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Please everyone, stop the balance whining.
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On August 03 2012 23:01 sam05396 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 22:59 Shiori wrote:On August 03 2012 22:58 zev318 wrote:On August 03 2012 22:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 03 2012 22:55 leo23 wrote:On August 03 2012 22:54 Redox wrote:On August 03 2012 22:52 leo23 wrote:On August 03 2012 22:52 Highways wrote:
meh gglords..
Hero deserved that game. Why? Because he warped in units all over Suppy's bases! Doesnt matter if effective or not. Ah! Ineffective harassment makes you deserve the game? Well I never... 60+ drones killed. 2 bases sniped. Ineffective harassment. Good logic yo. what good is all that when you've already let your opponent get to 15+ broodlords and 10+ infestors. u can do all the drone killing you want but if u cant deal with the army u still lose. good logic yo Well that's the thing though, isn't it? Whenever Protoss players say they can't engage BL/Infestor, Zerg players tell them to do harassment. Well, Hero's harassment was about as effective as it could be. The issue is that you can still never really engage that BL/Infestor ball, so you can never actually win. Kinda just makes the lategame boring, no matter who wins. no it was not nearly as effective as it could of been. After trying trying trying and trying he did get damage done but if u spend zealots and high temps all game then 20 minutes later kill one hatch and 20 drones it doesnt mean it was effective...
Well that's not really fair, don't you think? Harassment can never be guaranteed to work out perfectly. That's why it's harassment, not a full-scale attack. You keep doing it until you do some damage. I'm not sure what you think Hero could have done with 15 additional Stalkers or whatever against that many Broods, either. Besides, if he didn't harass, then the remax would have been super scary even if the army somehow was killed.
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MANA can still advance... he has already won with NightEnd 3-1...
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Mana is so moving on as second place, well played by him made it close.
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Why does Hero open the same this game again? Why not try a 2 base timing vs a zerg that skips on roaches early-mid game?
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MaNa played so well that series, but Taeja really underperformed, the first few games at least. Definitely saw a massive improvement though the last two games.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
Oh well mana had a good series against one of the two absolute best terrans in the world that's something to be proud of regardless.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
On August 03 2012 22:57 Leyra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 22:55 Pandemona wrote:
WTF
Is wrong with DeMu's TvP It's like he has no clue what he is doing in that match up, he could of a moved that colli small army with what he had...and ran away. Then in the main engangement he balls'd it up wtf. NA must be so bad >.< Seriously? wtf do people start this NA/EU shit every chance they get. Demuslim has even admitted recently he's felt good about his TvP, maybe he just made a mistake? God damn, some of the people on this forum are so whiny, it's kind of obnoxious. So happy for Suppy though, hope he can close it out 
Or maybe yo, he lost 3-0 to Bisu after saying his TvP is fine on NA...And he is happy with it from ladder results, gets WTF pwnd by Bischu who i haven't even heard from until he got asked to fill in for someone and beats him 3-0. Then he gets beat by the same strat twice in a row..Mass stalker colli vs bio and viking? wut. He was so ahead in game 4 as well he could of a moved him and thought he was behind or something idk what is wrong with him.
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On August 03 2012 22:57 sam05396 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 22:53 Slardar wrote:On August 03 2012 22:52 Shikyo wrote:On August 03 2012 22:51 Kznn wrote:
hero autoplayed suppy in everysingle aspect of the game
but then...
sad. Every harrass is an investment. You harrassing and your opponent defending properly is not outplaying. He didn't defend anything properly, what game were you watching? He lost his entire main, 4th on the right, and even his natural was being compromised. His only choice was to just attack and hope HerO didn't have enough to deal with it. u did see how much he committed to the harass though right? not like all the damage was from one warp in and one storm drop, he kept trying and trying and when it worked it looked good but does not necessarily mean it did as much damage as u think
You guys have no idea what you're talking about. Having 4 running bases up, while you kill 60+ drones, kill a 4th, kill the main+tech, kill the natural. The only thing he didn't deter was the 1 broodlord army, if HerO kills that, thanks to his harass Suppy has NOTHING left. Absolutely nothing, his infrastructure is mutilated, and his economy is worse than the US debt situation. I've been in Suppy's situation many times, I win with the final attack I lose sometimes. I generally feel undeserving of the game though.
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Austria24417 Posts
On August 03 2012 23:00 leo23 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 22:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 03 2012 22:55 leo23 wrote:On August 03 2012 22:54 Redox wrote:On August 03 2012 22:52 leo23 wrote:On August 03 2012 22:52 Highways wrote:
meh gglords..
Hero deserved that game. Why? Because he warped in units all over Suppy's bases! Doesnt matter if effective or not. Ah! Ineffective harassment makes you deserve the game? Well I never... 60+ drones killed. 2 bases sniped. Ineffective harassment. Good logic yo. You can kill as many drones as you want. You have no idea how this game works right? You can remake drones and losing warp prisms with 1 or 2 HT's is not cheap. Get a grip
Let's keep the cheap shots out of this.
Yeah you can remake drones but if protoss doesn't kill economy and focuses on killing a BL/infestor army, the fight might go evenly. The difference? Zerg attacks with another super army a few moments later. That's why you kill drones and snipe bases while going carriers. That's how you play PvZ lategame. It's just that carriers are terrible until you have like 13+ of them.
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On August 03 2012 23:02 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 sam05396 wrote:On August 03 2012 22:59 Shiori wrote:On August 03 2012 22:58 zev318 wrote:On August 03 2012 22:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 03 2012 22:55 leo23 wrote:On August 03 2012 22:54 Redox wrote:On August 03 2012 22:52 leo23 wrote:On August 03 2012 22:52 Highways wrote:
meh gglords..
Hero deserved that game. Why? Because he warped in units all over Suppy's bases! Doesnt matter if effective or not. Ah! Ineffective harassment makes you deserve the game? Well I never... 60+ drones killed. 2 bases sniped. Ineffective harassment. Good logic yo. what good is all that when you've already let your opponent get to 15+ broodlords and 10+ infestors. u can do all the drone killing you want but if u cant deal with the army u still lose. good logic yo Well that's the thing though, isn't it? Whenever Protoss players say they can't engage BL/Infestor, Zerg players tell them to do harassment. Well, Hero's harassment was about as effective as it could be. The issue is that you can still never really engage that BL/Infestor ball, so you can never actually win. Kinda just makes the lategame boring, no matter who wins. no it was not nearly as effective as it could of been. After trying trying trying and trying he did get damage done but if u spend zealots and high temps all game then 20 minutes later kill one hatch and 20 drones it doesnt mean it was effective... Well that's not really fair, don't you think? Harassment can never be guaranteed to work out perfectly. That's why it's harassment, not a full-scale attack. You keep doing it until you do some damage. I'm not sure what you think Hero could have done with 15 additional Stalkers or whatever against that many Broods, either. Besides, if he didn't harass, then the remax would have been super scary even if the army somehow was killed.
Did you watch the last Taeja vs Mana game? That's harrassment.
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On August 03 2012 23:04 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:02 Shiori wrote:On August 03 2012 23:01 sam05396 wrote:On August 03 2012 22:59 Shiori wrote:On August 03 2012 22:58 zev318 wrote:On August 03 2012 22:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 03 2012 22:55 leo23 wrote:On August 03 2012 22:54 Redox wrote:On August 03 2012 22:52 leo23 wrote:On August 03 2012 22:52 Highways wrote:
meh gglords..
Hero deserved that game. Why? Because he warped in units all over Suppy's bases! Doesnt matter if effective or not. Ah! Ineffective harassment makes you deserve the game? Well I never... 60+ drones killed. 2 bases sniped. Ineffective harassment. Good logic yo. what good is all that when you've already let your opponent get to 15+ broodlords and 10+ infestors. u can do all the drone killing you want but if u cant deal with the army u still lose. good logic yo Well that's the thing though, isn't it? Whenever Protoss players say they can't engage BL/Infestor, Zerg players tell them to do harassment. Well, Hero's harassment was about as effective as it could be. The issue is that you can still never really engage that BL/Infestor ball, so you can never actually win. Kinda just makes the lategame boring, no matter who wins. no it was not nearly as effective as it could of been. After trying trying trying and trying he did get damage done but if u spend zealots and high temps all game then 20 minutes later kill one hatch and 20 drones it doesnt mean it was effective... Well that's not really fair, don't you think? Harassment can never be guaranteed to work out perfectly. That's why it's harassment, not a full-scale attack. You keep doing it until you do some damage. I'm not sure what you think Hero could have done with 15 additional Stalkers or whatever against that many Broods, either. Besides, if he didn't harass, then the remax would have been super scary even if the army somehow was killed. Did you watch the last Taeja vs Mana game? That's harrassment.
That's also a completely different matchup.
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On August 03 2012 23:03 LimitSEA wrote:
[...] Taeja really underperformed, the first few games at least. Definitely saw a massive improvement though the last two games.
Nah, mana started underperforming.
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Mass stalkers and end it HEROOOOOOO
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fast broodlords from suppy.
poor herO
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On August 03 2012 23:05 obesemk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:03 LimitSEA wrote:
[...] Taeja really underperformed, the first few games at least. Definitely saw a massive improvement though the last two games. Nah, mana started underperforming.
I'd say both
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