL3 so great. Nice way to despise people simply because they're Korean. Yeah. So What ? We don't have the same access to their culture that we have to others. How could we know them as much as foreigners ? Are you going to blame us because we don't cheer for people we don't know against people we know and like ? Calling people of a culture you do not follow 'recyclable' might garner you a little bit of criticism. Telling others who know these players, have followed them and like them that '[they] do not have a ton of personality' might also. Or just be factually incorrect. Saying that we cannot know them as much as foreigners when at least a few of TL posters see them more regularly in tournaments, read more interviews with them and generally can follow them more closely because they are involved with more than strictly online tournaments on an ongoing basis might also be completely wrong. And I do not think anyone really blames you for feeling the way you do. Some might say you are wrong. Certainly some of the facts you try to bring are wrong. Most would just say that whining in live report threads, be it about balance or nationality, is tiresome and it should have no place here.
For the most part of what you're talking about : i didn't say that. We are far from koreans players, so it's not as easy to follow them. It would ask me to make efforts that i don't want to make, because i just want to watch games. I just said that i was done with TSL, not that this was a bad tournament and that you should feel bad watching it. I, ME, MY, PERSONNALLY, just think that all the fun i could have is over. I won't watch korean players fight in an online tournament when i can see them in the GSL, or in the WCS (they care more about it that about TSL).
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On August 14 2012 06:42 Kevan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 06:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 14 2012 06:35 Fusilero wrote:
My dog just came into my room and I'm watching with speakers, whenever apollo speaks he starts wagging his tail and whenever husky talks he starts growling. Just felt like sharing that lol. That means your dog is probably really really good at Starcraft ^^ Or he might be attracted to men. Nothing wrong with that.
Hey, I think you'd have problems if you couldn't be attracted to Apollo's voice. His casting voice <3
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I actually know way more about Korean players on average than I do about foreigners because I make an effort to read their interviews and social media and follow what they do.
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On August 14 2012 06:36 Vapaach wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 06:27 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 14 2012 06:26 Vapaach wrote:
The remaining player pool looks boring to me. I have nothing against koreans, but there are no interesting koreans (MC, MVP, Taeja, Squirtle, MKP, Losira, Nestea, Parting, DRG) left or they didn't even compete in tsl4 in the first place. Now I have no-one to root for in the top 8. I guess I'll just go for whoever foreigner is left just because of the upset factor ^^
Koreans can't get to BE interesting if they don't get exposure, i.e in tournaments like this. Plus the qualification was meritocratic, with a few invites to former champions. I mean how many people were fans of Seed before his recent upsurge in form? You are right. I guess it is hard for me, and apparently for many others to find something.. likeable from many koreans. For example look at Alive. He won the freaking IPL4 and still has way less fans than the average EU/NA player. I can't say why this is though, and quite frankly I am puzzled by it. I guess koreans are generally more stoic than foreigners and their playstyle is more defined, creating less variance (and thus creating less things that stand out). I think there needs to be more Bitbybits in the scene :> Actually Creator is in the bracket still so I am definitely rooting for him. He has a cool, crisp playstyle.
He's almost too turtly for my liking, prefer the likes of Hero. However I do steal all his builds, guy's damn good
I get why the likes of Grubby, with informative commentary and entertaining feats of micro are more popular than the likes of Alive, but no idea why people who don't commentate, and show play about 75% as good get many times the viewers. Actually was watching Alive's stream, my dormant desire to play Terran is back :p
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very close game. reco needs to set up broods.
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major is overstimming the hell out of his rines.
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On August 14 2012 06:42 Dodgin wrote:
I actually know way more about Korean players on average than I do about foreigners because I make an effort to read their interviews and social media and follow what they do.
"An effort".
When you just want to watch games, you won't make any effort. It's not a job.
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Major letting JRecco equalize by throwing away all his tech units.
How sweet of him!
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the english and the scottish should join forces for their national football team so they can finally win stuff again
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On August 14 2012 06:42 Supter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 06:38 Porcelina wrote:On August 14 2012 06:31 Supter wrote:On August 14 2012 06:27 TheDwf wrote:On August 14 2012 06:26 PartyBiscuit wrote:On August 14 2012 06:04 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On August 14 2012 06:01 Supter wrote:
Ok. no more TSL for me. I don't see the point in a TSL without foreigner in it. If i just wanted to watch koreans, i would watch the GSL or WCS Korea.
Too bad. I don't understand this mentality. I don't understand how it's difficult to understand. Not to be a prick and I do like to pop into LRs once in a blue moon to comment, but there is basically no story, no underdogs, no climactic anything. Hack and almost all these koreans do not have a ton of personality (regardless of anyone's justifications to subjectivity), they are all Code B to low Code S players that are almost all recyclable. Granted, most of the foreigners in TSL are of the same quality in the EU scene, at the very least we could have rooted for an underdog. Now at best we'll have JR (who I wouldn't mind to be honest) or Major (aka always one train wreck away from something). I haven't watched any of the TSL matches because I didn't find anything here for me, but I just wanted to address the terrible point people make of 1. Not wanting to watch because of no foreigners OR 2) Not understanding why. It's not always about saying, 'ok, based on our system, we have the highest pool of talent', it's also about making it entertaining and by human nature, rarely is something worth watching unless there is also a back story. It should be noted that TSL doesn't have the "best" talent anyway as the majority of Code S players did not even bother to make more than a couple or any qualifying attempts, which is why placing a few invites (for the draw) ALONG with qualifiers (for the skill and newcomers) is what made TSL3 so great. Nice way to despise people simply because they're Korean. Yeah. So What ? We don't have the same access to their culture that we have to others. How could we know them as much as foreigners ? Are you going to blame us because we don't cheer for people we don't know against people we know and like ? Calling people of a culture you do not follow 'recyclable' might garner you a little bit of criticism. Telling others who know these players, have followed them and like them that '[they] do not have a ton of personality' might also. Or just be factually incorrect. Saying that we cannot know them as much as foreigners when at least a few of TL posters see them more regularly in tournaments, read more interviews with them and generally can follow them more closely because they are involved with more than strictly online tournaments on an ongoing basis might also be completely wrong. And I do not think anyone really blames you for feeling the way you do. Some might say you are wrong. Certainly some of the facts you try to bring are wrong. Most would just say that whining in live report threads, be it about balance or nationality, is tiresome and it should have no place here. For the most part of what you're talking about : i didn't say that. We are far from koreans players, so it's not as easy to follow them. It would ask me to make efforts that i don't want to make, because i just want to watch games. I just said that i was done with TSL, not that this was a bad tournament and that you should feel bad watching it. I, ME, MY, PERSONNALLY, just think that all the fun i could have is over. I won't watch korean players fight in an online tournament when i can see them in the GSL, or in the WCS (they care more about it that about TSL).
This makes no sense. You'll watch them at the GSL but not at TSL, which is on at a much better time.
At any rate, go watch Ziktomini vs Vera Lynn or something, this discussion is getting really old.
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On August 14 2012 06:43 Supter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 06:42 Dodgin wrote:
I actually know way more about Korean players on average than I do about foreigners because I make an effort to read their interviews and social media and follow what they do. "An effort". When you just want to watch games, you won't make any effort. It's not a job.
enjoy bad games and don't complain so.
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On August 14 2012 06:43 Supter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 06:42 Dodgin wrote:
I actually know way more about Korean players on average than I do about foreigners because I make an effort to read their interviews and social media and follow what they do. "An effort". When you just want to watch games, you won't make any effort. It's not a job.
When you just watch the games you don't get to know anything about Foreigners either, unless it's Idra since he likes to use the chat to vent his frustration.
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On August 14 2012 06:39 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 06:37 Fusilero wrote:On August 14 2012 06:36 sAsImre wrote:On August 14 2012 06:36 Qikz wrote:On August 14 2012 06:29 Eufouria wrote:On August 14 2012 06:27 Isaac wrote:
is jrecco scottish or uk? Right now he's English. We'll see how the other games go  Haha amazing. Nobody outside of the UK will get this. :p there was a cool pic with the explanation for ignorants :D To explain the joke to those not from the UK it refers the Andy Murray when he became a favourite on the tennis scene, people in Britain started to say "If he wins he's British if he loses he's Scottish". and did Mr. Murray take the joke with good humor as well, or was a part of the scottish pride hurt? Really curious, nice story.
Murray knows not to joke with the British media after the shitstorm that was unleashed when he joked that he wanted 'anyone but England' to win the world cup.
That was more like it Major, nice target fire on the baneling there after the botch he made of that hellion targetting earlier
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Please stop talking about units lost, talk about income and production ffs.
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