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On July 24 2012 02:55 Lunareste wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 02:47 FairForever wrote:On July 24 2012 01:46 noddy wrote:On July 24 2012 00:39 FairForever wrote:On July 24 2012 00:25 noddy wrote:On July 24 2012 00:11 opterown wrote:Your WCS loss did not affect your ODT performance?
The shock was massive. The funny thing is, the build order that horror use to beat me was the exact same build order NesTea used against me just now. Thanks to that, I was able to flawlessly block NesTea's aggression. I guess the WCS loss was beneficial in some way.
apparently mkp got one-base bane-busted by horror zzz Not that shocking, seems the only Zergs that realise how easy lategame ZvT is are Symbol and Losira. Every other Zerg still seems to feel intimidated and cheese people better than them. LOL Maybe your sense of how "easy" lategame ZvT is is incorrect, or you're saying that you're much smarter than Top GSL Zergs when it comes to this MU? EDIT: Also your sense of "better" is probably off too. No wonder you think ZvT is super imbalanced - you automatically assume MVP and MKP are better than all Zerg players (and that goes down the Terran and Zerg ranks too), so when they lose, it must be imbalance. I don't think MKP and MVP are better than every Zerg player? I know MarineKing is a lot better than Horror though, lol Do you also attribute MKP's 0-2 loss to ByuL as imbalance? ByuL 6pooled game 1 and 7pooled game 2 winning both. Point is, MKP's losing to early all-ins isn't due to the fact that Terran is underpowered vs Zerg... (whether it is or not is a different story, although I believe it isn't), it's due to the fact that MKP uses almost the exact same build every single game, and doesn't scout, in order to gain an economic advantage. You can be 100% certain that you are not going to get proxy rax'd by MKP, nor will you be facing reactor hellion build, limiting the options. And because MKP often doesn't scout, you can take a risk and simply bane bust, because he hasn't prepared for such a build. Same thing that was done to Flash yesterday in the WCS qualifiers, if you're not able to mix it up people will take advantage of it. It's not like Horror beat MKP in a macro game (by the way, upsets do happen) - Horror used a build that was much more likely to succeed against MKP than against the average Terran player. EDIT: Your logic would also suggest TvZ is imbalanced in T's favour since a guy who just started playing (Reality) beat Symbol. Not saying that's true (it isn't), but that's your "sound" logic. In your quest to claim that ZvT early game isn't imbalanced, you forgot to ask yourself why MKP often goes for cc-first builds.
hes done stupid risky shit since the beta
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so reality made it?isn't he a kespa player?
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Hack, Puzzle, dreamertt, BBoongBBoong, Curious, CoCa, Creator and Happy qualified on Day 1.
sC, YuGiOh, horror, Leenock, Polt, Reality, Miya and TAiLS qualified on Day 2.
o..o
oo the only type of people who passed the prims so far (other than Reality) have been SC2 pros (rather than the kespa players) :o
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On July 24 2012 05:08 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +Hack, Puzzle, dreamertt, BBoongBBoong, Curious, CoCa, Creator and Happy qualified on Day 1.
sC, YuGiOh, horror, Leenock, Polt, Reality, Miya and TAiLS qualified on Day 2. o..o oo the only type of people who passed the prims so far (other than Reality) have been SC2 pros (rather than the kespa players) :o
Yeah, but many players play quite impressively. Jangbi played really well and he still practice BW by a lot.
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opterown
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On July 24 2012 00:39 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 00:25 noddy wrote:On July 24 2012 00:11 opterown wrote:Your WCS loss did not affect your ODT performance?
The shock was massive. The funny thing is, the build order that horror use to beat me was the exact same build order NesTea used against me just now. Thanks to that, I was able to flawlessly block NesTea's aggression. I guess the WCS loss was beneficial in some way.
apparently mkp got one-base bane-busted by horror zzz Not that shocking, seems the only Zergs that realise how easy lategame ZvT is are Symbol and Losira. Every other Zerg still seems to feel intimidated and cheese people better than them. LOL Maybe your sense of how "easy" lategame ZvT is is incorrect, or you're saying that you're much smarter than Top GSL Zergs when it comes to this MU? EDIT: Also your sense of "better" is probably off too. No wonder you think ZvT is super imbalanced - you automatically assume MVP and MKP are better than all Zerg players (and that goes down the Terran and Zerg ranks too), so when they lose, it must be imbalance.
mkp and mvp are much better players than horror, lol
On July 24 2012 02:47 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 01:46 noddy wrote:On July 24 2012 00:39 FairForever wrote:On July 24 2012 00:25 noddy wrote:On July 24 2012 00:11 opterown wrote:Your WCS loss did not affect your ODT performance?
The shock was massive. The funny thing is, the build order that horror use to beat me was the exact same build order NesTea used against me just now. Thanks to that, I was able to flawlessly block NesTea's aggression. I guess the WCS loss was beneficial in some way.
apparently mkp got one-base bane-busted by horror zzz Not that shocking, seems the only Zergs that realise how easy lategame ZvT is are Symbol and Losira. Every other Zerg still seems to feel intimidated and cheese people better than them. LOL Maybe your sense of how "easy" lategame ZvT is is incorrect, or you're saying that you're much smarter than Top GSL Zergs when it comes to this MU? EDIT: Also your sense of "better" is probably off too. No wonder you think ZvT is super imbalanced - you automatically assume MVP and MKP are better than all Zerg players (and that goes down the Terran and Zerg ranks too), so when they lose, it must be imbalance. I don't think MKP and MVP are better than every Zerg player? I know MarineKing is a lot better than Horror though, lol Do you also attribute MKP's 0-2 loss to ByuL as imbalance? ByuL 6pooled game 1 and 7pooled game 2 winning both. Point is, MKP's losing to early all-ins isn't due to the fact that Terran is underpowered vs Zerg... (whether it is or not is a different story, although I believe it isn't), it's due to the fact that MKP uses almost the exact same build every single game, and doesn't scout, in order to gain an economic advantage. You can be 100% certain that you are not going to get proxy rax'd by MKP, nor will you be facing reactor hellion build, limiting the options. And because MKP often doesn't scout, you can take a risk and simply bane bust, because he hasn't prepared for such a build. Same thing that was done to Flash yesterday in the WCS qualifiers, if you're not able to mix it up people will take advantage of it. It's not like Horror beat MKP in a macro game (by the way, upsets do happen) - Horror used a build that was much more likely to succeed against MKP than against the average Terran player. EDIT: Your logic would also suggest TvZ is imbalanced in T's favour since a guy who just started playing (Reality) beat Symbol. Not saying that's true (it isn't), but that's your "sound" logic.
mkp losing to all ins is due to his being greedy, which is one of the few ways terran can compete with zerg lategame.
symbol just played really badly and underestimated his opponent.
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On July 24 2012 05:08 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +Hack, Puzzle, dreamertt, BBoongBBoong, Curious, CoCa, Creator and Happy qualified on Day 1.
sC, YuGiOh, horror, Leenock, Polt, Reality, Miya and TAiLS qualified on Day 2. o..o oo the only type of people who passed the prims so far (other than Reality) have been SC2 pros (rather than the kespa players) :o
Light winning over Jjakji, Dear over Bomber and Snow over Nestea is impressive though.
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totally impressed with the progress of the kespa players, considering they are still playing their split league season. I for one can't wait for them to be fully focused on sc2 and see what sort of builds, strategies and shifts at the top of the leaderboards they bring. Reality's marine/marauder splitting was some of the best i've seen from anyone in sc2 so far.
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So Reality is pretty good. Congrats to him for being the first Kespa player to officially kick some ass. Great army control and great play overall by him. Now let's see what he can do in the actual qualifier.
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opterown
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guys, look forward to WCS and OSL Ro16 to see MORE HOT KESPA ON GOM ACTION!!
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 24 2012 04:11 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 02:55 Lunareste wrote:On July 24 2012 02:47 FairForever wrote:On July 24 2012 01:46 noddy wrote:On July 24 2012 00:39 FairForever wrote:On July 24 2012 00:25 noddy wrote:On July 24 2012 00:11 opterown wrote:Your WCS loss did not affect your ODT performance?
The shock was massive. The funny thing is, the build order that horror use to beat me was the exact same build order NesTea used against me just now. Thanks to that, I was able to flawlessly block NesTea's aggression. I guess the WCS loss was beneficial in some way.
apparently mkp got one-base bane-busted by horror zzz Not that shocking, seems the only Zergs that realise how easy lategame ZvT is are Symbol and Losira. Every other Zerg still seems to feel intimidated and cheese people better than them. LOL Maybe your sense of how "easy" lategame ZvT is is incorrect, or you're saying that you're much smarter than Top GSL Zergs when it comes to this MU? EDIT: Also your sense of "better" is probably off too. No wonder you think ZvT is super imbalanced - you automatically assume MVP and MKP are better than all Zerg players (and that goes down the Terran and Zerg ranks too), so when they lose, it must be imbalance. I don't think MKP and MVP are better than every Zerg player? I know MarineKing is a lot better than Horror though, lol Do you also attribute MKP's 0-2 loss to ByuL as imbalance? ByuL 6pooled game 1 and 7pooled game 2 winning both. Point is, MKP's losing to early all-ins isn't due to the fact that Terran is underpowered vs Zerg... (whether it is or not is a different story, although I believe it isn't), it's due to the fact that MKP uses almost the exact same build every single game, and doesn't scout, in order to gain an economic advantage. You can be 100% certain that you are not going to get proxy rax'd by MKP, nor will you be facing reactor hellion build, limiting the options. And because MKP often doesn't scout, you can take a risk and simply bane bust, because he hasn't prepared for such a build. Same thing that was done to Flash yesterday in the WCS qualifiers, if you're not able to mix it up people will take advantage of it. It's not like Horror beat MKP in a macro game (by the way, upsets do happen) - Horror used a build that was much more likely to succeed against MKP than against the average Terran player. EDIT: Your logic would also suggest TvZ is imbalanced in T's favour since a guy who just started playing (Reality) beat Symbol. Not saying that's true (it isn't), but that's your "sound" logic. In your quest to claim that ZvT early game isn't imbalanced, you forgot to ask yourself why MKP often goes for cc-first builds. hes done stupid risky shit since the beta
I like how you mention this and then beat him in IPL TAC. Ballsy claim and then actually back it up haha
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I dont understand why kespa didnt propose flash for invite. He showed a lot and deserved it
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Now that bw will soon become a fantasy, sctoo is becoming reality =D
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