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MegaFonzie
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia1084 Posts
July 08 2012 16:55 GMT
#1621
On July 09 2012 01:53 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 01:52 Musicus wrote:
On July 09 2012 01:48 GregMandel wrote:
Lol @ the guy talking about the queen buff, yeah sure thats totally what made MC make the poorest decision possible and all-in twice in a row. Dumb people, dumb people everywhere ....


Well all-ining several times in a row usually works for MC, so nobody can really blame him for what. It would be weird to not play the style you are most comfortable and had most succes with, but as Bly said, Nerchio is just so good at defending them and does never hesitate to basetrade or something.

I don't understand why Zergs don't just practice against all-ins. It's pretty much the only way people play high level PvZ, so why bother practising macro strats? Barely any Protoss players macro against Zerg because it's a lost cause. Just train against 2base all-ins and you'll be fine.


I mean, it doesn't matter how many times you keep saying it, that really isn't true. I'm not sure how much starcraft you've been watching over the past several months, but the matchup has well and truly evolved beyond just 2base play, and going into macro games vs zerg isn't a lost cause by any means.
@x5_MegaFonzie
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
July 08 2012 16:56 GMT
#1622
On July 09 2012 01:53 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 01:52 pallad wrote:
On July 09 2012 01:49 Stormiii wrote:
On July 09 2012 01:47 Champloo wrote:
Give me your tears, Korean fanboys! Europeans protecting their land in 2012!

Dreamhack Stockholm: Thorzain
Dreamhack Summer: Mana
HSC V: Nerchio

Send MVP, send MC, send Hero, you can send whoever you want.

just one word : YongHwa


Nerchio win 2:1 already vs him at HSC .. so why you write YongHwa , can you explain ?

Because the series was close and yongHwa has showna rather solid late game so far at this tournament, something MC didn't seem to want to get involved in. I'd give him a good chance at winning.


Yes its true.. , but Nerchio beat him already , and now after win vs MC nerchio must have really strong mind set for next games.
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
July 08 2012 16:56 GMT
#1623
On July 09 2012 01:54 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 01:48 TheHova wrote:
On July 09 2012 01:46 nojok wrote:
On July 09 2012 01:43 Azarkon wrote:
On July 09 2012 01:42 candid wrote:
no more excuses for idra if some random nobody can with pvz vs the wordls best toss LOL game balance


Random nobody?

Nerdchio is the best EU Zerg other than Stephano.

Well with this win he maybe took the spot as best foreigner zerg. If he takes the tournament, I will call him current best foreigner zerg.


I don't think you can call someone the best foreigner zerg because of one tournament result, Stephano constantly posts consistently better results than Nerchio in big tournaments. Nerchio would have to win a couple more things before he could stake that claim.

From your point of view, which is judging current skill from tournaments which happened in the last 6 months, I agree. But my point of view is that SC2 is very very volatile and that only less than a month results matter. It's a recent change in my mind, but check MVP, he was top a month ago & this month he's average.


Actually, it seems only results 1 hour ago makes a difference. If DRG loses one match on ladder today, the best player gets passed to whoever beats him...
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 16:58:12
July 08 2012 16:56 GMT
#1624
On July 09 2012 01:54 Canucklehead wrote:
I think MC's weakness, his overconfidence, cost him the series. I remember the last time he played nerchio and he 3-0 him in humiliating fashion. Think MC thought he could do the same this time, so ended up playing pretty badly thinking he could still win with the strats he used today. Pretty disappointing series. Yongwha must now carry the torch and win home story!


Nerchio got better, and he prepared vs. MC. Nerchio is a preparer; in these games, he played different strategies every game, and MC was not able to meta-game him, which gave him the victory.
GregMandel
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
France822 Posts
July 08 2012 16:56 GMT
#1625
On July 09 2012 01:52 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 01:48 GregMandel wrote:
Lol @ the guy talking about the queen buff, yeah sure thats totally what made MC make the poorest decision possible and all-in twice in a row. Dumb people, dumb people everywhere ....


Well all-ining several times in a row usually works for MC, so nobody can really blame him for what. It would be weird to not play the style you are most comfortable and had most succes with, but as Bly said, Nerchio is just so good at defending them and does never hesitate to basetrade or something.


I was more criticizing the train of thought of the ppl complaining about the patch rather than MC all-inning :p
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 08 2012 16:57 GMT
#1626
What the... how are players like Mvp and MC getting knocked out in this? :O
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
July 08 2012 16:57 GMT
#1627
On July 09 2012 01:55 MegaFonzie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 01:53 Shiori wrote:
On July 09 2012 01:52 Musicus wrote:
On July 09 2012 01:48 GregMandel wrote:
Lol @ the guy talking about the queen buff, yeah sure thats totally what made MC make the poorest decision possible and all-in twice in a row. Dumb people, dumb people everywhere ....


Well all-ining several times in a row usually works for MC, so nobody can really blame him for what. It would be weird to not play the style you are most comfortable and had most succes with, but as Bly said, Nerchio is just so good at defending them and does never hesitate to basetrade or something.

I don't understand why Zergs don't just practice against all-ins. It's pretty much the only way people play high level PvZ, so why bother practising macro strats? Barely any Protoss players macro against Zerg because it's a lost cause. Just train against 2base all-ins and you'll be fine.


I mean, it doesn't matter how many times you keep saying it, that really isn't true. I'm not sure how much starcraft you've been watching over the past several months, but the matchup has well and truly evolved beyond just 2base play, and going into macro games vs zerg isn't a lost cause by any means.

It's a fact. I watch every major tournament and follow a lot of notable Korean streams. When you're up against a top tier Zerg, you usually all-in. It's just the safest way to play.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
July 08 2012 16:57 GMT
#1628
On July 09 2012 01:54 jnd wrote:
Man, I never thought reading TL threads is so much fun :D

Not fun for me, so much hate is unpleasant to read. A little like reading youtube comments.

I already gave up on stream chats, seems like I have to do the same with TL LR threads.
Off-season = best season
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 16:58:27
July 08 2012 16:57 GMT
#1629
On July 09 2012 01:52 -y0shi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 01:47 najreteip wrote:
On July 09 2012 01:46 farvacola wrote:
On July 09 2012 01:43 Kreb wrote:
As Incontrol said, that was in convincing fashion. He has showed he can handle robo play, stargate play, gateway allins. And he has has played with roaches, ling/infestor, muta. Very impressive.

Meh, the only thing this series should convince anyone of is that MC has his down days. He played too poorly for this to reflect too greatly on Nerchio, although his reactions to MC's mistakes were certainly proficient.

Oh great here we go again
foreigner beats a top korean, korean played poorly

stop that bs please


So youre saying he didnt? Mc lost with some pretty silly allins and barely won after holding an 8 pool while taking no damage.
He didnt play well, I dont see how one can even argue this..

Im still confused by MCs play, is he so afraid of playing macro against zergs?

And yeah, nerchio played that well but the last game was a buildorder win which is always lucky to some degree, why cant some people just accept this?

Lets see how Yongwa does :/


Dude, MC has always played like this. It works most of the time but when it doesn't people call it "horrible play" but when it does everybody's like "MC is the best protoss!!!! yadayadayada!". MC played as well as he could but was completely shut down.
deus.machinarum
Profile Joined September 2011
Austria658 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 16:58:03
July 08 2012 16:57 GMT
#1630
it's the drinking, koreans just aren't used to it
Nothing worth having comes easy.
najreteip
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium4158 Posts
July 08 2012 16:58 GMT
#1631
Mana is an excellent commentator
I have no quote!
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
July 08 2012 16:58 GMT
#1632
On July 09 2012 01:56 GregMandel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 01:52 Musicus wrote:
On July 09 2012 01:48 GregMandel wrote:
Lol @ the guy talking about the queen buff, yeah sure thats totally what made MC make the poorest decision possible and all-in twice in a row. Dumb people, dumb people everywhere ....


Well all-ining several times in a row usually works for MC, so nobody can really blame him for what. It would be weird to not play the style you are most comfortable and had most succes with, but as Bly said, Nerchio is just so good at defending them and does never hesitate to basetrade or something.


I was more criticizing the train of thought of the ppl complaining about the patch rather than MC all-inning :p



only bad protoss blame the patch. good protoss will say the queen buff really only effects 1 base allins, and FFE into 4 gate pressure. Which sucks, but patch didn't affect pvz lategame. That's been broken in all MU's for a while
I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
napo
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania622 Posts
July 08 2012 16:58 GMT
#1633
On July 09 2012 00:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
MC's going to win this without breaking a sweat. Easiest win I've seen from a player since MVP won MLG Anaheim.

On July 09 2012 00:15 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 00:15 manloveman wrote:
On July 09 2012 00:14 Olinim wrote:
Looks like PvP finals, xD


Nerchio got this man


lol. Never even took a game off MC on LAN.

This guys totally got all the predictions. WOW, he is a gosu pretty much.
Though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
July 08 2012 16:58 GMT
#1634
On July 09 2012 01:57 Holgerius wrote:
What the... how are players like Mvp and MC getting knocked out in this? :O

Mvp looked extremely disappointing from Day 1 and MC just looked awful this past series while running into an extremely hot Nerchio.
GuardianEU
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands488 Posts
July 08 2012 16:58 GMT
#1635
On July 09 2012 01:57 Holgerius wrote:
What the... how are players like Mvp and MC getting knocked out in this? :O


they lost vs people who were playing better.
Standard.
Terminal
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom2109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 16:58:47
July 08 2012 16:58 GMT
#1636
On July 09 2012 01:42 candid wrote:
no more excuses for idra if some random nobody can with pvz vs the wordls best toss LOL game balance

What rock do you live under
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 08 2012 16:58 GMT
#1637
On July 09 2012 01:58 napo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 00:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
MC's going to win this without breaking a sweat. Easiest win I've seen from a player since MVP won MLG Anaheim.

Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 00:15 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 09 2012 00:15 manloveman wrote:
On July 09 2012 00:14 Olinim wrote:
Looks like PvP finals, xD


Nerchio got this man


lol. Never even took a game off MC on LAN.

This guys totally got all the predictions. WOW, he is a gosu pretty much.

You should ignore this guy, he always comes up with excuses for why Koreans lost and spams them non stop.
Glorious SEA doto
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
July 08 2012 16:58 GMT
#1638
On July 09 2012 01:55 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 01:47 MrShankly wrote:
On July 09 2012 01:45 samurai80 wrote:
I liked the way Nerchio won that, pretty convincing, but him smiling like this after winning. It looks bm to me. Maybe I'm the only one but that's my impression.

He basically just beat the most succesful protoss in the world, when you work so hard, so much practice etc and it pays off maybe he finds it hard not to smile?

I remember reading an interview where nerchio says he thought he was on a similar/same level as stephano.

You misunderstand, I don't say it was bad for him to be happy and show it, but this smile, it looked so much like he was making fun of MC so badly. I've nothing against him, just to say I wouldn't be too happy if I just lost and saw my opponent showing this kind teasing smile. I wouldn't blame my opponent but still it would make me a bit angry inside.


Maybe MC made fun of him off camera before the match, so you never know.
Terran & Potato Salad.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
July 08 2012 16:59 GMT
#1639
On July 09 2012 01:58 napo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 00:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
MC's going to win this without breaking a sweat. Easiest win I've seen from a player since MVP won MLG Anaheim.

Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 00:15 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 09 2012 00:15 manloveman wrote:
On July 09 2012 00:14 Olinim wrote:
Looks like PvP finals, xD


Nerchio got this man


lol. Never even took a game off MC on LAN.

This guys totally got all the predictions. WOW, he is a gosu pretty much.


Put um on blast son!
marmuc
Profile Joined August 2011
110 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 16:59:56
July 08 2012 16:59 GMT
#1640
On July 09 2012 01:57 Holgerius wrote:
What the... how are players like Mvp and MC getting knocked out in this? :O


why? jet lag, bad luck, too much luck for the opponent, but never ever the opponent was simply better this time, this is what I've deducted so far from the posts in this thread.
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