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On August 02 2012 02:56 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 02:43 Talin wrote:On August 02 2012 00:37 Corrosive wrote:I still dont know if they can beat IM. they have been doing really well but IM is a totally different beast during this teamleague (seems like a direct opposite to their gstl record  ) IM won't be bringing their full roster though. The list I've seen floating around earlier in this thread looks a whole tier below the full Slayers/Startale/Prime team. Found it: It's definitely good for Liquid to finally be on even terms when it comes to size of the roster. Doing in-depth research on all of these players is actually a possibility this time around, and it was incredibly difficult to do so far. lol, Nestea - 3 time GSL champ Yoda - only player to go straight from Code B to Code S this season (no up and downs), 6 Killed ST earlier this year Yonghwa - #2 HSC, qualified WCG Ro16 First - 3rd MLG Arena Happy - SF GSL Seed - Won the most recent GSL LosirA - Code S finalists, 4 killed TSL in GSTL, multiple kills is IPL TAC And this roster does not compare to Prime, ST, Slayers? LosirA,First basically killed KingKong, Hack, Curious, Parting, Squirtle (only Bomber missing) LosirA took out Miya, Arthur, Coca, Alicia And PRIME? They have MKP, Byun, Creator and who (0 GSLd between them)? Look. Prime/ST/Slayers are all great teams. But to call this IM lineup a tier below them is just stupid.
GSL championships aren't everything - especially when it comes to current best players due to the time frame in which GSL is run.
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On August 02 2012 04:17 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 04:03 ELA wrote:On August 02 2012 03:50 vthree wrote:On August 02 2012 03:38 ELA wrote:On August 02 2012 03:34 ZAiNs wrote:On August 02 2012 03:31 ELA wrote:On August 02 2012 03:28 Koshi wrote:
Talin you are being silly right now.
IM 5 - 1 Slayers
IM 5-2 Startale
Seed, Losira are on fire lately.
You started this whole discussion saying that IM is a full tier under Startale and Slayers.
Just silly.
IM is only missing MVP, and Nestea is a bit out of form. But they are not weaker than Slayers or Startale. And you counterargument is that IM players are underperforming lately? Compared to invidual results of Slayers and Startale?
Come on....
EDIT: Making dumb statements to attentionwhore is something we all do from time to time. But don't be a silly attentionwhore. I thought SK's involvement with IM in teamleagues were for GSTL exclusively? MC won't be in IM's IPLTAC livesquad from what I've heard I might be wrong though, just how I understood it They've sent out MC before, but it seems they're not sending him to the finals. Well, with that in mind and not having their usual depth of roster which is what Talin is commenting, I think his argument holds; Granted, the players they are sending are scary as fuck - But it's not 12 possible snipers AND the Code S stars as it is 'online'. Sorry, it doesn't hold AT ALL. 7 players is more than enough for Bo9 team league. And his argument is that PRIME and ST are a tier HIGHER then those 7. What? PRIME is basically MKP, Creator, Byun,....., Maru, BBBB, ... Classic, Salmosa? Sure, 7 players is enough - 1 is enough! - But what the original argument, that a full StarTale lineup online: AcE Avenge Bomber Curious Hack Harrier July Life PartinG Sound Squirtle SuHoSin TREME Virus Is scarier than this particular lineup, which is what IM will be sending: NesTea YoDa YongHwa First Happy Seed LosirA I completely agree with you, that IM even here, has the most accomplished (In SC2  ) players, even only with these seven, but in this particular format, I would rather face these seven, than the 14 of Startale, simply based on how the allkill format works, with the time available for the teams to prepare snipers and so on. So it's about depth of the roster, which is quite a factor; see the Nazgul AMA about his thoughts on the challenges that this sometimes gives Liquid in this type of tournament. And PRIME? Let's look at ST's lineup and there 5 player possibilities assuming everything is on the line. Squirtle and Parting will BOTH be played. Curious or Life will be the sent. Bomber or Hack will be sent. And for your last spot, you have Curious/Life, Bomber/Hack, Ace, Sound? So at best, ST is 8 man deep when playing in a finals.
No, they are 14 man deep.
Please read the Nazgul AMA about how picking players for each round vs. different opponents is important 
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On August 02 2012 04:24 noddy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 02:56 vthree wrote:On August 02 2012 02:43 Talin wrote:On August 02 2012 00:37 Corrosive wrote:I still dont know if they can beat IM. they have been doing really well but IM is a totally different beast during this teamleague (seems like a direct opposite to their gstl record ) IM won't be bringing their full roster though. The list I've seen floating around earlier in this thread looks a whole tier below the full Slayers/Startale/Prime team. Found it: It's definitely good for Liquid to finally be on even terms when it comes to size of the roster. Doing in-depth research on all of these players is actually a possibility this time around, and it was incredibly difficult to do so far. lol, Nestea - 3 time GSL champ Yoda - only player to go straight from Code B to Code S this season (no up and downs), 6 Killed ST earlier this year Yonghwa - #2 HSC, qualified WCG Ro16 First - 3rd MLG Arena Happy - SF GSL Seed - Won the most recent GSL LosirA - Code S finalists, 4 killed TSL in GSTL, multiple kills is IPL TAC And this roster does not compare to Prime, ST, Slayers? LosirA,First basically killed KingKong, Hack, Curious, Parting, Squirtle (only Bomber missing) LosirA took out Miya, Arthur, Coca, Alicia And PRIME? They have MKP, Byun, Creator and who (0 GSLd between them)? Look. Prime/ST/Slayers are all great teams. But to call this IM lineup a tier below them is just stupid. GSL championships aren't everything - especially when it comes to current best players due to the time frame in which GSL is run.
So we should use today’s ladder results? Do you really want to argue PRIME vs IM?
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On August 02 2012 04:24 ELA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 04:17 vthree wrote:On August 02 2012 04:03 ELA wrote:On August 02 2012 03:50 vthree wrote:On August 02 2012 03:38 ELA wrote:On August 02 2012 03:34 ZAiNs wrote:On August 02 2012 03:31 ELA wrote:On August 02 2012 03:28 Koshi wrote:
Talin you are being silly right now.
IM 5 - 1 Slayers
IM 5-2 Startale
Seed, Losira are on fire lately.
You started this whole discussion saying that IM is a full tier under Startale and Slayers.
Just silly.
IM is only missing MVP, and Nestea is a bit out of form. But they are not weaker than Slayers or Startale. And you counterargument is that IM players are underperforming lately? Compared to invidual results of Slayers and Startale?
Come on....
EDIT: Making dumb statements to attentionwhore is something we all do from time to time. But don't be a silly attentionwhore. I thought SK's involvement with IM in teamleagues were for GSTL exclusively? MC won't be in IM's IPLTAC livesquad from what I've heard I might be wrong though, just how I understood it They've sent out MC before, but it seems they're not sending him to the finals. Well, with that in mind and not having their usual depth of roster which is what Talin is commenting, I think his argument holds; Granted, the players they are sending are scary as fuck - But it's not 12 possible snipers AND the Code S stars as it is 'online'. Sorry, it doesn't hold AT ALL. 7 players is more than enough for Bo9 team league. And his argument is that PRIME and ST are a tier HIGHER then those 7. What? PRIME is basically MKP, Creator, Byun,....., Maru, BBBB, ... Classic, Salmosa? Sure, 7 players is enough - 1 is enough! - But what the original argument, that a full StarTale lineup online: AcE Avenge Bomber Curious Hack Harrier July Life PartinG Sound Squirtle SuHoSin TREME Virus Is scarier than this particular lineup, which is what IM will be sending: NesTea YoDa YongHwa First Happy Seed LosirA I completely agree with you, that IM even here, has the most accomplished (In SC2 ) players, even only with these seven, but in this particular format, I would rather face these seven, than the 14 of Startale, simply based on how the allkill format works, with the time available for the teams to prepare snipers and so on. So it's about depth of the roster, which is quite a factor; see the Nazgul AMA about his thoughts on the challenges that this sometimes gives Liquid in this type of tournament. And PRIME? Let's look at ST's lineup and there 5 player possibilities assuming everything is on the line. Squirtle and Parting will BOTH be played. Curious or Life will be the sent. Bomber or Hack will be sent. And for your last spot, you have Curious/Life, Bomber/Hack, Ace, Sound? So at best, ST is 8 man deep when playing in a finals. No, they are 14 man deep. Please read the Nazgul AMA about how picking players for each round vs. different opponents is important
So Liquid actually has an unfair advantage since they will bring ALL 9 players as oppose to 7 from IM? Where is the outrage from this injustice.
And yes, assuming the players are equally skilled, opponents, matchups and maps, etc do matter. But Nazgul also said, at the end of the day, you need your ace/code S player to step up.
Let's say a NA GM player would join IM at SAn Fran, would they make them 8 man deep?
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On August 02 2012 04:48 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 04:24 ELA wrote:On August 02 2012 04:17 vthree wrote:On August 02 2012 04:03 ELA wrote:On August 02 2012 03:50 vthree wrote:On August 02 2012 03:38 ELA wrote:On August 02 2012 03:34 ZAiNs wrote:On August 02 2012 03:31 ELA wrote:On August 02 2012 03:28 Koshi wrote:
Talin you are being silly right now.
IM 5 - 1 Slayers
IM 5-2 Startale
Seed, Losira are on fire lately.
You started this whole discussion saying that IM is a full tier under Startale and Slayers.
Just silly.
IM is only missing MVP, and Nestea is a bit out of form. But they are not weaker than Slayers or Startale. And you counterargument is that IM players are underperforming lately? Compared to invidual results of Slayers and Startale?
Come on....
EDIT: Making dumb statements to attentionwhore is something we all do from time to time. But don't be a silly attentionwhore. I thought SK's involvement with IM in teamleagues were for GSTL exclusively? MC won't be in IM's IPLTAC livesquad from what I've heard I might be wrong though, just how I understood it They've sent out MC before, but it seems they're not sending him to the finals. Well, with that in mind and not having their usual depth of roster which is what Talin is commenting, I think his argument holds; Granted, the players they are sending are scary as fuck - But it's not 12 possible snipers AND the Code S stars as it is 'online'. Sorry, it doesn't hold AT ALL. 7 players is more than enough for Bo9 team league. And his argument is that PRIME and ST are a tier HIGHER then those 7. What? PRIME is basically MKP, Creator, Byun,....., Maru, BBBB, ... Classic, Salmosa? Sure, 7 players is enough - 1 is enough! - But what the original argument, that a full StarTale lineup online: AcE Avenge Bomber Curious Hack Harrier July Life PartinG Sound Squirtle SuHoSin TREME Virus Is scarier than this particular lineup, which is what IM will be sending: NesTea YoDa YongHwa First Happy Seed LosirA I completely agree with you, that IM even here, has the most accomplished (In SC2 ) players, even only with these seven, but in this particular format, I would rather face these seven, than the 14 of Startale, simply based on how the allkill format works, with the time available for the teams to prepare snipers and so on. So it's about depth of the roster, which is quite a factor; see the Nazgul AMA about his thoughts on the challenges that this sometimes gives Liquid in this type of tournament. And PRIME? Let's look at ST's lineup and there 5 player possibilities assuming everything is on the line. Squirtle and Parting will BOTH be played. Curious or Life will be the sent. Bomber or Hack will be sent. And for your last spot, you have Curious/Life, Bomber/Hack, Ace, Sound? So at best, ST is 8 man deep when playing in a finals. No, they are 14 man deep. Please read the Nazgul AMA about how picking players for each round vs. different opponents is important So Liquid actually has an unfair advantage since they will bring ALL 9 players as oppose to 7 from IM? Where is the outrage from this injustice. And yes, assuming the players are equally skilled, opponents, matchups and maps, etc do matter. But Nazgul also said, at the end of the day, you need your ace/code S player to step up. Let's say a NA GM player would join IM at SAn Fran, would they make them 8 man deep?
Any NA GM player is probably abit harsh, lol
But if you had a 'standard' code B-player, you can tell him to train and study for a month, specificly to kill a certain player on a certain map, they would be 8 man deep, yes
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On August 02 2012 03:16 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 23:32 Sroobz wrote:
Taeja is so obviously the best player in the world right now it's not even funny lol I can't imagine all the hype he'd be getting in this site had he won a GSL or some major tourney.
I think Taeja is a brilliant player but you can't call him the best player in the world if he can't deliver as consistently in LAN events. His online play is certainly "best player in the world" worthy from what I've seen, but as far as I know, it's pretty agreed upon that a player has to deliver consistently in LAN events to earn that title, and though Taeja is on his way to doing that (winning MLG Summer Arena is a great start), him being consistently stopped in the Ro8 of Code S puts a big hamper on the "best player in the world" argument. I expect him to only improve, though, so I can definitely see him truly earning the "best player in the world" title in the near-ish future.
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wow at the fanboyism here haha. let me add my own! :p
prime is not doing as well now as before, since they are all slumping a bit, but remember they still are a very strong team. they don't have the im gsl star power, but we all know how good the im star power has served them before. don't forget prime held the the triple teamleague crown for most of the year =)
prime is not the best team atm, but they are definitely still top tier
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On August 02 2012 02:43 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 00:37 Corrosive wrote:I still dont know if they can beat IM. they have been doing really well but IM is a totally different beast during this teamleague (seems like a direct opposite to their gstl record ) IM won't be bringing their full roster though. The list I've seen floating around earlier in this thread looks a whole tier below the full Slayers/Startale/Prime team. Found it: It's definitely good for Liquid to finally be on even terms when it comes to size of the roster. Doing in-depth research on all of these players is actually a possibility this time around, and it was incredibly difficult to do so far.
I know you're the most biased clueless Liquid fanboy around but that's IM's A Team minus Mvp, who's injured anyway.
IM will be favourites.
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On August 02 2012 08:34 opterown wrote:
wow at the fanboyism here haha. let me add my own! :p
prime is not doing as well now as before, since they are all slumping a bit, but remember they still are a very strong team. they don't have the im gsl star power, but we all know how good the im star power has served them before. don't forget prime held the the triple teamleague crown for most of the year =)
prime is not the best team atm, but they are definitely still top tier
Imo FXO, Slayers, Startale, TSL, Prime and IM are all as good as each other.
Fnatic, Liquid and NSHS are a level below that (mostly due to lack of depth) but more than capable of beating the above teams on their day.
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On August 02 2012 08:42 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 08:34 opterown wrote:
wow at the fanboyism here haha. let me add my own! :p
prime is not doing as well now as before, since they are all slumping a bit, but remember they still are a very strong team. they don't have the im gsl star power, but we all know how good the im star power has served them before. don't forget prime held the the triple teamleague crown for most of the year =)
prime is not the best team atm, but they are definitely still top tier Imo FXO, Slayers, Startale, TSL, Prime and IM are all as good as each other. Fnatic, Liquid and NSHS are a level below that (mostly due to lack of depth) but more than capable of beating the above teams on their day.
Eh
I don't feel like Slayers is the powerhouse they once were, although given that Genius is now on they may be able to have a resurgence. But only if other players like Ryung really really step it up.
I would go:
1. Startale- Deepest lineup, with players from all races of great calibar. Parting(PvT god), Curious(Zerg God), Bomber, Hack, Squirtle(Capable of beating any zerg), and with the acquisition of Zenex they now have Life and Line. Startale is #1 in my book.
2. FXO. They have three aces, that is, . FXO has Gumiho, Leenock, and Lucky, and everyone else is just side support. The aforementioned three are capable of leading a team when they need it, meaning that FXO is able to prepare snipers and matchup experts while having three incredible "Aces" in their own right. I feel that FXO Startale (incredible matchup btw) would be dependant on whether any of the above three can get rolling. I'm actually really tempted to put FXO #1 because of the strength of the above players, but due to Startale's depth and ability to "snipe" races(Parting vs T, Squirtle vs Z)
3.Slayers: Great lineup of players, but not the great depth we're used to. They've lost Taeja, but MMA is looking as a revival of his old self, and Cocoa and Min are showing some great play. The key factor in my book is Genius coming to Slayers, which sets them at #3.
4. Liquid. Literally because of Taeja.
5. Prime- Again due to their incredible lineup. Even If MKP was as utterly dominant as he was two months ago, they would have a rough time being considered the #1 team. Right now each of their players, while not "slumping," are definitely not playing at the calibar we're used to. Yes, they have 5 incredible players of MKP, Creator, Byun, and B4, but I feel that the above teams have players which shine above just "great", and can shine as legends when the teams require.
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On August 02 2012 09:09 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 08:42 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On August 02 2012 08:34 opterown wrote:
wow at the fanboyism here haha. let me add my own! :p
prime is not doing as well now as before, since they are all slumping a bit, but remember they still are a very strong team. they don't have the im gsl star power, but we all know how good the im star power has served them before. don't forget prime held the the triple teamleague crown for most of the year =)
prime is not the best team atm, but they are definitely still top tier Imo FXO, Slayers, Startale, TSL, Prime and IM are all as good as each other. Fnatic, Liquid and NSHS are a level below that (mostly due to lack of depth) but more than capable of beating the above teams on their day. Eh I don't feel like Slayers is the powerhouse they once were, although given that Genius is now on they may be able to have a resurgence. But only if other players like Ryung really really step it up. I would go: 1. Startale- Deepest lineup, with players from all races of great calibar. Parting(PvT god), Curious(Zerg God), Bomber, Hack, Squirtle(Capable of beating any zerg), and with the acquisition of Zenex they now have Life and Line. Startale is #1 in my book. 2. FXO. They have three aces, that is, . FXO has Gumiho, Leenock, and Lucky, and everyone else is just side support. The aforementioned three are capable of leading a team when they need it, meaning that FXO is able to prepare snipers and matchup experts while having three incredible "Aces" in their own right. I feel that FXO Startale (incredible matchup btw) would be dependant on whether any of the above three can get rolling. I'm actually really tempted to put FXO #1 because of the strength of the above players, but due to Startale's depth and ability to "snipe" races(Parting vs T, Squirtle vs Z) 3.Slayers: Great lineup of players, but not the great depth we're used to. They've lost Taeja, but MMA is looking as a revival of his old self, and Cocoa and Min are showing some great play. The key factor in my book is Genius coming to Slayers, which sets them at #3. 4. Liquid. Literally because of Taeja. 5. Prime- Again due to their incredible lineup. Even If MKP was as utterly dominant as he was two months ago, they would have a rough time being considered the #1 team. Right now each of their players, while not "slumping," are definitely not playing at the calibar we're used to. Yes, they have 5 incredible players of MKP, Creator, Byun, and B4, but I feel that the above teams have players which shine above just "great", and can shine as legends when the teams require.
Get off the hype train. Taeja's had a good few weeks. He's not the best player in the world yet. Prime are still a much better team than Liquid overall.
TSL and IM are also much better than Liquid.
Slayers have loads of depth too. Puzzle, Coca, Yugioh, MMA, Ryung, Alicia, Genius. That's 8 Code S level players right there, not to mention some solid B Teamers like Min, Brown, Miya.
I'd say only Startale have more depth and even they don't have 8 Code S level players.
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On August 02 2012 09:09 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 08:42 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On August 02 2012 08:34 opterown wrote:
wow at the fanboyism here haha. let me add my own! :p
prime is not doing as well now as before, since they are all slumping a bit, but remember they still are a very strong team. they don't have the im gsl star power, but we all know how good the im star power has served them before. don't forget prime held the the triple teamleague crown for most of the year =)
prime is not the best team atm, but they are definitely still top tier Imo FXO, Slayers, Startale, TSL, Prime and IM are all as good as each other. Fnatic, Liquid and NSHS are a level below that (mostly due to lack of depth) but more than capable of beating the above teams on their day. Eh I don't feel like Slayers is the powerhouse they once were, although given that Genius is now on they may be able to have a resurgence. But only if other players like Ryung really really step it up. I would go: 1. Startale- Deepest lineup, with players from all races of great calibar. Parting(PvT god), Curious(Zerg God), Bomber, Hack, Squirtle(Capable of beating any zerg), and with the acquisition of Zenex they now have Life and Line. Startale is #1 in my book. 2. FXO. They have three aces, that is, . FXO has Gumiho, Leenock, and Lucky, and everyone else is just side support. The aforementioned three are capable of leading a team when they need it, meaning that FXO is able to prepare snipers and matchup experts while having three incredible "Aces" in their own right. I feel that FXO Startale (incredible matchup btw) would be dependant on whether any of the above three can get rolling. I'm actually really tempted to put FXO #1 because of the strength of the above players, but due to Startale's depth and ability to "snipe" races(Parting vs T, Squirtle vs Z) 3.Slayers: Great lineup of players, but not the great depth we're used to. They've lost Taeja, but MMA is looking as a revival of his old self, and Cocoa and Min are showing some great play. The key factor in my book is Genius coming to Slayers, which sets them at #3. 4. Liquid. Literally because of Taeja. 5. Prime- Again due to their incredible lineup. Even If MKP was as utterly dominant as he was two months ago, they would have a rough time being considered the #1 team. Right now each of their players, while not "slumping," are definitely not playing at the calibar we're used to. Yes, they have 5 incredible players of MKP, Creator, Byun, and B4, but I feel that the above teams have players which shine above just "great", and can shine as legends when the teams require.
I think Prime's 5 are still stronger than FXO's aces. SlayerS and Prime are pretty comparable.
IM would be top team, but they don't perform for some reason.
StarTale I think is actually the strongest team on paper, I agree.
Liquid is like, 80% TaeJa dependant. I feel that MKP a few months ago was more dominant than TaeJa is currently (debatable of course, but MKP did just beat TaeJa 5-1 fairly recently).
Personal ranking:
StarTale = IM > Prime = SlayerS > FXO > MVP = TSL > NSH = Fnatic > Liquid
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On August 02 2012 09:16 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 09:09 Pandain wrote:On August 02 2012 08:42 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On August 02 2012 08:34 opterown wrote:
wow at the fanboyism here haha. let me add my own! :p
prime is not doing as well now as before, since they are all slumping a bit, but remember they still are a very strong team. they don't have the im gsl star power, but we all know how good the im star power has served them before. don't forget prime held the the triple teamleague crown for most of the year =)
prime is not the best team atm, but they are definitely still top tier Imo FXO, Slayers, Startale, TSL, Prime and IM are all as good as each other. Fnatic, Liquid and NSHS are a level below that (mostly due to lack of depth) but more than capable of beating the above teams on their day. Eh I don't feel like Slayers is the powerhouse they once were, although given that Genius is now on they may be able to have a resurgence. But only if other players like Ryung really really step it up. I would go: 1. Startale- Deepest lineup, with players from all races of great calibar. Parting(PvT god), Curious(Zerg God), Bomber, Hack, Squirtle(Capable of beating any zerg), and with the acquisition of Zenex they now have Life and Line. Startale is #1 in my book. 2. FXO. They have three aces, that is, . FXO has Gumiho, Leenock, and Lucky, and everyone else is just side support. The aforementioned three are capable of leading a team when they need it, meaning that FXO is able to prepare snipers and matchup experts while having three incredible "Aces" in their own right. I feel that FXO Startale (incredible matchup btw) would be dependant on whether any of the above three can get rolling. I'm actually really tempted to put FXO #1 because of the strength of the above players, but due to Startale's depth and ability to "snipe" races(Parting vs T, Squirtle vs Z) 3.Slayers: Great lineup of players, but not the great depth we're used to. They've lost Taeja, but MMA is looking as a revival of his old self, and Cocoa and Min are showing some great play. The key factor in my book is Genius coming to Slayers, which sets them at #3. 4. Liquid. Literally because of Taeja. 5. Prime- Again due to their incredible lineup. Even If MKP was as utterly dominant as he was two months ago, they would have a rough time being considered the #1 team. Right now each of their players, while not "slumping," are definitely not playing at the calibar we're used to. Yes, they have 5 incredible players of MKP, Creator, Byun, and B4, but I feel that the above teams have players which shine above just "great", and can shine as legends when the teams require. I think Prime's 5 are still stronger than FXO's aces. SlayerS and Prime are pretty comparable. IM would be top team, but they don't perform for some reason. StarTale I think is actually the strongest team on paper, I agree. Liquid is like, 80% TaeJa dependant. I feel that MKP a few months ago was more dominant than TaeJa is currently (debatable of course, but MKP did just beat TaeJa 5-1 fairly recently). Personal ranking: StarTale = IM > Prime = SlayerS > FXO > MVP = TSL > NSH = Fnatic > Liquid
Taeja is extremely overrated. He's won one MLG where most of the worlds best players (DRG, MKP, MC, Parting, Squirtle, Symbol, MVP, Nestea) didn't attend and played well in a few online games.
People are getting way too carried away by Taeja.
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On August 02 2012 09:21 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 09:16 opterown wrote:On August 02 2012 09:09 Pandain wrote:On August 02 2012 08:42 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On August 02 2012 08:34 opterown wrote:
wow at the fanboyism here haha. let me add my own! :p
prime is not doing as well now as before, since they are all slumping a bit, but remember they still are a very strong team. they don't have the im gsl star power, but we all know how good the im star power has served them before. don't forget prime held the the triple teamleague crown for most of the year =)
prime is not the best team atm, but they are definitely still top tier Imo FXO, Slayers, Startale, TSL, Prime and IM are all as good as each other. Fnatic, Liquid and NSHS are a level below that (mostly due to lack of depth) but more than capable of beating the above teams on their day. Eh I don't feel like Slayers is the powerhouse they once were, although given that Genius is now on they may be able to have a resurgence. But only if other players like Ryung really really step it up. I would go: 1. Startale- Deepest lineup, with players from all races of great calibar. Parting(PvT god), Curious(Zerg God), Bomber, Hack, Squirtle(Capable of beating any zerg), and with the acquisition of Zenex they now have Life and Line. Startale is #1 in my book. 2. FXO. They have three aces, that is, . FXO has Gumiho, Leenock, and Lucky, and everyone else is just side support. The aforementioned three are capable of leading a team when they need it, meaning that FXO is able to prepare snipers and matchup experts while having three incredible "Aces" in their own right. I feel that FXO Startale (incredible matchup btw) would be dependant on whether any of the above three can get rolling. I'm actually really tempted to put FXO #1 because of the strength of the above players, but due to Startale's depth and ability to "snipe" races(Parting vs T, Squirtle vs Z) 3.Slayers: Great lineup of players, but not the great depth we're used to. They've lost Taeja, but MMA is looking as a revival of his old self, and Cocoa and Min are showing some great play. The key factor in my book is Genius coming to Slayers, which sets them at #3. 4. Liquid. Literally because of Taeja. 5. Prime- Again due to their incredible lineup. Even If MKP was as utterly dominant as he was two months ago, they would have a rough time being considered the #1 team. Right now each of their players, while not "slumping," are definitely not playing at the calibar we're used to. Yes, they have 5 incredible players of MKP, Creator, Byun, and B4, but I feel that the above teams have players which shine above just "great", and can shine as legends when the teams require. I think Prime's 5 are still stronger than FXO's aces. SlayerS and Prime are pretty comparable. IM would be top team, but they don't perform for some reason. StarTale I think is actually the strongest team on paper, I agree. Liquid is like, 80% TaeJa dependant. I feel that MKP a few months ago was more dominant than TaeJa is currently (debatable of course, but MKP did just beat TaeJa 5-1 fairly recently). Personal ranking: StarTale = IM > Prime = SlayerS > FXO > MVP = TSL > NSH = Fnatic > Liquid Taeja is extremely overrated. He's won one MLG where most of the worlds best players (DRG, MKP, MC, Parting, Squirtle, Symbol, MVP, Nestea) didn't attend and played well in a few online games. People are getting way too carried away by Taeja.
Oh I think TaeJa is a bit overrated but he is still very very good :D
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Even though FXO won the GSTL finals, I'm still not very convinced they're the best team-league team or close to it, especially after how well they did at IPL TAC. Also, their players overall aren't very notable in comparison to most other teams. IM is also a hard one, because they've traditionally done horribly at team leagues even though they, on paper, should do much better. Right now, I'd do something like:
StarTale > Prime = SlayerS > MVP = TSL > FXO > Fnatic > NSH >= Liquid
with IM as the wild card, somewhere between Startale and FXO.
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SlayerS mistake was sending out Miya and Min. They should've gone with their stronger guys seeing as how they were that deep in the tournament :l
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On August 02 2012 11:21 Catatonic wrote:
SlayerS mistake was sending out Miya and Min. They should've gone with their stronger guys seeing as how they were that deep in the tournament :l
they would've had their reasons, not like they rolled a dice to send them out lol
On August 02 2012 10:29 NrGmonk wrote:
Even though FXO won the GSTL finals, I'm still not very convinced they're the best team-league team or close to it, especially after how well they did at IPL TAC. Also, their players overall aren't very notable in comparison to most other teams.
tear, gumi and leenock were very strong this season, they carried the team through their last 3 matches pretty much. it's the new oz/gumi/leenock combo haha. FXO also seems to be slowly coming out of their slump; their players are doing a bit better lately.
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TeaJa really saving the day almost every match
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On August 02 2012 03:36 vthree wrote:
Losira's Code S finals. - Did you notice I also stated his GSTL 4 kill (was overshadowed by Symbol's reverse all kill) and his destruction of Startale in this tournament
Yeah I did. Why do you ask?
On August 02 2012 03:36 vthree wrote:
First is not going to be much use vs Taeja? - Well, the ENTIRE PRIME team was USELESS vs Taeja.
Yes, but I can see at least 2 Prime players beating Taeja easily on a different day (especially in TvT), maybe 3 with Creator. So their team most definitely isn't useless against Taeja. I can't see First beating Taeja ever on the level he's playing right now.
On August 02 2012 03:36 vthree wrote:
lol, I think Symbol would rather play Parting and Byun would rather play Squirtle. Gumiho would love Puzzle as well.
Why would you think that? Because of the results of one tournament, or in Gumiho's case one game? I'm pretty sure none of those are true.
Seed beat MC 4-1 in PvP finals - do you think that makes him favored against MC in a future series? Seed isn't an automatic favorite against any player he's knocked out in GSL, and isn't suddenly more threatening than top P on Startale/Slayers and maybe even Creator.
Winning a GSL doesn't actually bestow godly powers on a player. He's still pretty much the same player he was a month or two ago, especially when it comes to his fundamentals. Also there is a big preparation factor in the GSL and it remains to be seen how big of a role that played in Seed's GSL run.
On August 02 2012 03:36 vthree wrote:
Did you read your own post? You compared Seed to Puzzle (Slayers) and Startale Protoss AND you compare Yoda/Happy to Byun/Maru/MKP (PRIME). You realise these players are from DIFFERENT teams, right? And yes, if you make an All-Star team of GSL players, they are deeper than IM.
I was just being lazy. I don't see Yoda/Happy as a superior Terran pair than any of the 3 teams in question, and I only see IM's Protoss line (without MC) being superior to Prime's (which is basically Creator). Even for Zergs it would still be close with Life+Curious on the ST end and Coca alone on Slayers.
Let's also not forget that Slayers also has a bunch of guys who seem to focus heavily on team league preparation and always do well.
So yeah, maybe I added Prime too hastily on that list based on my impression of them 4-5 months ago. Still arguing that IM without Mvp and MC (who's basically on their team) isn't a tier below a full Startale and Slayers team is quite far fetched. Especially in team league environment.
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