EPTOn August 03 2012 22:58 Addict wrote:
Anyone got an idea how you remove the "ASUS ROG SUMMER" tag in the middle of the screen? :p
Anyone got an idea how you remove the "ASUS ROG SUMMER" tag in the middle of the screen? :p
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Please everyone, stop the balance whining. This is the only warning before bans will be handed out, effective page 53. | ||
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Slagg
Norway106 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On August 03 2012 22:53 ohampatu wrote: Ahh, i get cha. I guess at the point it will depend on how many stalkers you have. I guess then the discussion becomes, is the armor on the vikings better than the damage upgrade? I dont play terran, so idk if 2 armor upgrades would be better than 2 attack ugrades for instance. And yea, i love ghost play, ghosts get better and better as you get the skill to use them. But im not a fan of early ghost usage, i think those quick 2 base ghost pushes are death against standard colo opening. It will only help if you have +3 armor I think. With +3 armor its (8,9xxxxx) so with +2 it might still be 8,1 or the likes of it. Attack upgrades are a lot more important as vikings are shooting 2 rockets so you are right about first getting attack. I am talking about the very lategame though  !I think I can very well agree with your statement^_^ | ||
Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On August 03 2012 22:58 zev318 wrote: what good is all that when you've already let your opponent get to 15+ broodlords and 10+ infestors. u can do all the drone killing you want but if u cant deal with the army u still lose. good logic yo That's what I said before. Zerg only needs one army. Yet if you don't harass like this, they remake this one super army in a matter of seconds. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 03 2012 22:58 zev318 wrote: what good is all that when you've already let your opponent get to 15+ broodlords and 10+ infestors. u can do all the drone killing you want but if u cant deal with the army u still lose. good logic yo Well that's the thing though, isn't it? Whenever Protoss players say they can't engage BL/Infestor, Zerg players tell them to do harassment. Well, Hero's harassment was about as effective as it could be. The issue is that you can still never really engage that BL/Infestor ball, so you can never actually win. Kinda just makes the lategame boring, no matter who wins. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
get an eraser kekeke | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
they are useless untill they are made microable | ||
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
On August 03 2012 22:56 Qikz wrote: The trouble was it was TOO effective. It forced Suppy to just give up on all his bases and all in with his broodlord army and it couldn't be stopped due to Hero's units being all over the place. I was waiting for someone to point this out. Four warp prisms of harrass, plus units warped in with them to harrass, is a lot of supply away from your main army meaning Suppy had to know HerO didn't have enough to deal with his army. | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
On August 03 2012 22:56 DarkLordOlli wrote: 60+ drones killed. 2 bases sniped. Ineffective harassment. Good logic yo. You can kill as many drones as you want. You have no idea how this game works right? You can remake drones and losing warp prisms with 1 or 2 HT's is not cheap. Get a grip | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On August 03 2012 22:52 Shikyo wrote: Every harrass is an investment. You harrassing and your opponent defending properly is not outplaying. Also harrassing with 3 warpprisms against BL/infestor is way easier then defending it, so you are expected to do damage, but it's not outplaying. | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
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sam05396
United States783 Posts
On August 03 2012 22:59 Shiori wrote: Well that's the thing though, isn't it? Whenever Protoss players say they can't engage BL/Infestor, Zerg players tell them to do harassment. Well, Hero's harassment was about as effective as it could be. The issue is that you can still never really engage that BL/Infestor ball, so you can never actually win. Kinda just makes the lategame boring, no matter who wins. no it was not nearly as effective as it could of been. After trying trying trying and trying he did get damage done but if u spend zealots and high temps all game then 20 minutes later kill one hatch and 20 drones it doesnt mean it was effective... | ||
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Dali.
New Zealand689 Posts
On August 03 2012 22:57 ZAiNs wrote: I remember when Blizzard made Fungal only hit ground units on PTR, then they changed it back in like a week because of whining. It would be a really good change now, people might actually use Void Rays past the early stages of the game and you could be constantly active with Phoenixes without being worried of a Fungal killing all of them. And then Zerg defends with what? Mass Queen, Hydra? Yes because they have longevity and utility in a zerg composition.... | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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Comogury
United States412 Posts
On August 03 2012 22:56 DarkLordOlli wrote: 60+ drones killed. 2 bases sniped. Ineffective harassment. Good logic yo. Lose every single templar without killing infestors. Best strategy. If he hadn't wasted so many templar killing the least important part of Suppy's gameplan, he would have won the last engagement by feedbacking the 10+ infestors that Suppy had. Drones are almost like SCV's later in the game. Their best use isn't for mining, rather they are best as spines and spores. You really only need gas and 2 bases of mineral saturation after brood lords come to build up bank and turtle up with the best (almost unbeatable) defensive composition. That's only about 40 or 50 drones. If you listened to the cast at all, Khaldor states that Suppy has over 100 drones at one point. What's the point in killing 60+ drones if he doesn't really need them anymore? | ||
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Bananasword01
Australia220 Posts
1)warping in from a warp prism and doing damage vs a slow late game compositions economy is marginally skilled. 2) Killing harvesters in the late game when your opponent has almost rounded out their ultimate army doesn't mean much if you don't have the gumption to deal with the army. Yesterday I saw puma lose to nightend in game one where nightend lost his first stalker, lost like 8 stalkers to a drop that they should prevent, a twilight council thus delayed ups and a delayed fourth. Then Nightend got to win because puma had to micro verse nightends 1a. It happens. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On August 03 2012 22:59 Shiori wrote: Well that's the thing though, isn't it? Whenever Protoss players say they can't engage BL/Infestor, Zerg players tell them to do harassment. Well, Hero's harassment was about as effective as it could be. The issue is that you can still never really engage that BL/Infestor ball, so you can never actually win. Kinda just makes the lategame boring, no matter who wins. again, his harassment was good in the late game, when suppy already HAD an army that hero couldnt deal with, what good is eco harassment when that's not the main issue? hero's harassment in the early game were basically all for nothing, he lost at least 10 zealots (i count at least 6 at the 4th) and didnt do any damage. effective harassment in different parts of the game isn't all the same. | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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jojo311
Australia903 Posts
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On August 03 2012 23:01 Dali. wrote: And then Zerg defends with what? Mass Queen, Hydra? Yes because they have longevity and utility in a zerg composition.... With corruptors, neural parasite, hydras etc. Oh, but you want one unit. Ok... | ||
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Mapsterthesaint
Denmark9 Posts
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