[IPL] TAC3: SlayerS vs Liquid Loser Final (Day 45) - Page 75

On August 02 2012 02:20 TehTemplar wrote:

I think they were missing taeja one or two matches

On August 02 2012 02:43 Talin wrote:


IM won't be bringing their full roster though. The list I've seen floating around earlier in this thread looks a whole tier below the full Slayers/Startale/Prime team.

Found it:



It's definitely good for Liquid to finally be on even terms when it comes to size of the roster. Doing in-depth research on all of these players is actually a possibility this time around, and it was incredibly difficult to do so far.

On August 02 2012 02:56 vthree wrote:


lol,

Nestea - 3 time GSL champ
Yoda - only player to go straight from Code B to Code S this season (no up and downs), 6 Killed ST earlier this year
Yonghwa - #2 HSC, qualified WCG Ro16
First - 3rd MLG Arena
Happy - SF GSL
Seed - Won the most recent GSL
LosirA - Code S finalists, 4 killed TSL in GSTL, multiple kills is IPL TAC

And this roster does not compare to Prime, ST, Slayers?

On August 01 2012 15:18 Havik_ wrote:


Not much else to say. Its the truth.

On August 02 2012 03:03 Talin wrote:


Yeah, and more than half of those facts are completely irrelevant right now. Anything not Seed or Losira on that list is nowhere near as scary as what Slayers/Prime/Startale had on their rosters.

Prime and Startale have unexpectedly failed in the teamleagues recently, but they definitely have more depth and more currently in-shape and dangerous players. I would still say they're the top 2 teams in the world right now easy. Startale in particular is a freaking juggernaut, they can make 3 teams and have all 3 compete for any team league.

On August 01 2012 23:32 Sroobz wrote:
Taeja is so obviously the best player in the world right now it's not even funny lol

On August 02 2012 03:14 vthree wrote:



More than half? Do you know how to count? I can only see Nestea and Happy as the ones you cannot count 'recently'.

On August 02 2012 03:03 Talin wrote:


Yeah, and more than half of those facts are completely irrelevant right now. Anything not Seed or Losira on that list is nowhere near as scary as what Slayers/Prime/Startale had on their rosters.

Prime and Startale have unexpectedly failed in the teamleagues recently, but they definitely have more depth and more currently in-shape and dangerous players. I would still say they're the top 2 teams in the world right now easy. Startale in particular is a freaking juggernaut, they can make 3 teams and have all 3 compete for any team league.

On August 02 2012 03:14 vthree wrote:



More than half? Do you know how to count? I can only see Nestea and Happy as the ones you cannot count 'recently'.

On August 02 2012 03:23 Talin wrote:


Losira's Code S finals. Also, it's not only a matter of time.

For example, PvT builds that First rode to 3rd place MLG arena aren't going to be of much use against someone like Taeja or in another matchup. Seed is somewhat of a Jjakji-class GSL winner - I'm pretty sure that most T/Z would still rather play Seed than Puzzle or the Startale Protosses, given a choice. Yoda/Happy are also no Byun/Maru/MKP.

On August 02 2012 03:28 Koshi wrote:
Talin you are being silly right now.
IM 5 - 1 Slayers
IM 5-2 Startale
Seed, Losira are on fire lately.

You started this whole discussion saying that IM is a full tier under Startale and Slayers.
Just silly.

IM is only missing MVP, and Nestea is a bit out of form. But they are not weaker than Slayers or Startale. And you counterargument is that IM players are underperforming lately? Compared to invidual results of Slayers and Startale?

Come on....


EDIT: Making dumb statements to attentionwhore is something we all do from time to time. But don't be a silly attentionwhore.

On August 02 2012 03:31 ELA wrote:


I thought SK's involvement with IM in teamleagues were for GSTL exclusively? MC won't be in IM's IPLTAC livesquad from what I've heard

I might be wrong though, just how I understood it

On August 02 2012 03:23 Talin wrote:


Losira's Code S finals. Also, it's not only a matter of time.

For example, PvT builds that First rode to 3rd place MLG arena aren't going to be of much use against someone like Taeja or in another matchup. Seed is somewhat of a Jjakji-class GSL winner - I'm pretty sure that most T/Z would still rather play Seed than Puzzle or the Startale Protosses, given a choice. Yoda/Happy are also no Byun/Maru/MKP.

On August 02 2012 03:34 ZAiNs wrote:

They've sent out MC before, but it seems they're not sending him to the finals.

On August 02 2012 03:38 ELA wrote:


Well, with that in mind and not having their usual depth of roster which is what Talin is commenting, I think his argument holds; Granted, the players they are sending are scary as fuck - But it's not 12 possible snipers AND the Code S stars as it is 'online'.

On August 02 2012 03:50 vthree wrote:


Sorry, it doesn't hold AT ALL. 7 players is more than enough for Bo9 team league. And his argument is that PRIME and ST are a tier HIGHER then those 7.

What? PRIME is basically MKP, Creator, Byun,....., Maru, BBBB, ... Classic, Salmosa?

On August 02 2012 04:03 ELA wrote:


Sure, 7 players is enough - 1 is enough! - But what the original argument, that a full StarTale lineup online:

AcE
Avenge
Bomber
Curious
Hack
Harrier
July
Life
PartinG
Sound
Squirtle
SuHoSin
TREME
Virus


Is scarier than this particular lineup, which is what IM will be sending:

NesTea
YoDa
YongHwa
First
Happy
Seed
LosirA

I completely agree with you, that IM even here, has the most accomplished (In SC2 ) players, even only with these seven, but in this particular format, I would rather face these seven, than the 14 of Startale, simply based on how the allkill format works, with the time available for the teams to prepare snipers and so on.

So it's about depth of the roster, which is quite a factor; see the Nazgul AMA about his thoughts on the challenges that this sometimes gives Liquid in this type of tournament.