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Please everyone, stop the balance whining.

This is the only warning before bans will be handed out, effective page 53.
Slagg
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway106 Posts
August 03 2012 13:59 GMT
#801
On August 03 2012 22:58 Addict wrote:
Anyone got an idea how you remove the "ASUS ROG SUMMER" tag in the middle of the screen? :p


Refresh
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
August 03 2012 13:59 GMT
#802
On August 03 2012 22:53 ohampatu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 22:48 Type|NarutO wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:44 ohampatu wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:42 Type|NarutO wrote:
I really feel you need to have EMP to counter nightends composition. Stalkers shield make 50% of their life so if you hit everything you can make his army worth 50% less. Also I feel like you have to get armor upgrades for your vikings against him, as he has so many stalkers.


A tip. EMP counters most protoss compositions. Good unit to make in that MU, with the whole shields/life thing. There shouldn't be a lategame situation where you dont have ghosts imo.

Also, armor upgrade for viking wont help them live longer, especially if the protoss is upgrading correctly


Armor upgrade for vikings will help them survive one more shot. 7,xxxxx (8 shots) compared to 8,xxxxxx (9 shots). Even if its not much, it certainly helps. If you have a bank like DemusliM you should get every little bit that helps.

Also I agree, Ghosts are very good and deal a lot of damage. There are some situations where fewer ghosts and more marine/marauder does help though. I prefer the mass ghost style nonetheless.



Ahh, i get cha. I guess at the point it will depend on how many stalkers you have. I guess then the discussion becomes, is the armor on the vikings better than the damage upgrade? I dont play terran, so idk if 2 armor upgrades would be better than 2 attack ugrades for instance.

And yea, i love ghost play, ghosts get better and better as you get the skill to use them. But im not a fan of early ghost usage, i think those quick 2 base ghost pushes are death against standard colo opening.


It will only help if you have +3 armor I think. With +3 armor its (8,9xxxxx) so with +2 it might still be 8,1 or the likes of it. Attack upgrades are a lot more important as vikings are shooting 2 rockets so you are right about first getting attack. I am talking about the very lategame though !

I think I can very well agree with your statement^_^
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 03 2012 13:59 GMT
#803
On August 03 2012 22:58 zev318 wrote:
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On August 03 2012 22:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:55 leo23 wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:54 Redox wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:52 leo23 wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:52 Highways wrote:
meh gglords..

Hero deserved that game.


Why?

Because he warped in units all over Suppy's bases!
Doesnt matter if effective or not.


Ah! Ineffective harassment makes you deserve the game?

Well I never...


60+ drones killed. 2 bases sniped. Ineffective harassment. Good logic yo.


what good is all that when you've already let your opponent get to 15+ broodlords and 10+ infestors. u can do all the drone killing you want but if u cant deal with the army u still lose. good logic yo


That's what I said before. Zerg only needs one army. Yet if you don't harass like this, they remake this one super army in a matter of seconds.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
August 03 2012 13:59 GMT
#804
On August 03 2012 22:58 zev318 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 22:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:55 leo23 wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:54 Redox wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:52 leo23 wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:52 Highways wrote:
meh gglords..

Hero deserved that game.


Why?

Because he warped in units all over Suppy's bases!
Doesnt matter if effective or not.


Ah! Ineffective harassment makes you deserve the game?

Well I never...


60+ drones killed. 2 bases sniped. Ineffective harassment. Good logic yo.


what good is all that when you've already let your opponent get to 15+ broodlords and 10+ infestors. u can do all the drone killing you want but if u cant deal with the army u still lose. good logic yo

Well that's the thing though, isn't it? Whenever Protoss players say they can't engage BL/Infestor, Zerg players tell them to do harassment. Well, Hero's harassment was about as effective as it could be. The issue is that you can still never really engage that BL/Infestor ball, so you can never actually win. Kinda just makes the lategame boring, no matter who wins.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
August 03 2012 13:59 GMT
#805
On August 03 2012 22:59 Slagg wrote:
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On August 03 2012 22:58 Addict wrote:
Anyone got an idea how you remove the "ASUS ROG SUMMER" tag in the middle of the screen? :p


Refresh


get an eraser kekeke
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
August 03 2012 13:59 GMT
#806
i dont understand why people go carriers


they are useless untill they are made microable
I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
August 03 2012 14:00 GMT
#807
On August 03 2012 22:56 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 22:55 leo23 wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:54 Redox wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:52 leo23 wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:52 Highways wrote:
meh gglords..

Hero deserved that game.


Why?

Because he warped in units all over Suppy's bases!
Doesnt matter if effective or not.


Ah! Ineffective harassment makes you deserve the game?

Well I never...


The trouble was it was TOO effective. It forced Suppy to just give up on all his bases and all in with his broodlord army and it couldn't be stopped due to Hero's units being all over the place.

I was waiting for someone to point this out. Four warp prisms of harrass, plus units warped in with them to harrass, is a lot of supply away from your main army meaning Suppy had to know HerO didn't have enough to deal with his army.
Long live the King of Wings
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
August 03 2012 14:00 GMT
#808
On August 03 2012 22:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 22:55 leo23 wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:54 Redox wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:52 leo23 wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:52 Highways wrote:
meh gglords..

Hero deserved that game.


Why?

Because he warped in units all over Suppy's bases!
Doesnt matter if effective or not.


Ah! Ineffective harassment makes you deserve the game?

Well I never...


60+ drones killed. 2 bases sniped. Ineffective harassment. Good logic yo.


You can kill as many drones as you want. You have no idea how this game works right? You can remake drones and losing warp prisms with 1 or 2 HT's is not cheap. Get a grip
banelings
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
August 03 2012 14:00 GMT
#809
On August 03 2012 22:52 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 22:51 Kznn wrote:
hero autoplayed suppy in everysingle aspect of the game
but then...
sad.

Every harrass is an investment.

You harrassing and your opponent defending properly is not outplaying.


Also harrassing with 3 warpprisms against BL/infestor is way easier then defending it, so you are expected to do damage, but it's not outplaying.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
August 03 2012 14:00 GMT
#810
Wow, Nightend needs sometime soon to face Thorzain and win and he all kills the EG terran line )
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
August 03 2012 14:01 GMT
#811
On August 03 2012 22:59 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 22:58 zev318 wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:55 leo23 wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:54 Redox wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:52 leo23 wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:52 Highways wrote:
meh gglords..

Hero deserved that game.


Why?

Because he warped in units all over Suppy's bases!
Doesnt matter if effective or not.


Ah! Ineffective harassment makes you deserve the game?

Well I never...


60+ drones killed. 2 bases sniped. Ineffective harassment. Good logic yo.


what good is all that when you've already let your opponent get to 15+ broodlords and 10+ infestors. u can do all the drone killing you want but if u cant deal with the army u still lose. good logic yo

Well that's the thing though, isn't it? Whenever Protoss players say they can't engage BL/Infestor, Zerg players tell them to do harassment. Well, Hero's harassment was about as effective as it could be. The issue is that you can still never really engage that BL/Infestor ball, so you can never actually win. Kinda just makes the lategame boring, no matter who wins.

no it was not nearly as effective as it could of been. After trying trying trying and trying he did get damage done but if u spend zealots and high temps all game then 20 minutes later kill one hatch and 20 drones it doesnt mean it was effective...
Dali.
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand689 Posts
August 03 2012 14:01 GMT
#812
On August 03 2012 22:57 ZAiNs wrote:
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On August 03 2012 22:54 Qikz wrote:
I really don't think Carriers or Motherships should be able to be fungalled. Maybe if they took the damage but could still move? I dunno, seems kind of pointless going late game air against zerg with that many infestors.

I remember when Blizzard made Fungal only hit ground units on PTR, then they changed it back in like a week because of whining. It would be a really good change now, people might actually use Void Rays past the early stages of the game and you could be constantly active with Phoenixes without being worried of a Fungal killing all of them.


And then Zerg defends with what? Mass Queen, Hydra? Yes because they have longevity and utility in a zerg composition....

nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
August 03 2012 14:01 GMT
#813
TAEJA is THE ANTIBUFF§!!!§§!§
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Comogury
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States412 Posts
August 03 2012 14:01 GMT
#814
On August 03 2012 22:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 22:55 leo23 wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:54 Redox wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:52 leo23 wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:52 Highways wrote:
meh gglords..

Hero deserved that game.


Why?

Because he warped in units all over Suppy's bases!
Doesnt matter if effective or not.


Ah! Ineffective harassment makes you deserve the game?

Well I never...


60+ drones killed. 2 bases sniped. Ineffective harassment. Good logic yo.

Lose every single templar without killing infestors. Best strategy. If he hadn't wasted so many templar killing the least important part of Suppy's gameplan, he would have won the last engagement by feedbacking the 10+ infestors that Suppy had.

Drones are almost like SCV's later in the game. Their best use isn't for mining, rather they are best as spines and spores. You really only need gas and 2 bases of mineral saturation after brood lords come to build up bank and turtle up with the best (almost unbeatable) defensive composition. That's only about 40 or 50 drones. If you listened to the cast at all, Khaldor states that Suppy has over 100 drones at one point. What's the point in killing 60+ drones if he doesn't really need them anymore?
Bananasword01
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia220 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-03 14:04:38
August 03 2012 14:02 GMT
#815
Pro tips
1)warping in from a warp prism and doing damage vs a slow late game compositions economy is marginally skilled.
2) Killing harvesters in the late game when your opponent has almost rounded out their ultimate army doesn't mean much if you don't have the gumption to deal with the army.


Yesterday I saw puma lose to nightend in game one where nightend lost his first stalker, lost like 8 stalkers to a drop that they should prevent, a twilight council thus delayed ups and a delayed fourth. Then Nightend got to win because puma had to micro verse nightends 1a.

It happens.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
August 03 2012 14:02 GMT
#816
On August 03 2012 22:59 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 22:58 zev318 wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:55 leo23 wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:54 Redox wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:52 leo23 wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:52 Highways wrote:
meh gglords..

Hero deserved that game.


Why?

Because he warped in units all over Suppy's bases!
Doesnt matter if effective or not.


Ah! Ineffective harassment makes you deserve the game?

Well I never...


60+ drones killed. 2 bases sniped. Ineffective harassment. Good logic yo.


what good is all that when you've already let your opponent get to 15+ broodlords and 10+ infestors. u can do all the drone killing you want but if u cant deal with the army u still lose. good logic yo

Well that's the thing though, isn't it? Whenever Protoss players say they can't engage BL/Infestor, Zerg players tell them to do harassment. Well, Hero's harassment was about as effective as it could be. The issue is that you can still never really engage that BL/Infestor ball, so you can never actually win. Kinda just makes the lategame boring, no matter who wins.


again, his harassment was good in the late game, when suppy already HAD an army that hero couldnt deal with, what good is eco harassment when that's not the main issue? hero's harassment in the early game were basically all for nothing, he lost at least 10 zealots (i count at least 6 at the 4th) and didnt do any damage. effective harassment in different parts of the game isn't all the same.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
August 03 2012 14:02 GMT
#817
dammit Mana, so close
jojo311
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia903 Posts
August 03 2012 14:02 GMT
#818
Taeja so good
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
August 03 2012 14:02 GMT
#819
On August 03 2012 23:01 Dali. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 22:57 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:54 Qikz wrote:
I really don't think Carriers or Motherships should be able to be fungalled. Maybe if they took the damage but could still move? I dunno, seems kind of pointless going late game air against zerg with that many infestors.

I remember when Blizzard made Fungal only hit ground units on PTR, then they changed it back in like a week because of whining. It would be a really good change now, people might actually use Void Rays past the early stages of the game and you could be constantly active with Phoenixes without being worried of a Fungal killing all of them.


And then Zerg defends with what? Mass Queen, Hydra? Yes because they have longevity and utility in a zerg composition....



With corruptors, neural parasite, hydras etc. Oh, but you want one unit. Ok...
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Mapsterthesaint
Profile Joined June 2012
Denmark9 Posts
August 03 2012 14:02 GMT
#820
I am at the event. Hero is looking so stressed out man
When Nestea took his first dump the sound was so awe-inspiring that we still refer to this act as the Big Bang some 13.75 billion years later.
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