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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 23 2012 15:47 GMT
#1921
12 Zerg
11 Protoss
9 Terran

Not a bad racial distribution (closest to perfect is 11-11-10), just one off from ideal.
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sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
July 23 2012 15:53 GMT
#1922
On July 24 2012 00:47 lichter wrote:
12 Zerg
11 Protoss
9 Terran

Not a bad racial distribution (closest to perfect is 11-11-10), just one off from ideal.

ignores that all the best protoss's were seeded in through top 10, also i think leenock and drg were in the top ten while all the best terrans were competing in the qualifier except for mvp
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
July 23 2012 15:56 GMT
#1923
On July 24 2012 00:53 sam05396 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 00:47 lichter wrote:
12 Zerg
11 Protoss
9 Terran

Not a bad racial distribution (closest to perfect is 11-11-10), just one off from ideal.

ignores that all the best protoss's were seeded in through top 10, also i think leenock and drg were in the top ten while all the best terrans were competing in the qualifier except for mvp


Nope, only DRG was seeded. Leenock had to qualified. MVP, aLive, Gumiho were seeded as terrans.
croqdot
Profile Joined October 2010
United States60 Posts
July 23 2012 15:57 GMT
#1924
Is there any place with VODs of today's/yesterday's games?
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
July 23 2012 15:58 GMT
#1925
On July 24 2012 00:11 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
Your WCS loss did not affect your ODT performance?

The shock was massive. The funny thing is, the build order that horror use to beat me was the exact same build order NesTea used against me just now. Thanks to that, I was able to flawlessly block NesTea's aggression. I guess the WCS loss was beneficial in some way.


apparently mkp got one-base bane-busted by horror zzz


That was only 1 game. Not sure how he lost the second. And honestly, that is the way to punish MKP's fast expand/no scouting style.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 23 2012 16:03 GMT
#1926
On July 24 2012 00:53 sam05396 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 00:47 lichter wrote:
12 Zerg
11 Protoss
9 Terran

Not a bad racial distribution (closest to perfect is 11-11-10), just one off from ideal.

ignores that all the best protoss's were seeded in through top 10, also i think leenock and drg were in the top ten while all the best terrans were competing in the qualifier except for mvp


Not sure what you mean. Since the best players were already seeded, they didn't go through the qualifiers. Had someone else been given the seed there would have been a good chance that those top 10 players would have qualified instead. Since they were seeded, their race was weaker in qualifying. Since only a few of the top terrans got seeds, their race had stronger players left in qualifying. See, it all works out in the end :p
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Beta2k
Profile Joined November 2011
Austria218 Posts
July 23 2012 16:24 GMT
#1927
so how many/which non-kespa players did qualify? only reality?
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
July 23 2012 16:27 GMT
#1928
On July 24 2012 00:57 croqdot wrote:
Is there any place with VODs of today's/yesterday's games?


http://www.youtube.com/user/GOMTVNET/videos
KT FlaSh FOREVER
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 23 2012 16:33 GMT
#1929
On July 24 2012 01:24 Beta2k wrote:
so how many/which non-kespa players did qualify? only reality?


Aside from those with seeds, only Reality. A few people came close though.
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noddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom927 Posts
July 23 2012 16:46 GMT
#1930
On July 24 2012 00:39 FairForever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 00:25 noddy wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:11 opterown wrote:
Your WCS loss did not affect your ODT performance?

The shock was massive. The funny thing is, the build order that horror use to beat me was the exact same build order NesTea used against me just now. Thanks to that, I was able to flawlessly block NesTea's aggression. I guess the WCS loss was beneficial in some way.


apparently mkp got one-base bane-busted by horror zzz


Not that shocking, seems the only Zergs that realise how easy lategame ZvT is are Symbol and Losira. Every other Zerg still seems to feel intimidated and cheese people better than them.



LOL

Maybe your sense of how "easy" lategame ZvT is is incorrect, or you're saying that you're much smarter than Top GSL Zergs when it comes to this MU?

EDIT: Also your sense of "better" is probably off too. No wonder you think ZvT is super imbalanced - you automatically assume MVP and MKP are better than all Zerg players (and that goes down the Terran and Zerg ranks too), so when they lose, it must be imbalance.


I don't think MKP and MVP are better than every Zerg player? I know MarineKing is a lot better than Horror though, lol
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
July 23 2012 16:53 GMT
#1931
Holy shit, I just looked at the bracket. Reality 2-0'd shine and symbol? Dafuq?
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 23 2012 16:58 GMT
#1932
On July 24 2012 01:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Holy shit, I just looked at the bracket. Reality 2-0'd shine and symbol? Dafuq?


Dunno about Shine, but Symbol reportedly hit hard by Seed Curse and played terrible (was driving and just reading the LR)
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RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
July 23 2012 17:03 GMT
#1933
Hahahah reality fighting!!
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
July 23 2012 17:03 GMT
#1934
On July 24 2012 01:58 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 01:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Holy shit, I just looked at the bracket. Reality 2-0'd shine and symbol? Dafuq?


Dunno about Shine, but Symbol reportedly hit hard by Seed Curse and played terrible (was driving and just reading the LR)

Hmm I see, interesting... Still kind of crazy lol was not expecting to wake up and see Reality advancing o.O

I really don't feel like digging through the LR can anyone sum up Stork's games? I see he won a couple rounds, how was his play?
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RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-23 17:12:00
July 23 2012 17:09 GMT
#1935
On July 24 2012 02:03 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 01:58 lichter wrote:
On July 24 2012 01:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Holy shit, I just looked at the bracket. Reality 2-0'd shine and symbol? Dafuq?


Dunno about Shine, but Symbol reportedly hit hard by Seed Curse and played terrible (was driving and just reading the LR)

Hmm I see, interesting... Still kind of crazy lol was not expecting to wake up and see Reality advancing o.O

I really don't feel like digging through the LR can anyone sum up Stork's games? I see he won a couple rounds, how was his play?

http://www.youtube.com/user/GOMTVNET/videos has this RO8 games RO 16 and 1 game of RO4
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
July 23 2012 17:11 GMT
#1936
On July 24 2012 02:09 RezChi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 02:03 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On July 24 2012 01:58 lichter wrote:
On July 24 2012 01:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Holy shit, I just looked at the bracket. Reality 2-0'd shine and symbol? Dafuq?


Dunno about Shine, but Symbol reportedly hit hard by Seed Curse and played terrible (was driving and just reading the LR)

Hmm I see, interesting... Still kind of crazy lol was not expecting to wake up and see Reality advancing o.O

I really don't feel like digging through the LR can anyone sum up Stork's games? I see he won a couple rounds, how was his play?

http://www.youtube.com/user/GOMTVNET/videos has this RO8 games

Cool thanks
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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37103 Posts
July 23 2012 17:18 GMT
#1937
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355167

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FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-23 17:48:13
July 23 2012 17:47 GMT
#1938
On July 24 2012 01:46 noddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 00:39 FairForever wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:25 noddy wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:11 opterown wrote:
Your WCS loss did not affect your ODT performance?

The shock was massive. The funny thing is, the build order that horror use to beat me was the exact same build order NesTea used against me just now. Thanks to that, I was able to flawlessly block NesTea's aggression. I guess the WCS loss was beneficial in some way.


apparently mkp got one-base bane-busted by horror zzz


Not that shocking, seems the only Zergs that realise how easy lategame ZvT is are Symbol and Losira. Every other Zerg still seems to feel intimidated and cheese people better than them.



LOL

Maybe your sense of how "easy" lategame ZvT is is incorrect, or you're saying that you're much smarter than Top GSL Zergs when it comes to this MU?

EDIT: Also your sense of "better" is probably off too. No wonder you think ZvT is super imbalanced - you automatically assume MVP and MKP are better than all Zerg players (and that goes down the Terran and Zerg ranks too), so when they lose, it must be imbalance.


I don't think MKP and MVP are better than every Zerg player? I know MarineKing is a lot better than Horror though, lol


Do you also attribute MKP's 0-2 loss to ByuL as imbalance? ByuL 6pooled game 1 and 7pooled game 2 winning both.

Point is, MKP's losing to early all-ins isn't due to the fact that Terran is underpowered vs Zerg... (whether it is or not is a different story, although I believe it isn't), it's due to the fact that MKP uses almost the exact same build every single game, and doesn't scout, in order to gain an economic advantage. You can be 100% certain that you are not going to get proxy rax'd by MKP, nor will you be facing reactor hellion build, limiting the options. And because MKP often doesn't scout, you can take a risk and simply bane bust, because he hasn't prepared for such a build.

Same thing that was done to Flash yesterday in the WCS qualifiers, if you're not able to mix it up people will take advantage of it.

It's not like Horror beat MKP in a macro game (by the way, upsets do happen) - Horror used a build that was much more likely to succeed against MKP than against the average Terran player.

EDIT: Your logic would also suggest TvZ is imbalanced in T's favour since a guy who just started playing (Reality) beat Symbol. Not saying that's true (it isn't), but that's your "sound" logic.
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
July 23 2012 17:55 GMT
#1939
On July 24 2012 02:47 FairForever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 01:46 noddy wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:39 FairForever wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:25 noddy wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:11 opterown wrote:
Your WCS loss did not affect your ODT performance?

The shock was massive. The funny thing is, the build order that horror use to beat me was the exact same build order NesTea used against me just now. Thanks to that, I was able to flawlessly block NesTea's aggression. I guess the WCS loss was beneficial in some way.


apparently mkp got one-base bane-busted by horror zzz


Not that shocking, seems the only Zergs that realise how easy lategame ZvT is are Symbol and Losira. Every other Zerg still seems to feel intimidated and cheese people better than them.



LOL

Maybe your sense of how "easy" lategame ZvT is is incorrect, or you're saying that you're much smarter than Top GSL Zergs when it comes to this MU?

EDIT: Also your sense of "better" is probably off too. No wonder you think ZvT is super imbalanced - you automatically assume MVP and MKP are better than all Zerg players (and that goes down the Terran and Zerg ranks too), so when they lose, it must be imbalance.


I don't think MKP and MVP are better than every Zerg player? I know MarineKing is a lot better than Horror though, lol


Do you also attribute MKP's 0-2 loss to ByuL as imbalance? ByuL 6pooled game 1 and 7pooled game 2 winning both.

Point is, MKP's losing to early all-ins isn't due to the fact that Terran is underpowered vs Zerg... (whether it is or not is a different story, although I believe it isn't), it's due to the fact that MKP uses almost the exact same build every single game, and doesn't scout, in order to gain an economic advantage. You can be 100% certain that you are not going to get proxy rax'd by MKP, nor will you be facing reactor hellion build, limiting the options. And because MKP often doesn't scout, you can take a risk and simply bane bust, because he hasn't prepared for such a build.

Same thing that was done to Flash yesterday in the WCS qualifiers, if you're not able to mix it up people will take advantage of it.

It's not like Horror beat MKP in a macro game (by the way, upsets do happen) - Horror used a build that was much more likely to succeed against MKP than against the average Terran player.

EDIT: Your logic would also suggest TvZ is imbalanced in T's favour since a guy who just started playing (Reality) beat Symbol. Not saying that's true (it isn't), but that's your "sound" logic.


In your quest to claim that ZvT early game isn't imbalanced, you forgot to ask yourself why MKP often goes for cc-first builds.
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amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-23 19:10:58
July 23 2012 19:09 GMT
#1940
hmm, snow beat nestea as a T... and reality the only KESPA player representing (through the qualifiers of course)....

is the gap within korea getting that big that only one kespa player made it?
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