On August 08 2012 19:50 Shkudde wrote: Dat elephant The Kespa-guys really need to do some catching up quick, this is getting a bit silly. Only Soulkey yesterday was on par with expectations.
Several other player has been doing well, already having beat GSL players as well and they are still playing 2 games at the same time in PL.
The point about PL is very valid, forgot about that. That monstrosity really should be put out of its misery :/
On August 08 2012 19:36 Nawe wrote: DO Kespa guys still play both games? If not, they are progressing really bad
It's probably like 10% BW and 90% sc2. And "really bad" is a pretty laughable statement after watching their first series against Code S level players.
Sorry but except JaeDong and Soulkey every one got stomped really hard. Moon for example played both games until january and maganed to get into GSL and beat Code S players from time to time. Thats why I said like that.
Jaedong didn't get stomped? What? He put up a decent fight in game one, but game two wasn't even close iirc.
On August 08 2012 19:52 tootatis wrote: Not sure what effort was supposed to do once Hero took his fast 3rd.
As Zerg you can't punish him easily for taking it, since the FFs will delay an attack long enough to be able to push it back unless you go all-in. So, you have to play greedily like he did otherwise Hero will destroy him just before Blords come out with a maxed 3/3 army o death. Just feels weird that a Protoss can take a greedy fast 3rd and then their opponent is still expected to be ready for a large enough attack to kill them.
Or maybe Hero is better than his opponent. Really, that's not even remotely unpunishable and there are certain limits to zerg greed while still keeping them even. Broodlord/infestor is good.
On August 08 2012 19:49 Skelith wrote: full KeSPA instead of foreigner
ouch
that elephant in the room article is getting burned
It's sad actually. If that article never came out this elephant nonsense would never had started and more people would have rooted for the kespa players to get better faster.
On August 08 2012 19:49 Skelith wrote: full KeSPA instead of foreigner
What would happen if KeSPA vs foreigner?
Well if Kespa went against a full foreigner Kespa would win easily, but thats because full foreigner is the worst kind of fuck up imaginable and people overuse it, If Kespa just went up against a standard top end Foriegner, I think foreigners would take it pretty easily.
On August 08 2012 19:47 Savant.GL wrote: Before anyone comments I am a zerg here.
I do not believe this tournament states anything about zerg balance.
Firstly there has only been 6 ZvX matchups where X is not zerg so the data set isn't exactly large.
Look at the relative strengths between the two players in the zerg matchups. curious won his match against a kespa player. soulkey and jaedong whilst obviously great at BW are still new to SC2 and played gumiho and alive, 2 top quality terrans. coca played seed, the GSL champion effort will likely lose but again he is a kespa player and hero is phenomenal.
and DRG - creator. you would expect DRG to win but if you watched the games he did not play like a GSL champion and was quite sloppy in lots of areas, this is not due to 'balance'.
None of these games have any reflection on balance.
TLDR - 6 games with Large skill differentials between players and a sloppy DRG are not indicators of balance
Anyone who uses one single tournament as an indicator of balance shouldn't be allowed to use a keyboard. If anything, this is just further evidence that players win games, not races.
This Kespa - GSL rivalry has made my interest in SC2 increase, so I am hoping for a Reality win. I am also not even a huge BW fan at all. I just find this awesome seeing the Kespa players switch over and hopefully watching a few of them become awesome.
On August 08 2012 19:52 tootatis wrote: Not sure what effort was supposed to do once Hero took his fast 3rd.
As Zerg you can't punish him easily for taking it, since the FFs will delay an attack long enough to be able to push it back unless you go all-in. So, you have to play greedily like he did otherwise Hero will destroy him just before Blords come out with a maxed 3/3 army o death. Just feels weird that a Protoss can take a greedy fast 3rd and then their opponent is still expected to be ready for a large enough attack to kill them.
Or maybe Hero is better than his opponent. Really, that's not even remotely unpunishable and there are certain limits to zerg greed while still keeping them even. Broodlord/infestor is good.
No doubt that Hero was the better player, I'm talking more generally in this case. Assuming the players are of even skill how do you punish that without going all-in? Seems quite easy to hold on that map.
It's probably as simple as Effort having to make a mix of units and workers.