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FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 10:58:06
August 08 2012 10:57 GMT
#781
On August 08 2012 19:55 YoucriedWolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 19:53 Darneck wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:52 YoucriedWolf wrote:
Didnt reality say something like i cannot lose to zerg in his quali interview? Am i imagining this?

He did so hopefully he will live up to that and beat yugioh like he beat symbol


Yes, Im not asking for much only good games! Actually im not even sure yugioh can deliver good games haha.


It's Yugioh.
100% sure we will get weird games and some good games.
He actually got some unorthodox build that sometimes prove effective.
Hopefully i can steal some today.
Play your best
1ManArmy
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands895 Posts
August 08 2012 10:58 GMT
#782
On August 08 2012 19:55 YoucriedWolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 19:53 Darneck wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:52 YoucriedWolf wrote:
Didnt reality say something like i cannot lose to zerg in his quali interview? Am i imagining this?

He did so hopefully he will live up to that and beat yugioh like he beat symbol


Yes, Im not asking for much only good games! Actually im not even sure yugioh can deliver good games haha.

Yugioh always plays pretty good, its just that he can't win consistently against the better korean players. Reality might win it, but it will be close i think.
Wouldst thou receive my all-in, cousin? - Choya
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
August 08 2012 10:58 GMT
#783
Honestly, I feel the Collosus's design is salvageable. They could cut its movement speed in half, upped its damage and lowered its attack speed and they could make it a proper siege unit on par with the Siege Tank and Broodlord.

You'd have to babysit them, but properly micro'd they'd be even more devastating than they are now, but they wouldn't be suited to the deathball as much because they aren't nearly as mobile.


That is a horrible idea, the entire concept of the protoss deathball in the first place is creating an army that is unbeatable, it doesnt matter how or where you engage as long as you reach that maxed army you can win 2 base vs 5. That was the original idea, and pretty much how it played out before zerg players knew how to deal with it and before major nerfs to the void ray etc, if you increase the DPS or even just the flat damage of the colossus at a cost to movement speed, you are making the deathball stronger and making the entire race weaker where they were most weak before. It would make every game stupid and one sided as either the unbeatable army rolled over everything with no significant losses, or its massive weaknesses in mobility etc got exploited so hard that the protoss player couldnt do anything aside from roll over and die.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
heaveshade
Profile Joined March 2011
China330 Posts
August 08 2012 10:58 GMT
#784
Yeah, it's time! Let's enjoy the whole WCS and get HOTS!
DrakeFZX3
Profile Joined October 2010
United States925 Posts
August 08 2012 10:58 GMT
#785
On August 08 2012 19:55 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 19:51 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:49 Skelith wrote:
full KeSPA instead of foreigner


ouch

that elephant in the room article is getting burned

It's sad actually.
If that article never came out this elephant nonsense would never had started and more people would have rooted for the kespa players to get better faster.


Agreed. That article is responsible for such a huge divide in both the BW and SC2 communities here at TL.
Tantaburs
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1825 Posts
August 08 2012 10:59 GMT
#786
poor deathangel
"One cannot play StarCraft with clenched fish.." ~Nick "Confucius" Plott
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
August 08 2012 10:59 GMT
#787
On August 08 2012 19:58 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 19:55 Assirra wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:51 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:49 Skelith wrote:
full KeSPA instead of foreigner


ouch

that elephant in the room article is getting burned

It's sad actually.
If that article never came out this elephant nonsense would never had started and more people would have rooted for the kespa players to get better faster.


Agreed. That article is responsible for such a huge divide in both the BW and SC2 communities here at TL.


again who the hell was the author of that article?
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
August 08 2012 11:00 GMT
#788
On August 08 2012 19:59 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 19:58 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:55 Assirra wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:51 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:49 Skelith wrote:
full KeSPA instead of foreigner


ouch

that elephant in the room article is getting burned

It's sad actually.
If that article never came out this elephant nonsense would never had started and more people would have rooted for the kespa players to get better faster.


Agreed. That article is responsible for such a huge divide in both the BW and SC2 communities here at TL.


again who the hell was the author of that article?


google is hard
BlindKill
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Australia1508 Posts
August 08 2012 11:00 GMT
#789
intrigue , what have you done
“Life is a grindstone, and whether it grinds a man down or polishes him up depends on the stuff he's made of.”
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
August 08 2012 11:00 GMT
#790
Sangho, dkiller and more ^_^
The Bomber boy
ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
August 08 2012 11:00 GMT
#791
On August 08 2012 19:48 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Yugioh will take it home for the zergs guys, chill


Go Puzzle. Go Yugioh~
| Idra | YuGiOh | Leenock | Coca |
Cubeface
Profile Joined April 2011
965 Posts
August 08 2012 11:00 GMT
#792
Wolf, who's talking here? Haha
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
August 08 2012 11:00 GMT
#793
hero[join] is good.
The Bomber boy
Thrombozyt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1269 Posts
August 08 2012 11:01 GMT
#794
On August 08 2012 19:57 tootatis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 19:54 Heavenlee wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:52 tootatis wrote:
Not sure what effort was supposed to do once Hero took his fast 3rd.

As Zerg you can't punish him easily for taking it, since the FFs will delay an attack long enough to be able to push it back unless you go all-in. So, you have to play greedily like he did otherwise Hero will destroy him just before Blords come out with a maxed 3/3 army o death. Just feels weird that a Protoss can take a greedy fast 3rd and then their opponent is still expected to be ready for a large enough attack to kill them.


Or maybe Hero is better than his opponent. Really, that's not even remotely unpunishable and there are certain limits to zerg greed while still keeping them even. Broodlord/infestor is good.


No doubt that Hero was the better player, I'm talking more generally in this case. Assuming the players are of even skill how do you punish that without going all-in? Seems quite easy to hold on that map.

It's probably as simple as Effort having to make a mix of units and workers.

You know, if you want to take a fast 4th, make 5 workers less and have 7 instead of 2 roaches on the map, so you can burn the 7 sentry 2 zealot moveout.

Or you research an upgrade, that suddenly transforms your supply units into dropships and then you laugh about FF.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4528 Posts
August 08 2012 11:01 GMT
#795
On August 08 2012 19:55 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 19:51 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:49 Skelith wrote:
full KeSPA instead of foreigner


ouch

that elephant in the room article is getting burned

It's sad actually.
If that article never came out this elephant nonsense would never had started and more people would have rooted for the kespa players to get better faster.

I for one had my doubts when that article came to to fruition. But coming from the influx in 2010 I was ignorant, horribly ignorant and had no idea how good those players were. Now that I've learnt much more about both scenes I'd have to say that it was a tad pre-emptive to write such an article basically warning anyone and everyone that BEWARE. ONCE THEY SWITCH. IT'S GG FOR NON KESPAS.

Now we're starting to see that yes, they're improving a ton but I don't think it's quite the same effect as The Elephant in the Room would suggest.
hi. big fan.
eericson000
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia718 Posts
August 08 2012 11:01 GMT
#796
On August 08 2012 20:00 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 19:59 Wildmoon wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:58 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:55 Assirra wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:51 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:49 Skelith wrote:
full KeSPA instead of foreigner


ouch

that elephant in the room article is getting burned

It's sad actually.
If that article never came out this elephant nonsense would never had started and more people would have rooted for the kespa players to get better faster.


Agreed. That article is responsible for such a huge divide in both the BW and SC2 communities here at TL.


again who the hell was the author of that article?


google is hard

The same thing when you give a friend an address to your party and they still ask for directions......
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
August 08 2012 11:01 GMT
#797
I'm digging Puzzle's keyboard. Looks like a leopold. :p
moochu
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia374 Posts
August 08 2012 11:01 GMT
#798
On August 08 2012 19:58 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 19:55 Assirra wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:51 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:49 Skelith wrote:
full KeSPA instead of foreigner


ouch

that elephant in the room article is getting burned

It's sad actually.
If that article never came out this elephant nonsense would never had started and more people would have rooted for the kespa players to get better faster.


Agreed. That article is responsible for such a huge divide in both the BW and SC2 communities here at TL.


Think about the saying, the topic was bound to be brought up.
Heavenlee
Profile Joined April 2012
United States966 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 11:02:08
August 08 2012 11:01 GMT
#799
On August 08 2012 19:57 tootatis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 19:54 Heavenlee wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:52 tootatis wrote:
Not sure what effort was supposed to do once Hero took his fast 3rd.

As Zerg you can't punish him easily for taking it, since the FFs will delay an attack long enough to be able to push it back unless you go all-in. So, you have to play greedily like he did otherwise Hero will destroy him just before Blords come out with a maxed 3/3 army o death. Just feels weird that a Protoss can take a greedy fast 3rd and then their opponent is still expected to be ready for a large enough attack to kill them.


Or maybe Hero is better than his opponent. Really, that's not even remotely unpunishable and there are certain limits to zerg greed while still keeping them even. Broodlord/infestor is good.


No doubt that Hero was the better player, I'm talking more generally in this case. Assuming the players are of even skill how do you punish that without going all-in? Seems quite easy to hold on that map.

It's probably as simple as Effort having to make a mix of units and workers.


Pretty much. I mean, you don't have to punish a greedy toss third, you can take a very fast fourth and the game enters sorta late mid-game where zerg is going for hive and stuff happens inbetween. If you poke out far as toss, imagine if your opponent suddenly has a lot of units and you lose everything in the middle of the map, it's almost impossible to come back from. The feeling when you're doing a sentry heavy poke out and everything gets fungaled...t.t
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
August 08 2012 11:01 GMT
#800
On August 08 2012 19:59 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 19:58 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:55 Assirra wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:51 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:49 Skelith wrote:
full KeSPA instead of foreigner


ouch

that elephant in the room article is getting burned

It's sad actually.
If that article never came out this elephant nonsense would never had started and more people would have rooted for the kespa players to get better faster.


Agreed. That article is responsible for such a huge divide in both the BW and SC2 communities here at TL.


again who the hell was the author of that article?

Intrigue.
Seriously, I just had to type "elephant" in the search bar.
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