EPTOn July 05 2012 23:13 Thrombozyt wrote:
STANDARD PLAY by definition can defend all-ins.
STANDARD PLAY by definition can defend all-ins.
It means no such thing.
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
It means no such thing. | ||
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AngryFarmer
United States560 Posts
On July 06 2012 00:11 SeaSwift wrote: Given that 3 of the Zerg GSLs were won by 1 person, 4 of the Terran GSLs by one person and both of the Protoss GSLs were by one person, I don't think balance has really changed the representation of wins of Code S. I think everyone would agree that Fruitdealer, Nestea and DRG all deserved their championships. Likewise, MVP was certainly deserving of all of his and only the staunchest of haters will deny that MC deserved his too. As for the Terran one-hit-wonder Championships Polt and Jjakji, that is arguable. I think Jjakji got his purely because he was very lucky with the format - he played Oz in the semifinals instead of fucking MVP in a TvT. He still deserved it, but I definitely wouldn't put it down to race balance. As for the Super Championship... I have no idea. Polt also really deserved his win. His bracket was tough as hell(at the time those players were really good) and he made it through really clean. I'm also a major fan boy so felt the need to put it out there | ||
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Coolness53
United States668 Posts
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onPHYRE
Bulgaria907 Posts
I think what he means is by the definition of the 3 styles: All-in>Greedy>Standard>All-in | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On July 06 2012 00:34 onPHYRE wrote: I think what he means is by the definition of the 3 styles: All-in>Greedy>Standard>All-in I think the term "standard" here should be replaced by the term "safe", just to be clear. "Standard" really just refers to what is normal at the moment. If everybody is greedy, that doesn't mean it can defend an all-in, but it does make it "standard". | ||
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onPHYRE
Bulgaria907 Posts
On July 06 2012 00:37 SeaSwift wrote: I think the term "standard" here should be replaced by the term "safe", just to be clear. "Standard" really just refers to what is normal at the moment. If everybody is greedy, that doesn't mean it can defend an all-in, but it does make it "standard". Agreed, I think over the course of BW and most of sc2, people have associated those two terms together, since usually "safe" was the standard way to do things, and anything greedy or all-inish was a deviation from the norm. | ||
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yokohama
United States1116 Posts
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Greggle
United States1131 Posts
On July 06 2012 00:43 yokohama wrote: so is it going to be drg vs naniwa ro8? Yes. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_3/Code_S | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Orek
1665 Posts
On July 06 2012 00:11 SeaSwift wrote: Given that 3 of the Zerg GSLs were won by 1 person, 4 of the Terran GSLs by one person and both of the Protoss GSLs were by one person, I don't think balance has really changed the representation of wins of Code S. I think everyone would agree that Fruitdealer, Nestea and DRG all deserved their championships. Likewise, MVP was certainly deserving of all of his and only the staunchest of haters will deny that MC deserved his too. As for the Terran one-hit-wonder Championships Polt and Jjakji, that is arguable. I think Jjakji got his purely because he was very lucky with the format - he played Oz in the semifinals instead of fucking MVP in a TvT. He still deserved it, but I definitely wouldn't put it down to race balance. As for the Super Championship... I have no idea. Wow, never thought many people, including Jinro himself, would comment on something I wrote somewhat on a whim with half-joke. Terran is suffering in TvZ today for sure. What I meant is that it may be too early to conclude that it is really imbalance. Overall, Terran had had success in the scene for long time, especially up until ghost nerf. Therefore, I feel Terran did not have to explore different styles as much as Zerg had to. I am not blaming Terran for being lazy, but when a style is successful at the moment, players as a whole are reluctant to put time into exploring other styles no matter what race you play. So, let's just see what Terran will come up with in the next several months. If nothing seems to be working even after several months of serious trial and error by pro players, then it probably is imbalance. It took about 1 year for Zerg players to realize that mutalisk could not do enough economic damage vs decent Terran and switched to infestor. Metagame changed, players improved during that time for sure, but still finding new styles take time. | ||
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
Unfortunately, I have nowhere near the skill to pull that play off and will probably continue to lose every TvZ that goes to 4 bases | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 06 2012 00:51 Durp wrote: After watching game 1 between Ryung and DRG I was so happy to see a terran play like that. Unfortunately, I have nowhere near the skill to pull that play off and will probably continue to lose every TvZ that goes to 4 bases To be honest I think DRG had a big hand in losing that, going BL on the worst map to go BL on (wide open with no cliffs/ravines/spaces, expos towards the side and not towards opponent, largest map in the pool) and clumping so bad and having all his precious units explode. Fungal has range 9 while Seeker Missile has range 6, so there was no way those Ravens should have gotten those bombs on the Infestors. | ||
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Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
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andaylin
United States10830 Posts
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On July 06 2012 01:29 Whatson wrote: Nestea is sooo overrated, right guys? and hes in such a slump hell never get past Ro16 | ||
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HappyTimePANDA
United States167 Posts
but DRG was DRG today and Nestea was solid.. even though SuperNOva was playing with nerves the whole day. Ryung looked good the first game then the others looked better. | ||
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Wein
Brazil452 Posts
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2012 Posts
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
yup being in code s season after season is soooooo overrated i mean look at how he didnt even make it out of his group .... OH WAIT NESTEA IS AWESOME?!!!? YEAAAAAAAAAAH | ||
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