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dafunk
France521 Posts
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
On July 22 2012 05:21 mordk wrote: Ok, I can agree to disagree, that's fine. There are facts though. His results haven't been good for a very long time and he's looked far below his best moment back when he played MC at NASL S1. But that was a long time ago and his best right now just doesn't seem to be keeping up with the metagame. Meanwhile both Hero and Taeja have done well recently. About this alleged anger... no comments really. No one is disagreeing that he hasnt had results lately, but it happens? it happens to mvp, nestea and pretty much every pro there is. I like how u leave out over all results though, Puma has won more tournments then both hero and taeja. | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
It has been arranged. Appreciate this feature. Think a lot of people are happy its there, even if it is not for everyone :-) | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On July 22 2012 05:22 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Give MC that army in that position and it's gg. Haha okay... because you do know that. I just said to you that the forcefields didn't matter, he would get overrun in the second wave. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
He made a lot of units to contest the center and didn't sit back and try to go to broods while Oz was gaining center control. He made mass lings and did not try to go mass roaches vs. stalker immortal. He made a timely switch to infestors without being unsafe to Protoss 2 base timings. He did an early attack that killed off a huge amount of Oz's gas units and made it hard for him to tech to colossi. That was what Stephano did to secure that game. | ||
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4ZakeN87
Sweden1071 Posts
Over all really bad tournament for the foreigners, how would have thought that goody would be the second last foreigner left. Goody just keep breaking the logic of SC2 ^ | ||
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On July 22 2012 05:21 FairForever wrote: Then why can't anyone else do what Stephano does? Stephano doesn't have great macro (although his inject itming is good) - it's his decision making as well as unit control that is so exceptional, particularly because Zergs typically have crap unit control. Put another zerg in that position and there's a good chance the fourth base is lost. In that specific game and that specific engagement, which is all we are talking about here, he did absolutely nothing impressive. There was no fantastic decision making, he did the only thing he could do. There was no fantastic micro, he just ran his units in. The game was decided in a split second by Oz missing a few forcefields, that's it. People screaming about how amazing Stephano is based on that game are being idiots. | ||
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Bayyne
United States1967 Posts
On July 22 2012 05:18 Shiori wrote: The opening from Oz was nonstandard, but everything Stephano did was completely standard. He didn't change up his play 1 bit from what we saw at NASL. Lol. Are Zerg players really impressed by focus firing? Do they not watch TvP? How did he not change up his play in that game 1 v. Oz? His timings were completely borked because of the early pressure from Oz. At the NASL, the majority of Stephano's games he was able to comfortably get his 7min gases + roach warren with little to no cutting of drones; in this game he had to cut drones to hold off the early attack. If you think going no gas 3 hatch opening is universally all the same all the time, then you're missing the most important part of any game: the transition. | ||
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Whoranzone
Germany330 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On July 22 2012 05:21 Kevan wrote: So Axslav said that Oz would have lost that battle even with perfect forcefields due to the reinforcements because he attacked a bit prematurely when Steph had low tech units? I didn't listen too closely. you cant attack in to roach ling with 3 sentries and no aoe. the best thing to do vs roach ling is to never attack because whats he gonna do with 200/200 roach ling. On July 22 2012 05:24 Whoranzone wrote: So do I get it right and people in here seriously claim that turtling it out on three bases when the middle bases being golds is the way to go ? Seriously. use all those bonus minerals to make zealots and zerglings, the worst thing in the 200 supply army for each race? yes people are saying that | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 22 2012 05:22 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: You mean the game Hero had won and basically did the one thing which could completely throw it away? And this game it's also Oz having game won, forcing 30 early useless lings, & he did the only thing he could to throw it away? | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
On July 22 2012 05:21 Kevan wrote: So Axslav said that Oz would have lost that battle even with perfect forcefields due to the reinforcements because he attacked a bit prematurely when Steph had low tech units? I didn't listen too closely. Yup, thats what he said, at that point Stephano wouldn't have been able to tech quickly because he invested so much into attacking, So Oz could have just macroed up and waited. | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On July 22 2012 05:24 Bayyne wrote: How did he not change up his play in that game 1 v. Oz? His timings were completely borked because of the early pressure from Oz. At the NASL, the majority of Stephano's games he was able to comfortably get his 7min gases + roach warren with little to no cutting of drones; in this game he had to cut drones to hold off the early attack. If you think going no gas 3 hatch opening is universally all the same all the time, then you're missing the most important part of any game: the transition. They were delayed timings, but essentially the same timings. Roach/Ling push into Infestors etc. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On July 22 2012 05:23 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Haha okay... because you do know that. I just said to you that the forcefields didn't matter, he would get overrun in the second wave. And you serious? Stephano had 55 drones and no bank. | ||
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kju
6143 Posts
On July 22 2012 05:24 Whoranzone wrote: So do I get it right and people in here seriously claim that turtling it out on three bases when the middle bases being golds is the way to go ? Seriously. you didn't watch the game? | ||
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
On July 22 2012 05:22 paintfive wrote: Oz screwed his FFs but he should never have been out there in the first place. Half the engagement was on creep :/ Assert map control as Protoss? What were you thinking Oz? Funnily enough, he probably would've won easily if he just maxed before moving out. There's no way Stephano would've had Broodlords, and Lings become a lot worse as the Protoss army gets bigger. | ||
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
 Guess the buildings are too awkward to place on this map. | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
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. I'm sorry to break it to you but head-to-head record says nothing about a player's skill level, we're talking about a broader idea here. 
