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On August 09 2012 11:26 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:24 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 11:21 ragz_gt wrote:
3235 00081 6012 go install your BW with that. Just don't get on when I'm pwning n00bs like you. With a word usage as such, now everyone knows that you are full of it. I move with time, baby! Not like you who stuck in 2007 when you were 3.
Irrelevant.
Time is not the only thing you should be moving.
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On August 09 2012 11:14 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 06:05 Elroi wrote:On August 09 2012 03:43 ShiroKaisen wrote:On August 09 2012 03:26 Dranak wrote:On August 09 2012 03:04 nokz88 wrote:On August 09 2012 02:35 Dranak wrote:On August 09 2012 02:28 Whatson wrote:On August 09 2012 02:25 ]343[ wrote:
Huh, I think people are failing to recall how much lower the skill level was when the article was written... Did the writer of the article really not put into consideration the potential for the SC2 players to get better...it's not like they wouldn't improve. I think the intent was to comment on what was the current state of SC2 play at that time. The article doesn't really talk about the future beyond "If Kespa players all change over NOW..." The intent was to question the skill (then or potential) of then-best SC2 players, and thus the validity of a scene dominated by them. By showing their awful records in BW, it downplays the players themselves, not their current skill or whatever, not accounting for that they are now in a whole 'nother ballpark. It's a huge middle finger for SC2. It's the rallying point for BW elitists. It's a shame that more than a year after that piece of crap was written, people still are waiting for the things it predicted, like Christians waiting for the judgement day, to shove their disdain in SC2 fans' faces. Of course it was a huge middle finger to the entire SC2 scene. It was also unnecessarily inflammatory and condescending, and pretty surprising to be published as a feature article. It's also been disproved by every BW player that changed over after the article was written, and continues to be disproved now in WCS, WCG, and every other tournament Kespa players go against GSL players. The problem with claiming it was "disproved" is that every KeSPA player who's switched so far hasn't remained on a KeSPA team. The KeSPA pro-house environment and practice and coaching is so far above even what the eSF teams do. fOrGG practicing alone or in the oGs house is a Code S player. fOrGG practicing in the KT Rolster house is an MSL champion. In the Hwaseung OZ house yo. The problem for the current sc2 guys is that a bunch of people (like 15-20 guys) who were way better than MVP and zergbong at every aspect of a very similar game (multi tasking, making build orders, micro, macro, game sens...) are going to swich over. After hots, I don't see any GSL players among top 10 anymore, maybe among top 20. Flash called Nestea a strategic genius or somesuch. Perhaps you should reconsider your thoughts on these players.
I'm an SC2 fan, never really followed brood war.
I think the thing that SC2 fans are feeling is fear. Fear that everything they know is going to come crashing down. Fear that all our heroes, the players we've rooted for over 2 years will become irrelevant to the KeSPA pros. The fact that someone beat YuGiOh, a player who has beaten many of our favorite players at least once, is terrifying. If Reality is already at this level, and Soulkey can play (almost) evenly with GuMiHo, a top-tier terran (he is. don't argue this), and that they were already better than the current SC2 pros at BW is scary.
People fear change. and change is coming.
The biggest thing I'm afraid of though, is all the KeSPA players going through what I'll call "Jinro syndrome", where switching games makes them lose their passion.
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On August 09 2012 11:29 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:26 ragz_gt wrote:On August 09 2012 11:24 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 11:21 ragz_gt wrote:
3235 00081 6012 go install your BW with that. Just don't get on when I'm pwning n00bs like you. With a word usage as such, now everyone knows that you are full of it. I move with time, baby! Not like you who stuck in 2007 when you were 3. Irrelevant. Time is not the only thing you should be moving.
Who cares what your name is. Are you one of those egomaniac or something?
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On August 09 2012 11:30 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:29 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 11:26 ragz_gt wrote:On August 09 2012 11:24 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 11:21 ragz_gt wrote:
3235 00081 6012 go install your BW with that. Just don't get on when I'm pwning n00bs like you. With a word usage as such, now everyone knows that you are full of it. I move with time, baby! Not like you who stuck in 2007 when you were 3. Irrelevant. Time is not the only thing you should be moving. Who cares what your name is. Are you one of those egomaniac or something?
Better be an egomaniac than your kind.
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The angry tension at the end of this thread is intoxicating.
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On August 09 2012 11:32 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:30 ragz_gt wrote:On August 09 2012 11:29 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 11:26 ragz_gt wrote:On August 09 2012 11:24 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 11:21 ragz_gt wrote:
3235 00081 6012 go install your BW with that. Just don't get on when I'm pwning n00bs like you. With a word usage as such, now everyone knows that you are full of it. I move with time, baby! Not like you who stuck in 2007 when you were 3. Irrelevant. Time is not the only thing you should be moving. Who cares what your name is. Are you one of those egomaniac or something? Better be an egomaniac than your kind.
WTF kind of comeback is that.... I guess calling you 8 is overestimating you. I give up... you win thread.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On August 09 2012 11:24 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:21 ragz_gt wrote:
3235 00081 6012 go install your BW with that. Just don't get on when I'm pwning n00bs like you. With a word usage as such, now everyone knows that you are full of it. and.. Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:11 mrtomjones wrote:On August 09 2012 05:51 StorkHwaiting wrote:On August 09 2012 03:04 nokz88 wrote:On August 09 2012 02:35 Dranak wrote:On August 09 2012 02:28 Whatson wrote:On August 09 2012 02:25 ]343[ wrote:
Huh, I think people are failing to recall how much lower the skill level was when the article was written... Did the writer of the article really not put into consideration the potential for the SC2 players to get better...it's not like they wouldn't improve. I think the intent was to comment on what was the current state of SC2 play at that time. The article doesn't really talk about the future beyond "If Kespa players all change over NOW..." The intent was to question the skill (then or potential) of then-best SC2 players, and thus the validity of a scene dominated by them. By showing their awful records in BW, it downplays the players themselves, not their current skill or whatever, not accounting for that they are now in a whole 'nother ballpark. It's a huge middle finger for SC2. It's the rallying point for BW elitists. It's a shame that more than a year after that piece of crap was written, people still are waiting for the things it predicted, like Christians waiting for the judgement day, to shove their disdain in SC2 fans' faces. You're upset because one insulting article was written. The BW community is upset because SC2 killed our game and denied us the chance of ever seeing it on a pro-stage again. Sc2 was not the reason BW doesnt exist as a pro sport anymore. It would have held on easily if the interest was there. Sc2 killed nothing. Man someone definitely did not pay attention to the recent events
Oh like fans paying attention to other things and teams having more trouble with sponsors. Meh no point in having this discussion. I think it sucks for BW that it isnt going to be around in Korea anymore but if you want then you can watch the Chinese. BW just was never going to suddenly catch the kind of international attention that a game like LoL or SC2 with superior graphics can because nowadays people are graphics whores. Sc2 will eventually be phased out by something better too but I hope it is Sc3 that does it 
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On August 09 2012 11:30 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:29 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 11:26 ragz_gt wrote:On August 09 2012 11:24 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 11:21 ragz_gt wrote:
3235 00081 6012 go install your BW with that. Just don't get on when I'm pwning n00bs like you. With a word usage as such, now everyone knows that you are full of it. I move with time, baby! Not like you who stuck in 2007 when you were 3. Irrelevant. Time is not the only thing you should be moving. Who cares what your name is. Are you one of those egomaniac or something?
ragz, it's probably best to ignore him and not stoop to his level. Report to a mod if you find his statements offensive, but chances are this guy is either really really bitter, or trolling, or both. By now, I'd say it's probably the second from the responses I got from him.
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On August 09 2012 11:33 eviltomahawk wrote:
The angry tension at the end of this thread is intoxicating.
Well it was me telling StorkHwaiting to not get overly emotional on a very specific small portion of a genre of a poster and then people starting getting overly sensitive about what I've wrote and got mad. Then it was up to me assuaging their ego. And then random guy (will get to that in an iota) being full of it. Oh I also corrected a guy as far I remember.
also
On August 09 2012 11:34 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:32 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 11:30 ragz_gt wrote:On August 09 2012 11:29 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 11:26 ragz_gt wrote:On August 09 2012 11:24 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 11:21 ragz_gt wrote:
3235 00081 6012 go install your BW with that. Just don't get on when I'm pwning n00bs like you. With a word usage as such, now everyone knows that you are full of it. I move with time, baby! Not like you who stuck in 2007 when you were 3. Irrelevant. Time is not the only thing you should be moving. Who cares what your name is. Are you one of those egomaniac or something? Better be an egomaniac than your kind. WTF kind of comeback is that.... I guess calling you 8 is overestimating you. I give up... you win thread.
yaay I suppose?
On August 09 2012 11:38 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:30 ragz_gt wrote:On August 09 2012 11:29 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 11:26 ragz_gt wrote:On August 09 2012 11:24 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 11:21 ragz_gt wrote:
3235 00081 6012 go install your BW with that. Just don't get on when I'm pwning n00bs like you. With a word usage as such, now everyone knows that you are full of it. I move with time, baby! Not like you who stuck in 2007 when you were 3. Irrelevant. Time is not the only thing you should be moving. Who cares what your name is. Are you one of those egomaniac or something? ragz, it's probably best to ignore him and not stoop to his level. Report to a mod if you find his statements offensive, but chances are this guy is either really really bitter, or trolling, or both. By now, I'd say it's probably the second from the responses I got from him.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 09 2012 11:02 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 10:52 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 10:25 Bagration wrote:On August 09 2012 10:02 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 09:41 StorkHwaiting wrote:
What accounts? I demand to see them!!
Sandermatt: I sure hope so. *sigh* StorkHwaiting, stop putting yourself in this conquest of battling out with SCtwo guys. They are much newer to the scene and are incapable of grasping the historical impact of Brood War because of their mindset. Just remember this, there is a reason why people like us are considered to be 'elitist' in a sense that we are what the word means. Thinking like that, an 'elitist' shouldn't waste a penny of their time with the aforementioned genre of people. Reason behind that is that we have experienced something far more valuable. Yeah fuck me right? I enjoy both BW and SC2, but because I enjoy SC2, I'm impure and inferior right? If you hate SC2, why are you in the SC2 forums? I think the real questions is that are you a SCtwo guy or a SC2 guy. and On August 09 2012 10:29 ragz_gt wrote:On August 09 2012 10:02 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 09:41 StorkHwaiting wrote:
What accounts? I demand to see them!!
Sandermatt: I sure hope so. *sigh* StorkHwaiting, stop putting yourself in this conquest of battling out with SCtwo guys. They are much newer to the scene and are incapable of grasping the historical impact of Brood War because of their mindset. Just remember this, there is a reason why people like us are considered to be 'elitist' in a sense that we are what the word means. Thinking like that, an 'elitist' shouldn't waste a penny of their time with the aforementioned genre of people. Reason behind that is that we have experienced something far more valuable. I played BW before BoxeR played BW. That grant me the power to look down on you as a n00b. Playing =/= following the history and keep on track of the scene knowledge and with strategical development. Oh Xiphos, can't you see that you are doing so much damage to the perception of the BW fanbase? People see you and they think that all BW fans are like you, when in reality, most BW fans are much more open-minded and mature enough to mourn the loss of the game without lashing out at others. Come on man, as a fellow BW fan, you are really making BW fans look really really bad.
to which I responded with that you are such a great BW that you don't even have a BW tag on you.
That's NOT what trolling is. Please check on its accurate definition.
So you are wrong on that account.
Going back to first prospect you've described me. Well that's debatable depending on the time frame you are referring. I mean around 1 year ago when MBC got shut down? Yeah I was pretty bitter but then it took me 1/2 years to recuperate and I'm pretty much all aloof.
So neither of your assumptions on me really have a solid ground to hold on.
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On August 09 2012 11:29 courtpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:14 mrtomjones wrote:On August 09 2012 06:05 Elroi wrote:On August 09 2012 03:43 ShiroKaisen wrote:On August 09 2012 03:26 Dranak wrote:On August 09 2012 03:04 nokz88 wrote:On August 09 2012 02:35 Dranak wrote:On August 09 2012 02:28 Whatson wrote:On August 09 2012 02:25 ]343[ wrote:
Huh, I think people are failing to recall how much lower the skill level was when the article was written... Did the writer of the article really not put into consideration the potential for the SC2 players to get better...it's not like they wouldn't improve. I think the intent was to comment on what was the current state of SC2 play at that time. The article doesn't really talk about the future beyond "If Kespa players all change over NOW..." The intent was to question the skill (then or potential) of then-best SC2 players, and thus the validity of a scene dominated by them. By showing their awful records in BW, it downplays the players themselves, not their current skill or whatever, not accounting for that they are now in a whole 'nother ballpark. It's a huge middle finger for SC2. It's the rallying point for BW elitists. It's a shame that more than a year after that piece of crap was written, people still are waiting for the things it predicted, like Christians waiting for the judgement day, to shove their disdain in SC2 fans' faces. Of course it was a huge middle finger to the entire SC2 scene. It was also unnecessarily inflammatory and condescending, and pretty surprising to be published as a feature article. It's also been disproved by every BW player that changed over after the article was written, and continues to be disproved now in WCS, WCG, and every other tournament Kespa players go against GSL players. The problem with claiming it was "disproved" is that every KeSPA player who's switched so far hasn't remained on a KeSPA team. The KeSPA pro-house environment and practice and coaching is so far above even what the eSF teams do. fOrGG practicing alone or in the oGs house is a Code S player. fOrGG practicing in the KT Rolster house is an MSL champion. In the Hwaseung OZ house yo. The problem for the current sc2 guys is that a bunch of people (like 15-20 guys) who were way better than MVP and zergbong at every aspect of a very similar game (multi tasking, making build orders, micro, macro, game sens...) are going to swich over. After hots, I don't see any GSL players among top 10 anymore, maybe among top 20. Flash called Nestea a strategic genius or somesuch. Perhaps you should reconsider your thoughts on these players. I'm an SC2 fan, never really followed brood war. I think the thing that SC2 fans are feeling is fear. Fear that everything they know is going to come crashing down. Fear that all our heroes, the players we've rooted for over 2 years will become irrelevant to the KeSPA pros. The fact that someone beat YuGiOh, a player who has beaten many of our favorite players at least once, is terrifying. If Reality is already at this level, and Soulkey can play (almost) evenly with GuMiHo, a top-tier terran (he is. don't argue this), and that they were already better than the current SC2 pros at BW is scary. People fear change. and change is coming. The biggest thing I'm afraid of though, is all the KeSPA players going through what I'll call "Jinro syndrome", where switching games makes them lose their passion.
Tasteless syndrome
Nony syndrome
Idra syndrome
MMA syndrome
Its already happening, a lot of BW players are moving to LoL or quitting altogether and becoming actors or something (e.g Ruby)
For the ones that stay and actually enjoy SC2, like Soulkey, they should become good. I think its scary how fast Reality caught up to high Code A, Yugioh looked simply outclassed. Not to mention that every Kespa player is still practicing BW up to 50% of the time, which is a huge amount.
If you logically calculate in hours of practice, 2 years divided by 3 months = 8. Multiply by the fact that Reality is putting in only half the amount of hours as Yugioh so x2. So logically for every 1 hour of Reality's practice equals 16 hours of Yugioh's practice (very roughly)
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On August 09 2012 11:38 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:33 eviltomahawk wrote:
The angry tension at the end of this thread is intoxicating. Well it was me telling StorkHwaiting to not get overly emotional on a very specific small portion of a genre of a poster and then people starting getting overly sensitive about what I've wrote and got mad. Then it was up to me assuaging their ego. And then random guy (will get to that in an iota) being full of it. Oh I also corrected a guy as far I remember. also Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:34 ragz_gt wrote:On August 09 2012 11:32 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 11:30 ragz_gt wrote:On August 09 2012 11:29 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 11:26 ragz_gt wrote:On August 09 2012 11:24 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 11:21 ragz_gt wrote:
3235 00081 6012 go install your BW with that. Just don't get on when I'm pwning n00bs like you. With a word usage as such, now everyone knows that you are full of it. I move with time, baby! Not like you who stuck in 2007 when you were 3. Irrelevant. Time is not the only thing you should be moving. Who cares what your name is. Are you one of those egomaniac or something? Better be an egomaniac than your kind. WTF kind of comeback is that.... I guess calling you 8 is overestimating you. I give up... you win thread. yaay I suppose?
Xiphos is just too good man .. hahahaa anyway on topic Reality is really owning up the sc2 scene . Yay for broodwar players ?
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On August 09 2012 11:43 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:38 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 11:33 eviltomahawk wrote:
The angry tension at the end of this thread is intoxicating. Well it was me telling StorkHwaiting to not get overly emotional on a very specific small portion of a genre of a poster and then people starting getting overly sensitive about what I've wrote and got mad. Then it was up to me assuaging their ego. And then random guy (will get to that in an iota) being full of it. Oh I also corrected a guy as far I remember. also On August 09 2012 11:34 ragz_gt wrote:On August 09 2012 11:32 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 11:30 ragz_gt wrote:On August 09 2012 11:29 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 11:26 ragz_gt wrote:On August 09 2012 11:24 Xiphos wrote:On August 09 2012 11:21 ragz_gt wrote:
3235 00081 6012 go install your BW with that. Just don't get on when I'm pwning n00bs like you. With a word usage as such, now everyone knows that you are full of it. I move with time, baby! Not like you who stuck in 2007 when you were 3. Irrelevant. Time is not the only thing you should be moving. Who cares what your name is. Are you one of those egomaniac or something? Better be an egomaniac than your kind. WTF kind of comeback is that.... I guess calling you 8 is overestimating you. I give up... you win thread. yaay I suppose? Xiphos is just too good man .. hahahaa anyway on topic Reality is really owning up the sc2 scene . Yay for broodwar players ?
It's kinda surprising since his SPL record isn't that impressive. Meanwhile, Jaedong is owning up in ace matches, and other KeSPA players have better SPL records as well.
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On August 09 2012 11:40 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:29 courtpanda wrote:On August 09 2012 11:14 mrtomjones wrote:On August 09 2012 06:05 Elroi wrote:On August 09 2012 03:43 ShiroKaisen wrote:On August 09 2012 03:26 Dranak wrote:On August 09 2012 03:04 nokz88 wrote:On August 09 2012 02:35 Dranak wrote:On August 09 2012 02:28 Whatson wrote:On August 09 2012 02:25 ]343[ wrote:
Huh, I think people are failing to recall how much lower the skill level was when the article was written... Did the writer of the article really not put into consideration the potential for the SC2 players to get better...it's not like they wouldn't improve. I think the intent was to comment on what was the current state of SC2 play at that time. The article doesn't really talk about the future beyond "If Kespa players all change over NOW..." The intent was to question the skill (then or potential) of then-best SC2 players, and thus the validity of a scene dominated by them. By showing their awful records in BW, it downplays the players themselves, not their current skill or whatever, not accounting for that they are now in a whole 'nother ballpark. It's a huge middle finger for SC2. It's the rallying point for BW elitists. It's a shame that more than a year after that piece of crap was written, people still are waiting for the things it predicted, like Christians waiting for the judgement day, to shove their disdain in SC2 fans' faces. Of course it was a huge middle finger to the entire SC2 scene. It was also unnecessarily inflammatory and condescending, and pretty surprising to be published as a feature article. It's also been disproved by every BW player that changed over after the article was written, and continues to be disproved now in WCS, WCG, and every other tournament Kespa players go against GSL players. The problem with claiming it was "disproved" is that every KeSPA player who's switched so far hasn't remained on a KeSPA team. The KeSPA pro-house environment and practice and coaching is so far above even what the eSF teams do. fOrGG practicing alone or in the oGs house is a Code S player. fOrGG practicing in the KT Rolster house is an MSL champion. In the Hwaseung OZ house yo. The problem for the current sc2 guys is that a bunch of people (like 15-20 guys) who were way better than MVP and zergbong at every aspect of a very similar game (multi tasking, making build orders, micro, macro, game sens...) are going to swich over. After hots, I don't see any GSL players among top 10 anymore, maybe among top 20. Flash called Nestea a strategic genius or somesuch. Perhaps you should reconsider your thoughts on these players. I'm an SC2 fan, never really followed brood war. I think the thing that SC2 fans are feeling is fear. Fear that everything they know is going to come crashing down. Fear that all our heroes, the players we've rooted for over 2 years will become irrelevant to the KeSPA pros. The fact that someone beat YuGiOh, a player who has beaten many of our favorite players at least once, is terrifying. If Reality is already at this level, and Soulkey can play (almost) evenly with GuMiHo, a top-tier terran (he is. don't argue this), and that they were already better than the current SC2 pros at BW is scary. People fear change. and change is coming. The biggest thing I'm afraid of though, is all the KeSPA players going through what I'll call "Jinro syndrome", where switching games makes them lose their passion. Tasteless syndrome Nony syndrome Idra syndrome MMA syndrome Its already happening, a lot of BW players are moving to LoL or quitting altogether and becoming actors or something (e.g Ruby) For the ones that stay and actually enjoy SC2, like Soulkey, they should become good. I think its scary how fast Reality caught up to high Code A, Yugioh looked simply outclassed. Not to mention that every Kespa player is still practicing BW up to 50% of the time, which is a huge amount. If you logically calculate in hours of practice, 2 years divided by 3 months = 8. Multiply by the fact that Reality is putting in only half the amount of hours as Yugioh so x2. So logically for every 1 hour of Reality's practice equals 16 hours of Yugioh's practice (very roughly)
From the interviews I have seen it seems that the pros are focusing 70-90% on sc2. I believe that number comes from what Flash planned to do and I am not positive on the number but it is around that amount. Comparing BW programers to anyone else is stupid too. Bisu for example? Sucks in SC2. Reality? Catching on quick and is able to beat code A players(No commenting on who played good or bad or average). Some people will catch onto SC2 very fast because of its similarities and the fact that they have so many replays to analyse. Some people will never truly "get" SC2 and will move on because of its differences. Reality hasnt played as much as many other players if I remember right in the last year so perhaps it is the extra practice for him. Next round should be an interesting test for him though.
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sigh not this again lol. i wish the elephant article had never been written lol (regardless of being true or not)
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At least the lowest point to which this thread stooped happened after the games were done and had little to do with what transpired in the booths.
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Most SC2 fans have nothing against BW - but many SC2 fans certainly can't stand the BW-elitists.
I for one was happy to see BW exist alongside SC2 but that didn't eventuate.
Yes, in a sense, SC2 "caused" the demise of BW but in reality, BW should've been able to stand on it's own feet.
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On August 09 2012 12:28 Azzur wrote:
BW should've been able to stand on it's own feet.
It did.
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On August 09 2012 12:32 Severedevil wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 12:28 Azzur wrote:
BW should've been able to stand on it's own feet. It did.
Not anymore clearly which sucks but that's the case. No one single element killed it in Korea though.
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On August 09 2012 12:32 Severedevil wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 12:28 Azzur wrote:
BW should've been able to stand on it's own feet. It did.
Man speaks the truth.
Prior to the announcement of TVing OSL being the last of its kind, the Group stage was fill tightly with people.
and last season, stadium were so packed that they had to reconfigure the space with viewership being in the top 10 in korea.
then we all know what Mike M said.
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On August 09 2012 11:29 courtpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 11:14 mrtomjones wrote:On August 09 2012 06:05 Elroi wrote:On August 09 2012 03:43 ShiroKaisen wrote:On August 09 2012 03:26 Dranak wrote:On August 09 2012 03:04 nokz88 wrote:On August 09 2012 02:35 Dranak wrote:On August 09 2012 02:28 Whatson wrote:On August 09 2012 02:25 ]343[ wrote:
Huh, I think people are failing to recall how much lower the skill level was when the article was written... Did the writer of the article really not put into consideration the potential for the SC2 players to get better...it's not like they wouldn't improve. I think the intent was to comment on what was the current state of SC2 play at that time. The article doesn't really talk about the future beyond "If Kespa players all change over NOW..." The intent was to question the skill (then or potential) of then-best SC2 players, and thus the validity of a scene dominated by them. By showing their awful records in BW, it downplays the players themselves, not their current skill or whatever, not accounting for that they are now in a whole 'nother ballpark. It's a huge middle finger for SC2. It's the rallying point for BW elitists. It's a shame that more than a year after that piece of crap was written, people still are waiting for the things it predicted, like Christians waiting for the judgement day, to shove their disdain in SC2 fans' faces. Of course it was a huge middle finger to the entire SC2 scene. It was also unnecessarily inflammatory and condescending, and pretty surprising to be published as a feature article. It's also been disproved by every BW player that changed over after the article was written, and continues to be disproved now in WCS, WCG, and every other tournament Kespa players go against GSL players. The problem with claiming it was "disproved" is that every KeSPA player who's switched so far hasn't remained on a KeSPA team. The KeSPA pro-house environment and practice and coaching is so far above even what the eSF teams do. fOrGG practicing alone or in the oGs house is a Code S player. fOrGG practicing in the KT Rolster house is an MSL champion. In the Hwaseung OZ house yo. The problem for the current sc2 guys is that a bunch of people (like 15-20 guys) who were way better than MVP and zergbong at every aspect of a very similar game (multi tasking, making build orders, micro, macro, game sens...) are going to swich over. After hots, I don't see any GSL players among top 10 anymore, maybe among top 20. Flash called Nestea a strategic genius or somesuch. Perhaps you should reconsider your thoughts on these players. I'm an SC2 fan, never really followed brood war. I think the thing that SC2 fans are feeling is fear. Fear that everything they know is going to come crashing down. Fear that all our heroes, the players we've rooted for over 2 years will become irrelevant to the KeSPA pros. The fact that someone beat YuGiOh, a player who has beaten many of our favorite players at least once, is terrifying. If Reality is already at this level, and Soulkey can play (almost) evenly with GuMiHo, a top-tier terran (he is. don't argue this), and that they were already better than the current SC2 pros at BW is scary. People fear change. and change is coming. The biggest thing I'm afraid of though, is all the KeSPA players going through what I'll call "Jinro syndrome", where switching games makes them lose their passion.
I think you're right about the fear. I'm noticing a chip on the shoulder of many SC2 fans who have never experienced BW scene. They have their heroes like you say, but have no idea how they stack up against kespa and don't want to see their idols get crushed.
Now, I'm gonna do my best not to sound like an elitist here, but I don't think there is any chance TBLS or any other S-tier BW pros will get "Jinro syndrome." Jinro had a dream, went for it, and had a few mild successes. Not knocking him, but I doubt even Jinro himself would ever try to compare his accomplishments or level of dedication to the likes of TBLS.
TBLS have won every award there is to win in esports, but beyond that, these players have displayed a level of work ethic unparalleled by other players. Jaedong and Flash specifically. Stork and Bisu are more... lolzy.
Jaedong plays until his eyes bleed. Flash plays so much he has to get wrist surgery. And then as soon as he's out of surgery, the first thing he says is he needs to get back to playing. These are not guys who play based on passion. They are gods of the machine. The top-tier BW pros dedication is unmatched, to speak nothing of their mechanics, strategic ability, and grace under pressure.
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