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On August 09 2012 06:47 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 06:03 fasdaf wrote:On August 09 2012 03:09 Sandermatt wrote:On August 09 2012 02:53 Dranak wrote:On August 09 2012 02:43 fraktoasters wrote:On August 09 2012 02:35 Dranak wrote:On August 09 2012 02:28 Whatson wrote:On August 09 2012 02:25 ]343[ wrote:
Huh, I think people are failing to recall how much lower the skill level was when the article was written... Did the writer of the article really not put into consideration the potential for the SC2 players to get better...it's not like they wouldn't improve. I think the intent was to comment on what was the current state of SC2 play at that time. The article doesn't really talk about the future beyond "If Kespa players all change over NOW..." I'm not sure what you're quoting. "I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment" I worded that poorly, as it was not a quote. I was just highlighting that the article doesn't say anything about the future, just (what was) the present. Even at the time this article was written it wasn't true. The article argues, that because the SC2 players had bad performances in BW (which they played until 2010), the players with better performances in BW would also be much better in SC2. Reality is a player with little/nothing to show until the release of SC2 (4 games all lost). Now he does really well in SC2. He is basically what any of the GSL players could have been if he stayed with Kespa and only now switched over. Some players have been bad at BW and good at SC2, some bad at both, some good at both and some were good at BW and are bad at SC2. GSL players will not continue to dominate the Kespa players forever, but the Kespa players will not dominate the GSL players either. What? I have no idea why you think  Reality had little/nothing to show until the release of SC2. Take a look at his TLPD page. He's qualified for individual leagues before, and was an A-teamer and regular in SPL, which is a very different situation from that of most GSL players. This is the source I used. I only found 4 games up to the date of the SC2 release. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=712&part=games&vs=all&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2009&from_month=4&from_day=2&to_year=2010&to_month=7&to_day=27&action=Update
Oh okay, so apparently he really didn't start getting sent out for SPL until after SC2 was released. However, those are only broadcasted games, and so don't include the offline preliminaries for Starleagues. Note he qualifed for the 2009 EVER OSL by defeating Reach 2-1, Rush 2-0, and free 2-0, when free was a heavy favorite to advance. My point about qualifying for individual leagues still stands, as that was still beyond the capabilities of most of the GSL players when they switched to SC2.
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On August 09 2012 12:34 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 12:32 Severedevil wrote:On August 09 2012 12:28 Azzur wrote:
BW should've been able to stand on it's own feet. It did. Not anymore clearly which sucks but that's the case. No one single element killed it in Korea though.
I'm sorry, but if you know nothing about a subject, don't try to debate it. It's clearly been stated that OSL and MSL and PL had the rights to broadcast Starcraft DENIED to them by Blizzard. Do you not understand this concept? They could not continue because Blizzard took away their rights to use SC. Blizzard shut down SC. Why do you think there was a rash of lawsuits and counter-lawsuits?
The companies brokered a deal behind closed doors once it became obvious to the lawyers of Kespa that they would not win this battle over IP rights. The deal was that they would get the rights to broadcast SC for another season, as a sort of hybrid BW-SC2 league, to salvage as much of the BW fanbase as possible, and then it would be permanently shut down in the move-over to SC2.
Only a completely ignorant person on the topic would say Blizzard and SC2 were not the direct cause of BW's demise.
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SC 2 did kill BW esports outside of Korea, but then it was never that alive to begin with. The curse of esports in the West is that the money goes where the newest games are. Nothing endures.
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On August 09 2012 12:47 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 12:34 mrtomjones wrote:On August 09 2012 12:32 Severedevil wrote:On August 09 2012 12:28 Azzur wrote:
BW should've been able to stand on it's own feet. It did. Not anymore clearly which sucks but that's the case. No one single element killed it in Korea though. I'm sorry, but if you know nothing about a subject, don't try to debate it. It's clearly been stated that OSL and MSL and PL had the rights to broadcast Starcraft DENIED to them by Blizzard. Do you not understand this concept? They could not continue because Blizzard took away their rights to use SC. Blizzard shut down SC. Why do you think there was a rash of lawsuits and counter-lawsuits? The companies brokered a deal behind closed doors once it became obvious to the lawyers of Kespa that they would not win this battle over IP rights. The deal was that they would get the rights to broadcast SC for another season, as a sort of hybrid BW-SC2 league, to salvage as much of the BW fanbase as possible, and then it would be permanently shut down in the move-over to SC2. Only a completely ignorant person on the topic would say Blizzard and SC2 were not the direct cause of BW's demise.
It is still a speculation. No one knows the truth and people have different interpretation of the event that happened.
I would say that it is actually Blizzard that saw no chance to win in the court battle because the case was handled in Korea and Blizzard's claim is too much, while KesPA did not want to pursue the case further because it would further bring in more instability to the scene. So they strike a deal that Blizzard would let OGN/MBC broadcasted BW as long as they pay the royalty fee.
However, due to the sponsors situation (which partly due to the lawsuit battle but it's not the sole reason) that would not want to sponsor BW that much anymore (as can be seen by internal sponsorship for several seasons, not counting one from Korean Air subsidary), KesPA had to decided whether they want to move on to SC2 or disbands the team in the future. They chose the latter so they have to strike a deal with Blizzard about the Hybrid league.
So I would say SC2 is one of the cause, but not the only one and not really the direct one. Changing in trend, as one generation moves up and being replaced by another is more likely explanation. Especially, when someone (I think OptimusYale, who is a teacher in Korean school) said that the younger generation is all about newer games (SC2), while the older generation is all about BW.
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On August 09 2012 11:14 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 06:05 Elroi wrote:On August 09 2012 03:43 ShiroKaisen wrote:On August 09 2012 03:26 Dranak wrote:On August 09 2012 03:04 nokz88 wrote:On August 09 2012 02:35 Dranak wrote:On August 09 2012 02:28 Whatson wrote:On August 09 2012 02:25 ]343[ wrote:
Huh, I think people are failing to recall how much lower the skill level was when the article was written... Did the writer of the article really not put into consideration the potential for the SC2 players to get better...it's not like they wouldn't improve. I think the intent was to comment on what was the current state of SC2 play at that time. The article doesn't really talk about the future beyond "If Kespa players all change over NOW..." The intent was to question the skill (then or potential) of then-best SC2 players, and thus the validity of a scene dominated by them. By showing their awful records in BW, it downplays the players themselves, not their current skill or whatever, not accounting for that they are now in a whole 'nother ballpark. It's a huge middle finger for SC2. It's the rallying point for BW elitists. It's a shame that more than a year after that piece of crap was written, people still are waiting for the things it predicted, like Christians waiting for the judgement day, to shove their disdain in SC2 fans' faces. Of course it was a huge middle finger to the entire SC2 scene. It was also unnecessarily inflammatory and condescending, and pretty surprising to be published as a feature article. It's also been disproved by every BW player that changed over after the article was written, and continues to be disproved now in WCS, WCG, and every other tournament Kespa players go against GSL players. The problem with claiming it was "disproved" is that every KeSPA player who's switched so far hasn't remained on a KeSPA team. The KeSPA pro-house environment and practice and coaching is so far above even what the eSF teams do. fOrGG practicing alone or in the oGs house is a Code S player. fOrGG practicing in the KT Rolster house is an MSL champion. In the Hwaseung OZ house yo. The problem for the current sc2 guys is that a bunch of people (like 15-20 guys) who were way better than MVP and zergbong at every aspect of a very similar game (multi tasking, making build orders, micro, macro, game sens...) are going to swich over. After hots, I don't see any GSL players among top 10 anymore, maybe among top 20. Flash called Nestea a strategic genius or somesuch. Perhaps you should reconsider your thoughts on these players.
That was Flash being polite, no offence. If Nestea was so good, he would've been up there with sAviOr, who also did not have the mechanics, with his lousy 200-250 APM.
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On August 09 2012 13:11 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 12:47 StorkHwaiting wrote:On August 09 2012 12:34 mrtomjones wrote:On August 09 2012 12:32 Severedevil wrote:On August 09 2012 12:28 Azzur wrote:
BW should've been able to stand on it's own feet. It did. Not anymore clearly which sucks but that's the case. No one single element killed it in Korea though. I'm sorry, but if you know nothing about a subject, don't try to debate it. It's clearly been stated that OSL and MSL and PL had the rights to broadcast Starcraft DENIED to them by Blizzard. Do you not understand this concept? They could not continue because Blizzard took away their rights to use SC. Blizzard shut down SC. Why do you think there was a rash of lawsuits and counter-lawsuits? The companies brokered a deal behind closed doors once it became obvious to the lawyers of Kespa that they would not win this battle over IP rights. The deal was that they would get the rights to broadcast SC for another season, as a sort of hybrid BW-SC2 league, to salvage as much of the BW fanbase as possible, and then it would be permanently shut down in the move-over to SC2. Only a completely ignorant person on the topic would say Blizzard and SC2 were not the direct cause of BW's demise. It is still a speculation. No one knows the truth and people have different interpretation of the event that happened. I would say that it is actually Blizzard that saw no chance to win in the court battle because the case was handled in Korea and Blizzard's claim is too much, while KesPA did not want to pursue the case further because it would further bring in more instability to the scene. So they strike a deal that Blizzard would let OGN/MBC broadcasted BW as long as they pay the royalty fee. However, due to the sponsors situation (which partly due to the lawsuit battle but it's not the sole reason) that would not want to sponsor BW that much anymore (as can be seen by internal sponsorship for several seasons, not counting one from Korean Air subsidary), KesPA had to decided whether they want to move on to SC2 or disbands the team in the future. They chose the latter so they have to strike a deal with Blizzard about the Hybrid league. So I would say SC2 is one of the cause, but not the only one and not really the direct one. Changing in trend, as one generation moves up and being replaced by another is more likely explanation. Especially, when someone (I think OptimusYale, who is a teacher in Korean school) said that the younger generation is all about newer games (SC2), while the older generation is all about BW.
Internal sponsorship for several seasons? That's a major exaggeration. If we go back through last 4 years of sponsors for OSL/MSL I don't think the majority are in-house sponsors. And PL was sponsored by Shinhan Bank throughout, not an in-house sponsor, so I don't get where you're coming up with this theory.
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On August 09 2012 14:06 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 13:11 Veldril wrote:On August 09 2012 12:47 StorkHwaiting wrote:On August 09 2012 12:34 mrtomjones wrote:On August 09 2012 12:32 Severedevil wrote:On August 09 2012 12:28 Azzur wrote:
BW should've been able to stand on it's own feet. It did. Not anymore clearly which sucks but that's the case. No one single element killed it in Korea though. I'm sorry, but if you know nothing about a subject, don't try to debate it. It's clearly been stated that OSL and MSL and PL had the rights to broadcast Starcraft DENIED to them by Blizzard. Do you not understand this concept? They could not continue because Blizzard took away their rights to use SC. Blizzard shut down SC. Why do you think there was a rash of lawsuits and counter-lawsuits? The companies brokered a deal behind closed doors once it became obvious to the lawyers of Kespa that they would not win this battle over IP rights. The deal was that they would get the rights to broadcast SC for another season, as a sort of hybrid BW-SC2 league, to salvage as much of the BW fanbase as possible, and then it would be permanently shut down in the move-over to SC2. Only a completely ignorant person on the topic would say Blizzard and SC2 were not the direct cause of BW's demise. It is still a speculation. No one knows the truth and people have different interpretation of the event that happened. I would say that it is actually Blizzard that saw no chance to win in the court battle because the case was handled in Korea and Blizzard's claim is too much, while KesPA did not want to pursue the case further because it would further bring in more instability to the scene. So they strike a deal that Blizzard would let OGN/MBC broadcasted BW as long as they pay the royalty fee. However, due to the sponsors situation (which partly due to the lawsuit battle but it's not the sole reason) that would not want to sponsor BW that much anymore (as can be seen by internal sponsorship for several seasons, not counting one from Korean Air subsidary), KesPA had to decided whether they want to move on to SC2 or disbands the team in the future. They chose the latter so they have to strike a deal with Blizzard about the Hybrid league. So I would say SC2 is one of the cause, but not the only one and not really the direct one. Changing in trend, as one generation moves up and being replaced by another is more likely explanation. Especially, when someone (I think OptimusYale, who is a teacher in Korean school) said that the younger generation is all about newer games (SC2), while the older generation is all about BW. Internal sponsorship for several seasons? That's a major exaggeration. If we go back through last 4 years of sponsors for OSL/MSL I don't think the majority are in-house sponsors. And PL was sponsored by Shinhan Bank throughout, not an in-house sponsor, so I don't get where you're coming up with this theory.
Well, several is kinda my bad wording, I apologize. Saying a last couple of 1-2 season should be more accurate (I'm not sure about JinAir so I would leave it at that). But 2 SK Planet and Tving are internal for sure. Still, my point is that the lose of major sposorship set the alarm for KesPA that made them decided the switch.
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On August 09 2012 13:37 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:14 mrtomjones wrote:On August 09 2012 06:05 Elroi wrote:On August 09 2012 03:43 ShiroKaisen wrote:On August 09 2012 03:26 Dranak wrote:On August 09 2012 03:04 nokz88 wrote:On August 09 2012 02:35 Dranak wrote:On August 09 2012 02:28 Whatson wrote:On August 09 2012 02:25 ]343[ wrote:
Huh, I think people are failing to recall how much lower the skill level was when the article was written... Did the writer of the article really not put into consideration the potential for the SC2 players to get better...it's not like they wouldn't improve. I think the intent was to comment on what was the current state of SC2 play at that time. The article doesn't really talk about the future beyond "If Kespa players all change over NOW..." The intent was to question the skill (then or potential) of then-best SC2 players, and thus the validity of a scene dominated by them. By showing their awful records in BW, it downplays the players themselves, not their current skill or whatever, not accounting for that they are now in a whole 'nother ballpark. It's a huge middle finger for SC2. It's the rallying point for BW elitists. It's a shame that more than a year after that piece of crap was written, people still are waiting for the things it predicted, like Christians waiting for the judgement day, to shove their disdain in SC2 fans' faces. Of course it was a huge middle finger to the entire SC2 scene. It was also unnecessarily inflammatory and condescending, and pretty surprising to be published as a feature article. It's also been disproved by every BW player that changed over after the article was written, and continues to be disproved now in WCS, WCG, and every other tournament Kespa players go against GSL players. The problem with claiming it was "disproved" is that every KeSPA player who's switched so far hasn't remained on a KeSPA team. The KeSPA pro-house environment and practice and coaching is so far above even what the eSF teams do. fOrGG practicing alone or in the oGs house is a Code S player. fOrGG practicing in the KT Rolster house is an MSL champion. In the Hwaseung OZ house yo. The problem for the current sc2 guys is that a bunch of people (like 15-20 guys) who were way better than MVP and zergbong at every aspect of a very similar game (multi tasking, making build orders, micro, macro, game sens...) are going to swich over. After hots, I don't see any GSL players among top 10 anymore, maybe among top 20. Flash called Nestea a strategic genius or somesuch. Perhaps you should reconsider your thoughts on these players. That was Flash being polite, no offence. If Nestea was so good, he would've been up there with sAviOr, who also did not have the mechanics, with his lousy 200-250 APM.
You can be great at strategy and yet still not be able to manage the rest of the game for other reasons other than APM though. Maybe it is flattery but I doubt he says it unless he is somewhat telling the truth.
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On August 09 2012 12:47 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 12:34 mrtomjones wrote:On August 09 2012 12:32 Severedevil wrote:On August 09 2012 12:28 Azzur wrote:
BW should've been able to stand on it's own feet. It did. Not anymore clearly which sucks but that's the case. No one single element killed it in Korea though. I'm sorry, but if you know nothing about a subject, don't try to debate it. It's clearly been stated that OSL and MSL and PL had the rights to broadcast Starcraft DENIED to them by Blizzard. Do you not understand this concept? They could not continue because Blizzard took away their rights to use SC. Blizzard shut down SC. Why do you think there was a rash of lawsuits and counter-lawsuits? The companies brokered a deal behind closed doors once it became obvious to the lawyers of Kespa that they would not win this battle over IP rights. The deal was that they would get the rights to broadcast SC for another season, as a sort of hybrid BW-SC2 league, to salvage as much of the BW fanbase as possible, and then it would be permanently shut down in the move-over to SC2. Only a completely ignorant person on the topic would say Blizzard and SC2 were not the direct cause of BW's demise.
What about graphic issues? What about new games? LoL for example. Dota. Other things. Cell games are apparently becoming popular there from what I hear for some unknown reason. What about the demographic aging a bit and the new one just not choosing BW as much. All I said was that not one single element killed it. That IS correct. I am not saying anything about whether Blizzard or Sc2 or graphics hurt BW. All I said was that it wasn't just one thing.
Oh and on the topic of your other post, no one has won every award there is to win in E Sports because E sports was NEVER just BW. It included fighting games, WC3 etc etc. I could very well see one of the greats not do well at SC2 but I don't believe that would happen because of a lack of skill. They just might not have the same desire to relearn a game as they did to perfect the one they had already learned. I expect that if they all put in the same effort they will all be amongst the top selection of players. Code S quality to put it in Sc2 terms. When that happens Code S quality will be higher than it is today simply due to the influx of more skilled players. If even half of them became as good as the top half of current players the skill bar is raised.
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On August 09 2012 14:39 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 13:37 maybenexttime wrote:On August 09 2012 11:14 mrtomjones wrote:On August 09 2012 06:05 Elroi wrote:On August 09 2012 03:43 ShiroKaisen wrote:On August 09 2012 03:26 Dranak wrote:On August 09 2012 03:04 nokz88 wrote:On August 09 2012 02:35 Dranak wrote:On August 09 2012 02:28 Whatson wrote:On August 09 2012 02:25 ]343[ wrote:
Huh, I think people are failing to recall how much lower the skill level was when the article was written... Did the writer of the article really not put into consideration the potential for the SC2 players to get better...it's not like they wouldn't improve. I think the intent was to comment on what was the current state of SC2 play at that time. The article doesn't really talk about the future beyond "If Kespa players all change over NOW..." The intent was to question the skill (then or potential) of then-best SC2 players, and thus the validity of a scene dominated by them. By showing their awful records in BW, it downplays the players themselves, not their current skill or whatever, not accounting for that they are now in a whole 'nother ballpark. It's a huge middle finger for SC2. It's the rallying point for BW elitists. It's a shame that more than a year after that piece of crap was written, people still are waiting for the things it predicted, like Christians waiting for the judgement day, to shove their disdain in SC2 fans' faces. Of course it was a huge middle finger to the entire SC2 scene. It was also unnecessarily inflammatory and condescending, and pretty surprising to be published as a feature article. It's also been disproved by every BW player that changed over after the article was written, and continues to be disproved now in WCS, WCG, and every other tournament Kespa players go against GSL players. The problem with claiming it was "disproved" is that every KeSPA player who's switched so far hasn't remained on a KeSPA team. The KeSPA pro-house environment and practice and coaching is so far above even what the eSF teams do. fOrGG practicing alone or in the oGs house is a Code S player. fOrGG practicing in the KT Rolster house is an MSL champion. In the Hwaseung OZ house yo. The problem for the current sc2 guys is that a bunch of people (like 15-20 guys) who were way better than MVP and zergbong at every aspect of a very similar game (multi tasking, making build orders, micro, macro, game sens...) are going to swich over. After hots, I don't see any GSL players among top 10 anymore, maybe among top 20. Flash called Nestea a strategic genius or somesuch. Perhaps you should reconsider your thoughts on these players. That was Flash being polite, no offence. If Nestea was so good, he would've been up there with sAviOr, who also did not have the mechanics, with his lousy 200-250 APM. You can be great at strategy and yet still not be able to manage the rest of the game for other reasons other than APM though. Maybe it is flattery but I doubt he says it unless he is somewhat telling the truth.
What would those other reasons be other than mechanics?
You can have people who are great strategists (as zergbong allegedly was) but either have mechanics deficiencies or problems with dealing with pressure in televise games. Nestea was neither of those. Not the former, because he would've been up there with the likes of sAviOr or Stork and other such players. I'm sure we would've also seen other players thanking him for helping them prepare strategies or compliment his skill (like we have in case of Nony e.g.). He was not the latter either, because we certainly would've heard about his being a practice monster, like we have heard about many other players.
Nestea has played in 2002-2003 and 2006-2009 periods (dunno what he was doing during the gap), and did not qualify for OSL or MSL even once, I believe.
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On August 09 2012 15:15 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 14:39 mrtomjones wrote:On August 09 2012 13:37 maybenexttime wrote:On August 09 2012 11:14 mrtomjones wrote:On August 09 2012 06:05 Elroi wrote:On August 09 2012 03:43 ShiroKaisen wrote:On August 09 2012 03:26 Dranak wrote:On August 09 2012 03:04 nokz88 wrote:On August 09 2012 02:35 Dranak wrote:On August 09 2012 02:28 Whatson wrote:
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Did the writer of the article really not put into consideration the potential for the SC2 players to get better...it's not like they wouldn't improve. I think the intent was to comment on what was the current state of SC2 play at that time. The article doesn't really talk about the future beyond "If Kespa players all change over NOW..." The intent was to question the skill (then or potential) of then-best SC2 players, and thus the validity of a scene dominated by them. By showing their awful records in BW, it downplays the players themselves, not their current skill or whatever, not accounting for that they are now in a whole 'nother ballpark. It's a huge middle finger for SC2. It's the rallying point for BW elitists. It's a shame that more than a year after that piece of crap was written, people still are waiting for the things it predicted, like Christians waiting for the judgement day, to shove their disdain in SC2 fans' faces. Of course it was a huge middle finger to the entire SC2 scene. It was also unnecessarily inflammatory and condescending, and pretty surprising to be published as a feature article. It's also been disproved by every BW player that changed over after the article was written, and continues to be disproved now in WCS, WCG, and every other tournament Kespa players go against GSL players. The problem with claiming it was "disproved" is that every KeSPA player who's switched so far hasn't remained on a KeSPA team. The KeSPA pro-house environment and practice and coaching is so far above even what the eSF teams do. fOrGG practicing alone or in the oGs house is a Code S player. fOrGG practicing in the KT Rolster house is an MSL champion. In the Hwaseung OZ house yo. The problem for the current sc2 guys is that a bunch of people (like 15-20 guys) who were way better than MVP and zergbong at every aspect of a very similar game (multi tasking, making build orders, micro, macro, game sens...) are going to swich over. After hots, I don't see any GSL players among top 10 anymore, maybe among top 20. Flash called Nestea a strategic genius or somesuch. Perhaps you should reconsider your thoughts on these players. That was Flash being polite, no offence. If Nestea was so good, he would've been up there with sAviOr, who also did not have the mechanics, with his lousy 200-250 APM. You can be great at strategy and yet still not be able to manage the rest of the game for other reasons other than APM though. Maybe it is flattery but I doubt he says it unless he is somewhat telling the truth. What would those other reasons be other than mechanics? You can have people who are great strategists (as zergbong allegedly was) but either have mechanics deficiencies or problems with dealing with pressure in televise games. Nestea was neither of those. Not the former, because he would've been up there with the likes of sAviOr or Stork and other such players. I'm sure we would've also seen other players thanking him for helping them prepare strategies or compliment his skill (like we have in case of Nony e.g.). He was not the latter either, because we certainly would've heard about his being a practice monster, like we have heard about many other players. Nestea has played in 2002-2003 and 2006-2009 periods (dunno what he was doing during the gap), and did not qualify for OSL or MSL even once, I believe.
Decision making on the spot imo is huge, obviously the lack of APM/speed issue you bring up as I have never felt he was that fast in SC2, mind games.. I dunno but there are a lot more things that go into winning a sc2 match than just strategy and mechanics. From what I have heard he did have issues wit pressure too. I'm just saying that I very much doubt Flash would ouright lie about it because that would get back to Nestea too so yah.. plus he has shown quite the mind in Sc2. It is not his mechanics that won him his games in most circumstances. Drg is known for mechanics as a zerg and Nestea for other things.
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^what flash is going to say? "LOOLOLOL ZERGBONG? HE IS TEH SUXS! OLOLOL!". No, he is not going to say those things.
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He wouldnt have said much at all if he didnt want to. He wasn't forced to talk about it beyond a few words. If you hate SC2 so much then perhaps you shouldnt be here? BW forums still exist and you can enjoy likeminded people there.
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On August 09 2012 16:39 Xiphos wrote:
^what flash is going to say? "LOOLOLOL ZERGBONG? HE IS TEH SUXS! OLOLOL!". No, he is not going to say those things.
Well, if he had so little clue then he wouldn't have been coach for KT I guess. His main strength in SC2 was that he understood the game better than others.
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On August 09 2012 16:58 mrtomjones wrote:
He wouldnt have said much at all if he didnt want to. He wasn't forced to talk about it beyond a few words. If you hate SC2 so much then perhaps you shouldnt be here? BW forums still exist and you can enjoy likeminded people there.
Well Flash is known to be extremely PC. You should know that nearly everytime he trashtalked to a player, he ended up losing to them when it actually mattered. At his 'god mode', he was extremely humble and was saying stuff like "Ah, I hope I can practice harder to win a game" when everybody knows his chances are high. And then he said things like "Oh yeah I think I found enlightment" right before facing Effort in which he lost horribly afterward.
P.S. Read what I wrote very meticulously before making silly assumptions.
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...I think you're right Xiphos. Useless debating. These people don't seem to know anything at all about BW scene, it's culture, the way its players act, nothing. Kespa players are not allowed to say things like LOLOL he is teh suxs. They take an autoloss if they even type during the game. Fking hilarious to compare Nestea's strategic depth to the likes of Flash.
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