I have to say, I thought that even after their recent shattering loss in GSTL, Slayers would still demolish Liquid. Seems like I was wrong... TaeJa too strong.
On August 02 2012 00:37 Corrosive wrote: I still dont know if they can beat IM. they have been doing really well but IM is a totally different beast during this teamleague (seems like a direct opposite to their gstl record )
IM won't be bringing their full roster though. The list I've seen floating around earlier in this thread looks a whole tier below the full Slayers/Startale/Prime team.
It's definitely good for Liquid to finally be on even terms when it comes to size of the roster. Doing in-depth research on all of these players is actually a possibility this time around, and it was incredibly difficult to do so far.
lol,
Nestea - 3 time GSL champ Yoda - only player to go straight from Code B to Code S this season (no up and downs), 6 Killed ST earlier this year Yonghwa - #2 HSC, qualified WCG Ro16 First - 3rd MLG Arena Happy - SF GSL Seed - Won the most recent GSL LosirA - Code S finalists, 4 killed TSL in GSTL, multiple kills is IPL TAC
And this roster does not compare to Prime, ST, Slayers?
On August 02 2012 00:37 Corrosive wrote: I still dont know if they can beat IM. they have been doing really well but IM is a totally different beast during this teamleague (seems like a direct opposite to their gstl record )
IM won't be bringing their full roster though. The list I've seen floating around earlier in this thread looks a whole tier below the full Slayers/Startale/Prime team.
It's definitely good for Liquid to finally be on even terms when it comes to size of the roster. Doing in-depth research on all of these players is actually a possibility this time around, and it was incredibly difficult to do so far.
lol,
Nestea - 3 time GSL champ Yoda - only player to go straight from Code B to Code S this season (no up and downs), 6 Killed ST earlier this year Yonghwa - #2 HSC, qualified WCG Ro16 First - 3rd MLG Arena Happy - SF GSL Seed - Won the most recent GSL LosirA - Code S finalists, 4 killed TSL in GSTL, multiple kills is IPL TAC
And this roster does not compare to Prime, ST, Slayers?
Yeah, and more than half of those facts are completely irrelevant right now. Anything not Seed or Losira on that list is nowhere near as scary as what Slayers/Prime/Startale had on their rosters.
Prime and Startale have unexpectedly failed in the teamleagues recently, but they definitely have more depth and more currently in-shape and dangerous players. I would still say they're the top 2 teams in the world right now easy. Startale in particular is a freaking juggernaut, they can make 3 teams and have all 3 compete for any team league.
On August 02 2012 00:37 Corrosive wrote: I still dont know if they can beat IM. they have been doing really well but IM is a totally different beast during this teamleague (seems like a direct opposite to their gstl record )
IM won't be bringing their full roster though. The list I've seen floating around earlier in this thread looks a whole tier below the full Slayers/Startale/Prime team.
It's definitely good for Liquid to finally be on even terms when it comes to size of the roster. Doing in-depth research on all of these players is actually a possibility this time around, and it was incredibly difficult to do so far.
lol,
Nestea - 3 time GSL champ Yoda - only player to go straight from Code B to Code S this season (no up and downs), 6 Killed ST earlier this year Yonghwa - #2 HSC, qualified WCG Ro16 First - 3rd MLG Arena Happy - SF GSL Seed - Won the most recent GSL LosirA - Code S finalists, 4 killed TSL in GSTL, multiple kills is IPL TAC
And this roster does not compare to Prime, ST, Slayers?
Yeah, and more than half of those facts are completely irrelevant right now. Anything not Seed or Losira on that list is nowhere near as scary as what Slayers/Prime/Startale had on their rosters.
Prime and Startale have unexpectedly failed in the teamleagues recently, but they definitely have more depth and more currently in-shape and dangerous players. I would still say they're the top 2 teams in the world right now easy. Startale in particular is a freaking juggernaut, they can make 3 teams and have all 3 compete for any team league.
More than half? Do you know how to count? I can only see Nestea and Happy as the ones you cannot count 'recently'.
On August 02 2012 00:37 Corrosive wrote: I still dont know if they can beat IM. they have been doing really well but IM is a totally different beast during this teamleague (seems like a direct opposite to their gstl record )
IM won't be bringing their full roster though. The list I've seen floating around earlier in this thread looks a whole tier below the full Slayers/Startale/Prime team.
It's definitely good for Liquid to finally be on even terms when it comes to size of the roster. Doing in-depth research on all of these players is actually a possibility this time around, and it was incredibly difficult to do so far.
lol,
Nestea - 3 time GSL champ Yoda - only player to go straight from Code B to Code S this season (no up and downs), 6 Killed ST earlier this year Yonghwa - #2 HSC, qualified WCG Ro16 First - 3rd MLG Arena Happy - SF GSL Seed - Won the most recent GSL LosirA - Code S finalists, 4 killed TSL in GSTL, multiple kills is IPL TAC
And this roster does not compare to Prime, ST, Slayers?
Yeah, and more than half of those facts are completely irrelevant right now. Anything not Seed or Losira on that list is nowhere near as scary as what Slayers/Prime/Startale had on their rosters.
Prime and Startale have unexpectedly failed in the teamleagues recently, but they definitely have more depth and more currently in-shape and dangerous players. I would still say they're the top 2 teams in the world right now easy. Startale in particular is a freaking juggernaut, they can make 3 teams and have all 3 compete for any team league.
More than half? Do you know how to count? I can only see Nestea and Happy as the ones you cannot count 'recently'.
Losira's Code S finals. Also, it's not only a matter of time.
For example, PvT builds that First rode to 3rd place MLG arena aren't going to be of much use against someone like Taeja or in another matchup. Seed is somewhat of a Jjakji-class GSL winner - I'm pretty sure that most T/Z would still rather play Seed than Puzzle or the Startale Protosses, given a choice. Yoda/Happy are also no Byun/Maru/MKP.
On August 02 2012 00:37 Corrosive wrote: I still dont know if they can beat IM. they have been doing really well but IM is a totally different beast during this teamleague (seems like a direct opposite to their gstl record )
IM won't be bringing their full roster though. The list I've seen floating around earlier in this thread looks a whole tier below the full Slayers/Startale/Prime team.
It's definitely good for Liquid to finally be on even terms when it comes to size of the roster. Doing in-depth research on all of these players is actually a possibility this time around, and it was incredibly difficult to do so far.
lol,
Nestea - 3 time GSL champ Yoda - only player to go straight from Code B to Code S this season (no up and downs), 6 Killed ST earlier this year Yonghwa - #2 HSC, qualified WCG Ro16 First - 3rd MLG Arena Happy - SF GSL Seed - Won the most recent GSL LosirA - Code S finalists, 4 killed TSL in GSTL, multiple kills is IPL TAC
And this roster does not compare to Prime, ST, Slayers?
Yeah, and more than half of those facts are completely irrelevant right now. Anything not Seed or Losira on that list is nowhere near as scary as what Slayers/Prime/Startale had on their rosters.
Prime and Startale have unexpectedly failed in the teamleagues recently, but they definitely have more depth and more currently in-shape and dangerous players. I would still say they're the top 2 teams in the world right now easy. Startale in particular is a freaking juggernaut, they can make 3 teams and have all 3 compete for any team league.
Im sorry but IM has the bset team right now. Lets look at their 5 best players
IM_MVP IM_NESTEA IM_SEED IM_LOSIRA SK_MC
Thats strongest team ive ever HEARD OF. Now, lets talk about startale top 5
On August 02 2012 00:37 Corrosive wrote: I still dont know if they can beat IM. they have been doing really well but IM is a totally different beast during this teamleague (seems like a direct opposite to their gstl record )
IM won't be bringing their full roster though. The list I've seen floating around earlier in this thread looks a whole tier below the full Slayers/Startale/Prime team.
It's definitely good for Liquid to finally be on even terms when it comes to size of the roster. Doing in-depth research on all of these players is actually a possibility this time around, and it was incredibly difficult to do so far.
lol,
Nestea - 3 time GSL champ Yoda - only player to go straight from Code B to Code S this season (no up and downs), 6 Killed ST earlier this year Yonghwa - #2 HSC, qualified WCG Ro16 First - 3rd MLG Arena Happy - SF GSL Seed - Won the most recent GSL LosirA - Code S finalists, 4 killed TSL in GSTL, multiple kills is IPL TAC
And this roster does not compare to Prime, ST, Slayers?
Yeah, and more than half of those facts are completely irrelevant right now. Anything not Seed or Losira on that list is nowhere near as scary as what Slayers/Prime/Startale had on their rosters.
Prime and Startale have unexpectedly failed in the teamleagues recently, but they definitely have more depth and more currently in-shape and dangerous players. I would still say they're the top 2 teams in the world right now easy. Startale in particular is a freaking juggernaut, they can make 3 teams and have all 3 compete for any team league.
More than half? Do you know how to count? I can only see Nestea and Happy as the ones you cannot count 'recently'.
PRIME? They did not make the finals of this tournament nor GSTL? Byun was their only hope in GSL and did you see what happened to him after he got owned by Seed? Creator is still an online BEAST who can't seem to break through in offline events. Please stop being a fanboy. MKP is a great player but not enough on his own.
ST? Yoda 6 kills them a few months ago. First+ LosirA did it again this tournament. Squirtle + Parting were GSL hopefuls. Seed actually WON the GSL. Bomber is the second best terran on the team behind Hack.
And in terms of depth, ST is the only team on par with IM.
Talin you are being silly right now. IM 5 - 1 Slayers IM 5-2 Startale Seed, Losira are on fire lately.
You started this whole discussion saying that IM is a full tier under Startale and Slayers. Just silly.
IM is only missing MVP, and Nestea is a bit out of form. But they are not weaker than Slayers or Startale. And you counterargument is that IM players are underperforming lately? Compared to invidual results of Slayers and Startale?
Come on....
EDIT: Making dumb statements to attentionwhore is something we all do from time to time. But don't be a silly attentionwhore.
On August 02 2012 00:37 Corrosive wrote: I still dont know if they can beat IM. they have been doing really well but IM is a totally different beast during this teamleague (seems like a direct opposite to their gstl record )
IM won't be bringing their full roster though. The list I've seen floating around earlier in this thread looks a whole tier below the full Slayers/Startale/Prime team.
It's definitely good for Liquid to finally be on even terms when it comes to size of the roster. Doing in-depth research on all of these players is actually a possibility this time around, and it was incredibly difficult to do so far.
lol,
Nestea - 3 time GSL champ Yoda - only player to go straight from Code B to Code S this season (no up and downs), 6 Killed ST earlier this year Yonghwa - #2 HSC, qualified WCG Ro16 First - 3rd MLG Arena Happy - SF GSL Seed - Won the most recent GSL LosirA - Code S finalists, 4 killed TSL in GSTL, multiple kills is IPL TAC
And this roster does not compare to Prime, ST, Slayers?
Yeah, and more than half of those facts are completely irrelevant right now. Anything not Seed or Losira on that list is nowhere near as scary as what Slayers/Prime/Startale had on their rosters.
Prime and Startale have unexpectedly failed in the teamleagues recently, but they definitely have more depth and more currently in-shape and dangerous players. I would still say they're the top 2 teams in the world right now easy. Startale in particular is a freaking juggernaut, they can make 3 teams and have all 3 compete for any team league.
More than half? Do you know how to count? I can only see Nestea and Happy as the ones you cannot count 'recently'.
Losira's Code S finals. Also, it's not only a matter of time.
For example, PvT builds that First rode to 3rd place MLG arena aren't going to be of much use against someone like Taeja or in another matchup. Seed is somewhat of a Jjakji-class GSL winner - I'm pretty sure that most T/Z would still rather play Seed than Puzzle or the Startale Protosses, given a choice. Yoda/Happy are also no Byun/Maru/MKP.
On August 02 2012 03:28 Koshi wrote: Talin you are being silly right now. IM 5 - 1 Slayers IM 5-2 Startale Seed, Losira are on fire lately.
You started this whole discussion saying that IM is a full tier under Startale and Slayers. Just silly.
IM is only missing MVP, and Nestea is a bit out of form. But they are not weaker than Slayers or Startale. And you counterargument is that IM players are underperforming lately? Compared to invidual results of Slayers and Startale?
Come on....
EDIT: Making dumb statements to attentionwhore is something we all do from time to time. But don't be a silly attentionwhore.
I thought SK's involvement with IM in teamleagues were for GSTL exclusively? MC won't be in IM's IPLTAC livesquad from what I've heard
On August 02 2012 03:28 Koshi wrote: Talin you are being silly right now. IM 5 - 1 Slayers IM 5-2 Startale Seed, Losira are on fire lately.
You started this whole discussion saying that IM is a full tier under Startale and Slayers. Just silly.
IM is only missing MVP, and Nestea is a bit out of form. But they are not weaker than Slayers or Startale. And you counterargument is that IM players are underperforming lately? Compared to invidual results of Slayers and Startale?
Come on....
EDIT: Making dumb statements to attentionwhore is something we all do from time to time. But don't be a silly attentionwhore.
I thought SK's involvement with IM in teamleagues were for GSTL exclusively? MC won't be in IM's IPLTAC livesquad from what I've heard
I might be wrong though, just how I understood it
They've sent out MC before, but it seems they're not sending him to the finals.
On August 02 2012 00:37 Corrosive wrote: I still dont know if they can beat IM. they have been doing really well but IM is a totally different beast during this teamleague (seems like a direct opposite to their gstl record )
IM won't be bringing their full roster though. The list I've seen floating around earlier in this thread looks a whole tier below the full Slayers/Startale/Prime team.
It's definitely good for Liquid to finally be on even terms when it comes to size of the roster. Doing in-depth research on all of these players is actually a possibility this time around, and it was incredibly difficult to do so far.
lol,
Nestea - 3 time GSL champ Yoda - only player to go straight from Code B to Code S this season (no up and downs), 6 Killed ST earlier this year Yonghwa - #2 HSC, qualified WCG Ro16 First - 3rd MLG Arena Happy - SF GSL Seed - Won the most recent GSL LosirA - Code S finalists, 4 killed TSL in GSTL, multiple kills is IPL TAC
And this roster does not compare to Prime, ST, Slayers?
Yeah, and more than half of those facts are completely irrelevant right now. Anything not Seed or Losira on that list is nowhere near as scary as what Slayers/Prime/Startale had on their rosters.
Prime and Startale have unexpectedly failed in the teamleagues recently, but they definitely have more depth and more currently in-shape and dangerous players. I would still say they're the top 2 teams in the world right now easy. Startale in particular is a freaking juggernaut, they can make 3 teams and have all 3 compete for any team league.
More than half? Do you know how to count? I can only see Nestea and Happy as the ones you cannot count 'recently'.
Losira's Code S finals. Also, it's not only a matter of time.
For example, PvT builds that First rode to 3rd place MLG arena aren't going to be of much use against someone like Taeja or in another matchup. Seed is somewhat of a Jjakji-class GSL winner - I'm pretty sure that most T/Z would still rather play Seed than Puzzle or the Startale Protosses, given a choice. Yoda/Happy are also no Byun/Maru/MKP.
lol, thanks.
Let's take a look at your 'arguement' one by one
Losira's Code S finals. - Did you notice I also stated his GSTL 4 kill (was overshadowed by Symbol's reverse all kill) and his destruction of Startale in this tournament?
First is not going to be much use vs Taeja? - Well, the ENTIRE PRIME team was USELESS vs Taeja.
lol, I think Symbol would rather play Parting and Byun would rather play Squirtle. Gumiho would love Puzzle as well. Did you read your own post? You compared Seed to Puzzle (Slayers) and Startale Protoss AND you compare Yoda/Happy to Byun/Maru/MKP (PRIME). You realise these players are from DIFFERENT teams, right? And yes, if you make an All-Star team of GSL players, they are deeper than IM.
On August 02 2012 03:28 Koshi wrote: Talin you are being silly right now. IM 5 - 1 Slayers IM 5-2 Startale Seed, Losira are on fire lately.
You started this whole discussion saying that IM is a full tier under Startale and Slayers. Just silly.
IM is only missing MVP, and Nestea is a bit out of form. But they are not weaker than Slayers or Startale. And you counterargument is that IM players are underperforming lately? Compared to invidual results of Slayers and Startale?
Come on....
EDIT: Making dumb statements to attentionwhore is something we all do from time to time. But don't be a silly attentionwhore.
I thought SK's involvement with IM in teamleagues were for GSTL exclusively? MC won't be in IM's IPLTAC livesquad from what I've heard
I might be wrong though, just how I understood it
They've sent out MC before, but it seems they're not sending him to the finals.
Well, with that in mind and not having their usual depth of roster which is what Talin is commenting, I think his argument holds; Granted, the players they are sending are scary as fuck - But it's not 12 possible snipers AND the Code S stars as it is 'online'.
On August 02 2012 03:28 Koshi wrote: Talin you are being silly right now. IM 5 - 1 Slayers IM 5-2 Startale Seed, Losira are on fire lately.
You started this whole discussion saying that IM is a full tier under Startale and Slayers. Just silly.
IM is only missing MVP, and Nestea is a bit out of form. But they are not weaker than Slayers or Startale. And you counterargument is that IM players are underperforming lately? Compared to invidual results of Slayers and Startale?
Come on....
EDIT: Making dumb statements to attentionwhore is something we all do from time to time. But don't be a silly attentionwhore.
I thought SK's involvement with IM in teamleagues were for GSTL exclusively? MC won't be in IM's IPLTAC livesquad from what I've heard
I might be wrong though, just how I understood it
They've sent out MC before, but it seems they're not sending him to the finals.
Well, with that in mind and not having their usual depth of roster which is what Talin is commenting, I think his argument holds; Granted, the players they are sending are scary as fuck - But it's not 12 possible snipers AND the Code S stars as it is 'online'.
Sorry, it doesn't hold AT ALL. 7 players is more than enough for Bo9 team league. And his argument is that PRIME and ST are a tier HIGHER then those 7.
What? PRIME is basically MKP, Creator, Byun,....., Maru, BBBB, ... Classic, Salmosa?
Well at least it might be interesting having in this team league finals. With Taeja as their only opponent their coach really can't screw things up too much, all he has to do is keep throwing wave after wave of progamers at taeja until he reaches his kill limit, brannigan style. Hope for his sake Taeja actually has a kill limit, 'cos right now it really doesn't seem like he can be stopped.
On August 02 2012 03:28 Koshi wrote: Talin you are being silly right now. IM 5 - 1 Slayers IM 5-2 Startale Seed, Losira are on fire lately.
You started this whole discussion saying that IM is a full tier under Startale and Slayers. Just silly.
IM is only missing MVP, and Nestea is a bit out of form. But they are not weaker than Slayers or Startale. And you counterargument is that IM players are underperforming lately? Compared to invidual results of Slayers and Startale?
Come on....
EDIT: Making dumb statements to attentionwhore is something we all do from time to time. But don't be a silly attentionwhore.
I thought SK's involvement with IM in teamleagues were for GSTL exclusively? MC won't be in IM's IPLTAC livesquad from what I've heard
I might be wrong though, just how I understood it
They've sent out MC before, but it seems they're not sending him to the finals.
Well, with that in mind and not having their usual depth of roster which is what Talin is commenting, I think his argument holds; Granted, the players they are sending are scary as fuck - But it's not 12 possible snipers AND the Code S stars as it is 'online'.
Sorry, it doesn't hold AT ALL. 7 players is more than enough for Bo9 team league. And his argument is that PRIME and ST are a tier HIGHER then those 7.
What? PRIME is basically MKP, Creator, Byun,....., Maru, BBBB, ... Classic, Salmosa?
Sure, 7 players is enough - 1 is enough! - But what the original argument, that a full StarTale lineup online:
AcE Avenge Bomber Curious Hack Harrier July Life PartinG Sound Squirtle SuHoSin TREME Virus
Is scarier than this particular lineup, which is what IM will be sending:
NesTea YoDa YongHwa First Happy Seed LosirA
I completely agree with you, that IM even here, has the most accomplished (In SC2 ) players, even only with these seven, but in this particular format, I would rather face these seven, than the 14 of Startale, simply based on how the allkill format works, with the time available for the teams to prepare snipers and so on.
So it's about depth of the roster, which is quite a factor; see the Nazgul AMA about his thoughts on the challenges that this sometimes gives Liquid in this type of tournament.
On August 02 2012 03:28 Koshi wrote: Talin you are being silly right now. IM 5 - 1 Slayers IM 5-2 Startale Seed, Losira are on fire lately.
You started this whole discussion saying that IM is a full tier under Startale and Slayers. Just silly.
IM is only missing MVP, and Nestea is a bit out of form. But they are not weaker than Slayers or Startale. And you counterargument is that IM players are underperforming lately? Compared to invidual results of Slayers and Startale?
Come on....
EDIT: Making dumb statements to attentionwhore is something we all do from time to time. But don't be a silly attentionwhore.
I thought SK's involvement with IM in teamleagues were for GSTL exclusively? MC won't be in IM's IPLTAC livesquad from what I've heard
I might be wrong though, just how I understood it
They've sent out MC before, but it seems they're not sending him to the finals.
Well, with that in mind and not having their usual depth of roster which is what Talin is commenting, I think his argument holds; Granted, the players they are sending are scary as fuck - But it's not 12 possible snipers AND the Code S stars as it is 'online'.
Sorry, it doesn't hold AT ALL. 7 players is more than enough for Bo9 team league. And his argument is that PRIME and ST are a tier HIGHER then those 7.
What? PRIME is basically MKP, Creator, Byun,....., Maru, BBBB, ... Classic, Salmosa?
Sure, 7 players is enough - 1 is enough! - But what the original argument, that a full StarTale lineup online:
AcE Avenge Bomber Curious Hack Harrier July Life PartinG Sound Squirtle SuHoSin TREME Virus
Is scarier than this particular lineup, which is what IM will be sending:
NesTea YoDa YongHwa First Happy Seed LosirA
I completely agree with you, that IM even here, has the most accomplished (In SC2 ) players, even only with these seven, but in this particular format, I would rather face these seven, than the 14 of Startale, simply based on how the allkill format works, with the time available for the teams to prepare snipers and so on.
So it's about depth of the roster, which is quite a factor; see the Nazgul AMA about his thoughts on the challenges that this sometimes gives Liquid in this type of tournament.
And PRIME?
Let's look at ST's lineup and there 5 player possibilities assuming everything is on the line.
Squirtle and Parting will BOTH be played. Curious or Life will be the sent. Bomber or Hack will be sent.
And for your last spot, you have Curious/Life, Bomber/Hack, Ace, Sound? So at best, ST is 8 man deep when playing in a finals.