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On July 23 2012 14:22 0neder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 14:17 OptimusYale wrote:
the commentators do NOT come from a BW background
As a Starcraft fan, this really turns me off. I didn't know this until tonight. Post-BW SC fans can call me a jaded sentimentalist all they want, but at least Tasteless and Artosis were top players at one time and understand the heritage of competitive SC.
But the heritage is irrelevant to the current games. A player might have been great at BW, but if he isn't good at SC2 does it really matter going forward?
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On July 23 2012 14:26 MCXD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 14:22 0neder wrote:On July 23 2012 14:17 OptimusYale wrote:
the commentators do NOT come from a BW background
As a Starcraft fan, this really turns me off. I didn't know this until tonight. Post-BW SC fans can call me a jaded sentimentalist all they want, but at least Tasteless and Artosis were top players at one time and understand the heritage of competitive SC. Tasteless and Artosis are also incredibly out of touch with the last 2 years of BW, and barely seem to know what's going on in the SC2 world at times *shot*
I don't blame them, you can't completely feign love for SC2 in it's current state given their affection for BW (move across the world and sleep on the floor to get involved).
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On July 23 2012 14:26 Ziem wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 14:22 0neder wrote:On July 23 2012 14:17 OptimusYale wrote:
the commentators do NOT come from a BW background
As a Starcraft fan, this really turns me off. I didn't know this until tonight. Post-BW SC fans can call me a jaded sentimentalist all they want, but at least Tasteless and Artosis were top players at one time and understand the heritage of competitive SC. But the heritage is irrelevant to the current games. A player might have been great at BW, but if he isn't good at SC2 does it really matter going forward?
I only watch commentators that started with Warcraft 1, everyone else is a newb
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On July 23 2012 14:23 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 14:21 Fionn wrote:
I actually like Khaldor having no experience with BW. We already have 90% of the main commentators knowing these guys as total Gods and players who were amazing at Brood War, and Khaldor is treating these guys like they are new players in Code A he has never seen before. When Bisu played laughably bad yesterday, he said it.
It's nice to have commentators that know every single KESPA player and how they were in Brood War, but I like Khaldor having no prior knowledge and judging each player on their SC2 merits. This, Khaldor is giving a very neutral reaction towards Kespa players, he's not having any bias towards GSL or Kespa, basically stating as how it states it, he praises players when needed (ZerO, Flash and Jangbi notably from yesterday)< and he criticizes players when needed (Soulkey, Bisu etc), he's had a good assessment overall.
Agreed, Khaldor has his faults, but his treatment of this is event is very nice. Although a lot of that might be that he can't research all the players like he usually does (since he doesn't have a whole lot of time to prep because he doesn't know what will be casted). It's also kinda funny to see him shit on players of Bisu's quality because most people wouldn't dream of doing it, even though he deserved it.
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is this the first GOM vs GOM game they've shown?
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On July 23 2012 14:21 Fionn wrote:
I actually like Khaldor having no experience with BW. We already have 90% of the main commentators knowing these guys as total Gods and players who were amazing at Brood War, and Khaldor is treating these guys like they are new players in Code A he has never seen before. When Bisu played laughably bad yesterday, he said it.
It's nice to have commentators that know every single KESPA player and how they were in Brood War, but I like Khaldor having no prior knowledge and judging each player on their SC2 merits.
As a 'new'-starcraft fan (sc2) that's how I treat them pretty much. It also means that when I see players do well (Flash, Light, Zero) I can be impressed without bias sending me on the defensive or offensive like a lot of people hehe. But I think most sc2 and BW fans already know exactly where the 'new' players are and that's only a matter of time until the division is actually a "thing".
I also like that Khaldor has little-to-no knowledge of the players, though it's good if something like that is partnered with someone who knows why they are a big deal. Getting a history of these players is something that is good for discussion in casts in downtime.
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I hope sC makes it. He used to be really good but kept having to be hospitalized for that pneumothorax :/
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On July 23 2012 14:26 Switters wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 14:25 Itsmedudeman wrote:On July 23 2012 14:22 IshinShishi wrote:On July 23 2012 14:16 Heavenlee wrote:On July 23 2012 14:14 0neder wrote:On July 23 2012 14:11 IshinShishi wrote:
If anything Wolf is praising him too much, wolf never gave any player as much respect(apart from FXO players) as he is giving jangbi now. Well, given that Jangbi probably is one of the top 3 protoss players to ever move a mouse, I have absolutely no problem with that. Better than casters going crazy over another blink + ramp forcefield all-in like it's something that takes a super-human amount of ability. And Flash is probably the best terran player to ever move a mouse, should Wolf never hint that any action Flash does is questionable in SC2? You people are annoying, wow. He literally praised Jangbi by saying he was impressed with his play in sc2 and you are mad that what Wolf said "should be obvious". Just wow, that's some elitism right there. Besides, Jangbi has no place among Bisu, Stork and Nal_Ra. Yeah, he's better than all of them. Really, you're saying Jangbi is better than Nal_Ra?
I know man, Jangbi better than the Dreamer?
Blasphemy!
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On July 23 2012 14:26 Ziem wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 14:22 0neder wrote:On July 23 2012 14:17 OptimusYale wrote:
the commentators do NOT come from a BW background
As a Starcraft fan, this really turns me off. I didn't know this until tonight. Post-BW SC fans can call me a jaded sentimentalist all they want, but at least Tasteless and Artosis were top players at one time and understand the heritage of competitive SC. But the heritage is irrelevant to the current games. A player might have been great at BW, but if he isn't good at SC2 does it really matter going forward?
Is it irrelevant? It was so relevant they had to force DB to keep tons of BW units, force Korea to switch to Sc2, etc. If it was irrelevant then washed-up Boxer (who I love) wouldn't have gotten a huge team sponsor from Intel.
Saying SC's heritage is irrelevant to SC2 is like saying Bird or Magic is irrelevant to the NBA today. They MADE the NBA what it is today.
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So what do horses have to do with THE GANGAM STYLE
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On July 23 2012 14:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
I hope sC makes it. He used to be really good but kept having to be hospitalized for that pneumothorax :/
He's my big hope for Group I, but we'll have to see if his TvP is good. TREME is no pushover and Dear did beat Bomber (who I thought would take the group).
But as an sC fan, it would be nice to see him perform somewhere again. Compared to his once-upon-a-time form it feels like he hasn't really "appeared" since like 15-ish months ago.
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On July 23 2012 14:28 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 14:26 Switters wrote:On July 23 2012 14:25 Itsmedudeman wrote:On July 23 2012 14:22 IshinShishi wrote:On July 23 2012 14:16 Heavenlee wrote:On July 23 2012 14:14 0neder wrote:On July 23 2012 14:11 IshinShishi wrote:
If anything Wolf is praising him too much, wolf never gave any player as much respect(apart from FXO players) as he is giving jangbi now. Well, given that Jangbi probably is one of the top 3 protoss players to ever move a mouse, I have absolutely no problem with that. Better than casters going crazy over another blink + ramp forcefield all-in like it's something that takes a super-human amount of ability. And Flash is probably the best terran player to ever move a mouse, should Wolf never hint that any action Flash does is questionable in SC2? You people are annoying, wow. He literally praised Jangbi by saying he was impressed with his play in sc2 and you are mad that what Wolf said "should be obvious". Just wow, that's some elitism right there. Besides, Jangbi has no place among Bisu, Stork and Nal_Ra. Yeah, he's better than all of them. Really, you're saying Jangbi is better than Nal_Ra? I know man, Jangbi better than the Dreamer? Blasphemy!
One of my favourite FEs Only Until Midnight
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Where dat snitch at?37118 Posts
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On July 23 2012 14:26 Ziem wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 14:22 0neder wrote:On July 23 2012 14:17 OptimusYale wrote:
the commentators do NOT come from a BW background
As a Starcraft fan, this really turns me off. I didn't know this until tonight. Post-BW SC fans can call me a jaded sentimentalist all they want, but at least Tasteless and Artosis were top players at one time and understand the heritage of competitive SC. But the heritage is irrelevant to the current games. A player might have been great at BW, but if he isn't good at SC2 does it really matter going forward?
the issue here wasn't that they said a bad player was bad and we think it was rude; i'm not sure anybody really objects to that, no matter the player, although people might disagree about which players are actually bad... but acting surprised that a great rts player is getting pretty good at this rts seems misleading.
it's a stretch to call it rude, but with bw basically about to end, we're all a bit touchier than we ought to be
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On July 23 2012 14:31 SeeKeR wrote:
TREME 1 - 2 sC
oh ya, sC kongnam style.
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On July 23 2012 14:29 0neder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 14:26 Ziem wrote:On July 23 2012 14:22 0neder wrote:On July 23 2012 14:17 OptimusYale wrote:
the commentators do NOT come from a BW background
As a Starcraft fan, this really turns me off. I didn't know this until tonight. Post-BW SC fans can call me a jaded sentimentalist all they want, but at least Tasteless and Artosis were top players at one time and understand the heritage of competitive SC. But the heritage is irrelevant to the current games. A player might have been great at BW, but if he isn't good at SC2 does it really matter going forward? Is it irrelevant? It was so relevant they had to force DB to keep tons of BW units, force Korea to switch to Sc2, etc. If it was irrelevant then washed-up Boxer (who I love) wouldn't have gotten a huge team sponsor from Intel. Saying SC's heritage is irrelevant to SC2 is like saying Bird or Magic is irrelevant to the NBA today. They MADE the NBA what it is today.
Out of context. Just an angry rant on your part.
Being an OSL champion doesn't put the GSL trophy in your hands. While it may help Boxer get sponsors, it won't make Flash beat DRG. Two totally different things.
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