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dragonborn
4781 Posts
On July 09 2012 01:59 marmuc wrote: why? jet lag, bad luck, too much luck for the opponent, but never ever the opponent was simply better this time, this is what I've deducted so far from the post in this thread. Classic excuses for Korean fanboys. gz Nerchio. | ||
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Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On July 09 2012 01:59 marmuc wrote: why? jet lag, bad luck, too much luck for the opponent, but never ever the opponent was simply better this time, this is what I've deducted so far from the post in this thread. Stop with the whole jet lag excuse. MC has had more then two days to recover from it and wouldn't have made it to round 4 if it was effecting him that much. | ||
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
On July 09 2012 01:57 Holgerius wrote: What the... how are players like Mvp and MC getting knocked out in this? :O these players arent regular americans. these are europeans. | ||
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-y0shi-
Germany994 Posts
On July 09 2012 01:55 ohampatu wrote: Its simple really. MC underestimated Nerchio. There were alot of causes. But lets go back to before this match started. MC went into this having 'smashed' Nerchio many times, with both Protoss and Terran. I dont believe he had ever lost to Nerchio. Nerchio is top 3 foreign zerg, who is good at 'all-in's. MC played into Nerchios comfort zone, while underestimating him. Thats the best recipe for an upset. And we got one. MC y so arrogant sometimes??? he has the best macro pvz, idk why he only plays macro pvz vs stephano and drg  gratz nerchio Im not sure about this, I think its more that mc just doesnt seem to be comfortable with pvz lategame which IS in a pretty bad state lately.. Well see what yongwa can do I guess.. But I never understood how zergs loose to these allins, when they fail they look so silly and defending them looks so easy and its basically all zergs have to train rightt now, right? It cant be this complicated :/ (genuinely no clue about zerg play, dont kill me please) | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On July 09 2012 01:58 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: Maybe MC made fun of him off camera before the match, so you never know. Nah, this is just the way Nerchio is. I still remember him stream sniping Stephano over and over again to let Stephano's stream viewers see that he's the better ZvZer. He's got a vanity thing going on, and used to be BM when he loses, but hey, it motivates him to get better. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On July 09 2012 01:57 BlazeFury01 wrote: Dude, MC has always played like this. It works most of the time but when it doesn't people call it "horrible play" but when it does everybody's like "MC is the best protoss!!!! yadayadayada!". Nah, every all-in is not created equal, meaning the correct application of a specific all-in relative to the build order of the opponent plays a huge role in the success of said all-in. These all-ins were not MC caliber, at least not when compared to his more successful tournament runs. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On July 09 2012 01:59 marmuc wrote: why? jet lag, bad luck, too much luck for the opponent, but never ever the opponent was simply better this time, this is what I've deducted so far from the post in this thread. i made a post about this yesterday Nobody does anything but make excuses, theres always an excuse, thats what fans are for. You will never see a player lose, and them just go: damn he played real good, its always 'i messed up', etc no recognition ever | ||
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SuperYo1000
United States880 Posts
On July 09 2012 01:57 BlazeFury01 wrote: Dude, MC has always played like this. It works most of the time but when it doesn't people call it "horrible play" but when it does everybody's like "MC is the best protoss!!!! yadayadayada!". pretty much, MC is an amazing protoss player but you can sense the huge amount of nut hugging going on when a player beats MC in a best of 5 with some really nice play and all you hear is that MC played at 10% and what not. It looks like MC played bad BECAUSE his opponent played well. Give credit where credit is due. GJ Nerchio P.S. Im a protoss player so its my nature to favor protoss players. | ||
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
On July 09 2012 01:56 Azarkon wrote: Nerchio got better, and he prepared vs. MC. Nerchio is a preparer; in these games, he played different strategies every game, and MC was not able to meta-game him, which gave him the victory. I think MC just misread Nerchio as a player. He wanted to rely on his psychological advantage and just win with well-executed 2 base all-ins, hoping that Nerchio would get flustered and fold under pressure. Thing is, Nerchio is actually really good in the midgame, great at defending all-ins, and a lot worse with lategame Zerg deathballs. MC probably would've had a lot more success if he just played standard. | ||
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GregMandel
France822 Posts
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
On July 09 2012 02:00 Azarkon wrote: Nah, this is just the way Nerchio is. I still remember him stream sniping Stephano over and over again to let Stephano's stream watchers see that he's the better ZvZer. He's got a vanity thing going on, and used to be very BM when he loses, but hey, it motivates him to get better. now youre just making shit up | ||
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
On July 09 2012 01:46 Funkydonky wrote: People like you should go out, and stop watching SC2. What ? Just because I say I'm not really fond of someone's smile ?? I like Nerchio man, nothing against him. I just said that this smile was so much like him making fun of his opponent. Trolling and provocation is really normal, but you have to do it in a certain way, in front of your opponent and not like this, smiling alone as if you were making fun of your opponent. Now maybe I'm thinking too much, but I know asian people (I'm not but I've lived in Japan for 8 years) actually really really care about that. You can make fun, troll and provoke your opponent, but there is a way to do it. Showing respect is the most important thing. So now it's ok, it's HSC, everyone is having fun and Nerchio certainly did (EDIT: I meant did not) do that on purpose, but still I have the right to give my opinion and say I didn't really liked his smile at that moment. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On July 09 2012 02:00 -y0shi- wrote: Im not sure about this, I think its more that mc just doesnt seem to be comfortable with pvz lategame which IS in a pretty bad state lately.. Well see what yongwa can do I guess.. But I never understood how zergs loose to these allins, when they fail they look so silly and defending them looks so easy and its basically all zergs have to train rightt now, right? It cant be this complicated :/ (genuinely no clue about zerg play, dont kill me please) MC is not afraid in macro ZvP. He is just more confident with his timings. Have you seen his DRG/Stephano games. sentry/immortal quick third | ||
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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
On July 09 2012 01:56 GregMandel wrote: I was more criticizing the train of thought of the ppl complaining about the patch rather than MC all-inning :p Aight I focused on the wrong part sorry, so we agree :D | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On July 09 2012 01:57 BlazeFury01 wrote: Dude, MC has always played like this. It works most of the time but when it doesn't people call it "horrible play" but when it does everybody's like "MC is the best protoss!!!! yadayadayada!". No, you're getting slightly confused. If you watch MC play regularly you could see his play today wasn't his top form. He made bad decisions, he went for a base trade in the last game without a probe outside his base, he spent the minerals he needed to make a pylon outside. You can nitpick many other examples, even his forcefields didn't look as good as usual. While it's true MC goes for 2-base allins a lot vs zerg, he's usually better at decision making which is what normally wins him games, alongside his micro. Basically, you can play 2-base allins well, or you can play badly, using the same build, and you get extremely different results, this is an example of the latter. This obviously doesn't mean Nerchio didn't play well, he did very nicely and got the job done, defending appropriately and responded well without overextending. People think saying a player didn't play his best is some sort of insult to the winner. Of course it isn't, if the winner had played bad he might have lost despite of his opponents mistakes. Nerchio played excellent that series. One doesn't exclude the other. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
No, I'm not. I was there when he stream sniped Stephano 7-8 times in a row after Stephano told him to stop doing it. | ||
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MegaFonzie
Australia1084 Posts
On July 09 2012 01:57 Shiori wrote: It's a fact. I watch every major tournament and follow a lot of notable Korean streams. When you're up against a top tier Zerg, you usually all-in. It's just the safest way to play. I guess we'll just agree to disagree, but I really don't know how you can watch all the stuff you claim and have managed to miss all of the macro games the matchup has offered >< | ||
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Ylrahc
France496 Posts
On July 09 2012 02:00 Azarkon wrote: Nah, this is just the way Nerchio is. I still remember him stream sniping Stephano over and over again to let Stephano's stream viewers see that he's the better ZvZer. He's got a vanity thing going on, and used to be BM when he loses, but hey, it motivates him to get better. Which bited him in the ass when Stephano knocked him out of the DH 2 - 0  Yeah, Nerchio is a troll, disliked by many, including me, but you have to admit that his level of play is impressive. | ||
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GregMandel
France822 Posts
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