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On July 09 2012 02:01 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 01:46 Funkydonky wrote:On July 09 2012 01:45 samurai80 wrote:
I liked the way Nerchio won that, pretty convincing, but him smiling like this after winning. It looks bm to me. Maybe I'm the only one but that's my impression. People like you should go out, and stop watching SC2. What ? Just because I say I'm not really fond of someone's smile ?? I like Nerchio man, nothing against him. I just said that this smile was so much like him making fun of his opponent. Trolling and provocation is really normal, but you have to do it in a certain way, in front of your opponent and not like this, smiling alone as if you were making fun of your opponent. Now maybe I'm thinking too much, but I know asian people (I'm not but I've lived in Japan for 8 years) actually really really care about that. You can make fun, troll and provoke your opponent, but there is a way to do it. Showing respect is the most important thing. So now it's ok, it's HSC, everyone is having fun and Nerchio certainly did do that on purpose, but still I have the right to give my opinion and say I didn't really liked his smile at that moment.
This is getting stupid. He smiled, what else do you expect someone to do when they win?
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On July 09 2012 01:58 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 01:57 Holgerius wrote:
What the... how are players like Mvp and MC getting knocked out in this? :O Mvp looked extremely disappointing from Day 1 and MC just looked awful this past series while running into an extremely hot Nerchio.
Nonsense. MC played really well and Nerchio beat him. Give the man some credit, he just beat the bosstoss.
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On July 09 2012 02:01 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 01:46 Funkydonky wrote:On July 09 2012 01:45 samurai80 wrote:
I liked the way Nerchio won that, pretty convincing, but him smiling like this after winning. It looks bm to me. Maybe I'm the only one but that's my impression. People like you should go out, and stop watching SC2. What ? Just because I say I'm not really fond of someone's smile ?? I like Nerchio man, nothing against him. I just said that this smile was so much like him making fun of his opponent. Trolling and provocation is really normal, but you have to do it in a certain way, in front of your opponent and not like this, smiling alone as if you were making fun of your opponent. Now maybe I'm thinking too much, but I know asian people (I'm not but I've lived in Japan for 8 years) actually really really care about that. You can make fun, troll and provoke your opponent, but there is a way to do it. Showing respect is the most important thing. So now it's ok, it's HSC, everyone is having fun and Nerchio certainly did do that on purpose, but still I have the right to give my opinion and say I didn't really liked his smile at that moment.
They are in Europe now, and in Europe, it is European rules. And we like to smile in Europe when we achieve something awesome!
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But still, even if Nerchio beat Yonghwa in groups and has very good ZvZ, given how solid good Koreans are he won't be a favorite in finals. I think it's 50%.
But I damn sure hope he will pul it off 
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On July 09 2012 02:02 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 01:57 BlazeFury01 wrote:On July 09 2012 01:52 -y0shi- wrote:On July 09 2012 01:47 najreteip wrote:On July 09 2012 01:46 farvacola wrote:On July 09 2012 01:43 Kreb wrote:
As Incontrol said, that was in convincing fashion. He has showed he can handle robo play, stargate play, gateway allins. And he has has played with roaches, ling/infestor, muta. Very impressive. Meh, the only thing this series should convince anyone of is that MC has his down days. He played too poorly for this to reflect too greatly on Nerchio, although his reactions to MC's mistakes were certainly proficient. Oh great here we go again foreigner beats a top korean, korean played poorly stop that bs please So youre saying he didnt? Mc lost with some pretty silly allins and barely won after holding an 8 pool while taking no damage. He didnt play well, I dont see how one can even argue this.. Im still confused by MCs play, is he so afraid of playing macro against zergs? And yeah, nerchio played that well but the last game was a buildorder win which is always lucky to some degree, why cant some people just accept this? Lets see how Yongwa does :/ Dude, MC has always played like this. It works most of the time but when it doesn't people call it "horrible play" but when it does everybody's like "MC is the best protoss!!!! yadayadayada!". No, you're getting slightly confused. If you watch MC play regularly you could see his play today wasn't his top form. He made bad decisions, he went for a base trade in the last game without a probe outside his base, he spent the minerals he needed to make a pylon outside. You can nitpick many other examples, even his forcefields didn't look as good as usual. While it's true MC goes for 2-base allins a lot vs zerg, he's usually better at decision making which is what normally wins him games, alongside his micro. Basically, you can play 2-base allins well, or you can play badly, using the same build, and you get extremely different results, this is an example of the latter. This obviously doesn't mean Nerchio didn't play well, he did very nicely and got the job done, defending appropriately and responded well without overextending.
He looked really good against Ret though. I think the easiest explanation is that he expected a free win and got sloppy.
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On July 09 2012 02:02 MegaFonzie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 01:57 Shiori wrote:On July 09 2012 01:55 MegaFonzie wrote:On July 09 2012 01:53 Shiori wrote:On July 09 2012 01:52 Musicus wrote:On July 09 2012 01:48 GregMandel wrote:
Lol @ the guy talking about the queen buff, yeah sure thats totally what made MC make the poorest decision possible and all-in twice in a row. Dumb people, dumb people everywhere .... Well all-ining several times in a row usually works for MC, so nobody can really blame him for what. It would be weird to not play the style you are most comfortable and had most succes with, but as Bly said, Nerchio is just so good at defending them and does never hesitate to basetrade or something. I don't understand why Zergs don't just practice against all-ins. It's pretty much the only way people play high level PvZ, so why bother practising macro strats? Barely any Protoss players macro against Zerg because it's a lost cause. Just train against 2base all-ins and you'll be fine. I mean, it doesn't matter how many times you keep saying it, that really isn't true. I'm not sure how much starcraft you've been watching over the past several months, but the matchup has well and truly evolved beyond just 2base play, and going into macro games vs zerg isn't a lost cause by any means. It's a fact. I watch every major tournament and follow a lot of notable Korean streams. When you're up against a top tier Zerg, you usually all-in. It's just the safest way to play. I guess we'll just agree to disagree, but I really don't know how you can watch all the stuff you claim and have managed to miss all of the macro games the matchup has offered ><
I didn't say there weren't any macro games. I said there are more all-ins, that the macro games are typically games where the Zerg either messed up catastrophically in the midgame or walked over the Protoss in the lategame, and that nobody has a reliable way of fighting BL/Infestor/Spine, because there isn't one.
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On July 09 2012 02:01 ohampatu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 01:59 marmuc wrote:On July 09 2012 01:57 Holgerius wrote:
What the... how are players like Mvp and MC getting knocked out in this? :O why? jet lag, bad luck, too much luck for the opponent, but never ever the opponent was simply better this time, this is what I've deducted so far from the post in this thread. i made a post about this yesterday Nobody does anything but make excuses, theres always an excuse, thats what fans are for. You will never see a player lose, and them just go: damn he played real good, its always 'i messed up', etc no recognition ever
Because I doubt any player in sport would say, I played my very best ever in losing, probably for whatever reason they felt they messed up, or did something wrong, people make mistakes. I doubt Robben is thinking that he played his best when he missed his penalty to lose the champions league
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Why do protoss bother to try other 2 base all in then the Immortal sentry one, or perhaps the +2 Blink one ?
Both have higher winrate anyway and just seems better against everything zerg could be doing.
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On July 09 2012 01:58 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 01:55 samurai80 wrote:On July 09 2012 01:47 MrShankly wrote:On July 09 2012 01:45 samurai80 wrote:
I liked the way Nerchio won that, pretty convincing, but him smiling like this after winning. It looks bm to me. Maybe I'm the only one but that's my impression. He basically just beat the most succesful protoss in the world, when you work so hard, so much practice etc and it pays off maybe he finds it hard not to smile? I remember reading an interview where nerchio says he thought he was on a similar/same level as stephano. You misunderstand, I don't say it was bad for him to be happy and show it, but this smile, it looked so much like he was making fun of MC so badly. I've nothing against him, just to say I wouldn't be too happy if I just lost and saw my opponent showing this kind teasing smile. I wouldn't blame my opponent but still it would make me a bit angry inside. Maybe MC made fun of him off camera before the match, so you never know.
Yeah exactly you're right. I just expressed what I felt at seeing this, but I don't think Nerchio is a bad guy at all.
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On July 09 2012 02:02 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 02:01 Choboo wrote:On July 09 2012 02:00 Azarkon wrote:On July 09 2012 01:58 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On July 09 2012 01:55 samurai80 wrote:On July 09 2012 01:47 MrShankly wrote:On July 09 2012 01:45 samurai80 wrote:
I liked the way Nerchio won that, pretty convincing, but him smiling like this after winning. It looks bm to me. Maybe I'm the only one but that's my impression. He basically just beat the most succesful protoss in the world, when you work so hard, so much practice etc and it pays off maybe he finds it hard not to smile? I remember reading an interview where nerchio says he thought he was on a similar/same level as stephano. You misunderstand, I don't say it was bad for him to be happy and show it, but this smile, it looked so much like he was making fun of MC so badly. I've nothing against him, just to say I wouldn't be too happy if I just lost and saw my opponent showing this kind teasing smile. I wouldn't blame my opponent but still it would make me a bit angry inside. Maybe MC made fun of him off camera before the match, so you never know. Nah, this is just the way Nerchio is. I still remember him stream sniping Stephano over and over again to let Stephano's stream watchers see that he's the better ZvZer. He's got a vanity thing going on, and used to be very BM when he loses, but hey, it motivates him to get better. now youre just making shit up No, I'm not. I was there when he stream sniped Stephano 7-8 times in a row after Stephano told him to stop doing it.
how is that the same thing as being bm? ive seen plenty generally well mannered players like mana stream sniping their friends
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On July 09 2012 02:01 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 02:00 Azarkon wrote:On July 09 2012 01:58 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On July 09 2012 01:55 samurai80 wrote:On July 09 2012 01:47 MrShankly wrote:On July 09 2012 01:45 samurai80 wrote:
I liked the way Nerchio won that, pretty convincing, but him smiling like this after winning. It looks bm to me. Maybe I'm the only one but that's my impression. He basically just beat the most succesful protoss in the world, when you work so hard, so much practice etc and it pays off maybe he finds it hard not to smile? I remember reading an interview where nerchio says he thought he was on a similar/same level as stephano. You misunderstand, I don't say it was bad for him to be happy and show it, but this smile, it looked so much like he was making fun of MC so badly. I've nothing against him, just to say I wouldn't be too happy if I just lost and saw my opponent showing this kind teasing smile. I wouldn't blame my opponent but still it would make me a bit angry inside. Maybe MC made fun of him off camera before the match, so you never know. Nah, this is just the way Nerchio is. I still remember him stream sniping Stephano over and over again to let Stephano's stream watchers see that he's the better ZvZer. He's got a vanity thing going on, and used to be very BM when he loses, but hey, it motivates him to get better. now youre just making shit up
yea what the hell... "bm" it was all in the good fun, nerchio writeing smileys and shit. the last game he lost to stephano he wrote "your just too good"
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fuck golden
Make a freaking spire man !
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On July 09 2012 02:03 Toadvine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 02:02 mordk wrote:On July 09 2012 01:57 BlazeFury01 wrote:On July 09 2012 01:52 -y0shi- wrote:On July 09 2012 01:47 najreteip wrote:On July 09 2012 01:46 farvacola wrote:On July 09 2012 01:43 Kreb wrote:
As Incontrol said, that was in convincing fashion. He has showed he can handle robo play, stargate play, gateway allins. And he has has played with roaches, ling/infestor, muta. Very impressive. Meh, the only thing this series should convince anyone of is that MC has his down days. He played too poorly for this to reflect too greatly on Nerchio, although his reactions to MC's mistakes were certainly proficient. Oh great here we go again foreigner beats a top korean, korean played poorly stop that bs please So youre saying he didnt? Mc lost with some pretty silly allins and barely won after holding an 8 pool while taking no damage. He didnt play well, I dont see how one can even argue this.. Im still confused by MCs play, is he so afraid of playing macro against zergs? And yeah, nerchio played that well but the last game was a buildorder win which is always lucky to some degree, why cant some people just accept this? Lets see how Yongwa does :/ Dude, MC has always played like this. It works most of the time but when it doesn't people call it "horrible play" but when it does everybody's like "MC is the best protoss!!!! yadayadayada!". No, you're getting slightly confused. If you watch MC play regularly you could see his play today wasn't his top form. He made bad decisions, he went for a base trade in the last game without a probe outside his base, he spent the minerals he needed to make a pylon outside. You can nitpick many other examples, even his forcefields didn't look as good as usual. While it's true MC goes for 2-base allins a lot vs zerg, he's usually better at decision making which is what normally wins him games, alongside his micro. Basically, you can play 2-base allins well, or you can play badly, using the same build, and you get extremely different results, this is an example of the latter. This obviously doesn't mean Nerchio didn't play well, he did very nicely and got the job done, defending appropriately and responded well without overextending. He looked really good against Ret though. I think the easiest explanation is that he expected a free win and got sloppy.
Yeah, should have said "this series" instead of "today", he looked extremely impressive vs Ret.
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On July 09 2012 02:03 Huragius wrote:
MC fanboys went full retard.
Shut up with Nerchio hate. He played way better than MC during whole series and deserved his win.
He played way better than MC in the games he won, anyway. No need for excessive hyperbole on either side.
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Destiny it's not that hard to say >.>
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On July 09 2012 02:04 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 02:02 Azarkon wrote:On July 09 2012 02:01 Choboo wrote:On July 09 2012 02:00 Azarkon wrote:On July 09 2012 01:58 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On July 09 2012 01:55 samurai80 wrote:On July 09 2012 01:47 MrShankly wrote:On July 09 2012 01:45 samurai80 wrote:
I liked the way Nerchio won that, pretty convincing, but him smiling like this after winning. It looks bm to me. Maybe I'm the only one but that's my impression. He basically just beat the most succesful protoss in the world, when you work so hard, so much practice etc and it pays off maybe he finds it hard not to smile? I remember reading an interview where nerchio says he thought he was on a similar/same level as stephano. You misunderstand, I don't say it was bad for him to be happy and show it, but this smile, it looked so much like he was making fun of MC so badly. I've nothing against him, just to say I wouldn't be too happy if I just lost and saw my opponent showing this kind teasing smile. I wouldn't blame my opponent but still it would make me a bit angry inside. Maybe MC made fun of him off camera before the match, so you never know. Nah, this is just the way Nerchio is. I still remember him stream sniping Stephano over and over again to let Stephano's stream watchers see that he's the better ZvZer. He's got a vanity thing going on, and used to be very BM when he loses, but hey, it motivates him to get better. now youre just making shit up No, I'm not. I was there when he stream sniped Stephano 7-8 times in a row after Stephano told him to stop doing it. how is that the same thing as being bm? ive seen plenty generally well mannered players like mana stream sniping their friends
The difference is that Stephano told him to stop stream sniping and was upset, and Nerchio kept doing it until he finally decided that Stephano was very pissed and stopped.
Also, I said Nerchio used to BM a lot - and he did, back when he was playing a lot of EU cups. He's stopped his BM, but he still is a show off.
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omg golden winning? oh wait he is zerg, whata a surprise one zerg winning.
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this lr just went full retard. I might stop watching all non-GSL tournaments from now on.
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EPT
