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IPL Face Off: San Francisco Showdown - TAC3 Finals - Page 5

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Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
August 01 2012 21:41 GMT
#81
This is the first time I've seen Liquid have a bigger roster in a team league other than versus mouz.
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Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
August 01 2012 21:44 GMT
#82
just watched liquid vs slayers loser bracket finals, this will be epic!
zeratul_jf
Profile Joined October 2011
United States808 Posts
August 01 2012 21:45 GMT
#83
Just fly out Taeja and Losira, basically what will decide the match. Oh well still excited
Acronysis
Profile Joined November 2011
872 Posts
August 01 2012 21:54 GMT
#84
Pretty cool - it's always a wonderful experience to see live team league finals because they're just so rare - not to mention one of the teams being Liquid! Wooooh

Can't wait!
The multiplying villanies of man do swarm upon him.
Sozai
Profile Joined March 2012
United States27 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 21:57:05
August 01 2012 21:55 GMT
#85
I'm not a fan of having an aces showmatch before the finals, If I was in the coaches position of one of these teams I would send my least significant players to the showmatch, someone I'm sure I won't even use in the event. Why would I want to send Taeja out and make him play seven games, potentially exhausting him and giving IM players the opportunity to practice against him?

And if I'm Taeja why would I use any real builds? I'll just proxy 2 rax every game so that IM can't see what I might actually have planned, as they would be able tell their players to adjust accordingly.

The whole set up just encourages the teams to not take it seriously, as there's too much of a risk to have it negatively affect your performance in the actual match.

IMO they should scrap it, or have it played afterwards.
-FoX
Profile Joined November 2010
United States479 Posts
August 01 2012 21:59 GMT
#86
Can't wait to be there live to watch all of this! All bay all day!
IGNProLeague
Profile Joined April 2011
1184 Posts
August 01 2012 21:59 GMT
#87
On August 02 2012 06:55 Sozai wrote:
I'm not a fan of having an aces showmatch before the finals, If I was in the coaches position of one of these teams I would send my least significant players to the showmatch, someone I'm sure I won't even use in the event. Why would I want to send Taeja out and make him play seven games, potentially exhausting him and giving IM players the opportunity to practice against him?

And if I'm Taeja why would I use any real builds? I'll just proxy 2 rax every game so that IM can't see what I might actually have planned, as they would be able tell their players to adjust accordingly.

The whole set up just encourages the teams to not take it seriously, as there's too much of a risk to have it negatively affect your performance in the actual match.

IMO they should scrap it, or have it played afterwards.

Ok, it's gone.
nigel
Profile Joined September 2010
63 Posts
August 01 2012 22:03 GMT
#88
On August 02 2012 06:59 IGNProLeague wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 06:55 Sozai wrote:
I'm not a fan of having an aces showmatch before the finals, If I was in the coaches position of one of these teams I would send my least significant players to the showmatch, someone I'm sure I won't even use in the event. Why would I want to send Taeja out and make him play seven games, potentially exhausting him and giving IM players the opportunity to practice against him?

And if I'm Taeja why would I use any real builds? I'll just proxy 2 rax every game so that IM can't see what I might actually have planned, as they would be able tell their players to adjust accordingly.

The whole set up just encourages the teams to not take it seriously, as there's too much of a risk to have it negatively affect your performance in the actual match.

IMO they should scrap it, or have it played afterwards.

Ok, it's gone.


Wait, this is a joke right?

Just do it after the finals!
IGNProLeague
Profile Joined April 2011
1184 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 22:14:16
August 01 2012 22:13 GMT
#89
Basically, we heard out the management of both teams regarding this showmatch and after weighing the pros and cons of having it, we sided with the team managers.

The pros of having the showmatch are obvious. It provides additional StarCraft 2 content for our live viewership as well as our online viewership. It works as a way to ramp up viewers online as more people become aware that the event is actually going on. Basically, we would benefit from it and viewers would benefit from it.

However, the negatives are of course the performance of our grand finalist players. Obviously, as an example, using TaeJa and LosirA in this showmatch would be a detriment to each team's chance of winning the Grand Finals, the entire reason they are at the event in the first place. The players would be losing endurance by muscling through a potential 7 games of all-out SC2 for a smaller sum of money and perhaps a degree of pride or accomplishment. This would leave them potentially exhausted by the time their teams need them for the main event. Now, for example, if teams decided to use other players that maybe would not impact the Grand Finals quite as much, there's still a chance that they would need to be used in the main event and having any of your players not at 100% for this important match is a huge detriment to both sides.

Basically to preserve the integrity of the games in the Grand Final, the big finale, the main event, the REAL reason why anyone would be watching Face Off in the first place, we have decided to scrap the showmatch and will instead be focusing on providing other exciting StarCraft 2 content in its place, as well as beginning the actual Grand Final match earlier. We understand that many of our fans and viewers may be upset, but please think about the value each player represents for their teams in this final match of Team Arena Challenge 3.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 01 2012 22:23 GMT
#90
great decision, IPL
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LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
August 01 2012 22:23 GMT
#91
On August 02 2012 07:13 IGNProLeague wrote:
Basically, we heard out the management of both teams regarding this showmatch and after weighing the pros and cons of having it, we sided with the team managers.

The pros of having the showmatch are obvious. It provides additional StarCraft 2 content for our live viewership as well as our online viewership. It works as a way to ramp up viewers online as more people become aware that the event is actually going on. Basically, we would benefit from it and viewers would benefit from it.

However, the negatives are of course the performance of our grand finalist players. Obviously, as an example, using TaeJa and LosirA in this showmatch would be a detriment to each team's chance of winning the Grand Finals, the entire reason they are at the event in the first place. The players would be losing endurance by muscling through a potential 7 games of all-out SC2 for a smaller sum of money and perhaps a degree of pride or accomplishment. This would leave them potentially exhausted by the time their teams need them for the main event. Now, for example, if teams decided to use other players that maybe would not impact the Grand Finals quite as much, there's still a chance that they would need to be used in the main event and having any of your players not at 100% for this important match is a huge detriment to both sides.

Basically to preserve the integrity of the games in the Grand Final, the big finale, the main event, the REAL reason why anyone would be watching Face Off in the first place, we have decided to scrap the showmatch and will instead be focusing on providing other exciting StarCraft 2 content in its place, as well as beginning the actual Grand Final match earlier. We understand that many of our fans and viewers may be upset, but please think about the value each player represents for their teams in this final match of Team Arena Challenge 3.


Good decision! I wonder what the other SC2 content will be. Maybe a team monobattle, all random?
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Sozai
Profile Joined March 2012
United States27 Posts
August 01 2012 22:24 GMT
#92
That right there is why I've always respected IPL. They take feedback seriously and adjust accordingly. <3 <3

It was a cool idea but I think ultimately scrapping it is the best decision.
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
August 01 2012 22:37 GMT
#93
On August 02 2012 07:13 IGNProLeague wrote:
Basically, we heard out the management of both teams regarding this showmatch and after weighing the pros and cons of having it, we sided with the team managers.

The pros of having the showmatch are obvious. It provides additional StarCraft 2 content for our live viewership as well as our online viewership. It works as a way to ramp up viewers online as more people become aware that the event is actually going on. Basically, we would benefit from it and viewers would benefit from it.

However, the negatives are of course the performance of our grand finalist players. Obviously, as an example, using TaeJa and LosirA in this showmatch would be a detriment to each team's chance of winning the Grand Finals, the entire reason they are at the event in the first place. The players would be losing endurance by muscling through a potential 7 games of all-out SC2 for a smaller sum of money and perhaps a degree of pride or accomplishment. This would leave them potentially exhausted by the time their teams need them for the main event. Now, for example, if teams decided to use other players that maybe would not impact the Grand Finals quite as much, there's still a chance that they would need to be used in the main event and having any of your players not at 100% for this important match is a huge detriment to both sides.

Basically to preserve the integrity of the games in the Grand Final, the big finale, the main event, the REAL reason why anyone would be watching Face Off in the first place, we have decided to scrap the showmatch and will instead be focusing on providing other exciting StarCraft 2 content in its place, as well as beginning the actual Grand Final match earlier. We understand that many of our fans and viewers may be upset, but please think about the value each player represents for their teams in this final match of Team Arena Challenge 3.


this is why I have not cancelled my subscription from IPL4. you guys are awesome.
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
August 01 2012 22:38 GMT
#94
Still wondering if anyone is going from southern california and would like to carpool! I want to go so bad but I can't justify the cost of gas by myself
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BretZ
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1510 Posts
August 01 2012 22:48 GMT
#95
Damn, wish i lived in the area. Can't wait to watch. Hope Liquid and the Taeja advantage take it! Gogo IPL
Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
August 01 2012 23:07 GMT
#96
good decision.
nigel
Profile Joined September 2010
63 Posts
August 01 2012 23:10 GMT
#97
I do agree that it is best to side with the team managers in this situation, but as someone who was on the fence about the $25 ticket and bought it because I was expecting two bo9s, I'm a little disappointed.
Bedrock
Profile Joined October 2010
United States395 Posts
August 01 2012 23:12 GMT
#98
On August 02 2012 07:13 IGNProLeague wrote:
Basically, we heard out the management of both teams regarding this showmatch and after weighing the pros and cons of having it, we sided with the team managers.

The pros of having the showmatch are obvious. It provides additional StarCraft 2 content for our live viewership as well as our online viewership. It works as a way to ramp up viewers online as more people become aware that the event is actually going on. Basically, we would benefit from it and viewers would benefit from it.

However, the negatives are of course the performance of our grand finalist players. Obviously, as an example, using TaeJa and LosirA in this showmatch would be a detriment to each team's chance of winning the Grand Finals, the entire reason they are at the event in the first place. The players would be losing endurance by muscling through a potential 7 games of all-out SC2 for a smaller sum of money and perhaps a degree of pride or accomplishment. This would leave them potentially exhausted by the time their teams need them for the main event. Now, for example, if teams decided to use other players that maybe would not impact the Grand Finals quite as much, there's still a chance that they would need to be used in the main event and having any of your players not at 100% for this important match is a huge detriment to both sides.

Basically to preserve the integrity of the games in the Grand Final, the big finale, the main event, the REAL reason why anyone would be watching Face Off in the first place, we have decided to scrap the showmatch and will instead be focusing on providing other exciting StarCraft 2 content in its place, as well as beginning the actual Grand Final match earlier. We understand that many of our fans and viewers may be upset, but please think about the value each player represents for their teams in this final match of Team Arena Challenge 3.


This also gives the players no excuses if they play bad. None of the "Oh he was mentally tired from this.. that.. etc"

Love it, and thank you for explaining and justifying the reasons. Grand finals, we hope you're a good one! :D
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Torrathyr
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada95 Posts
August 01 2012 23:14 GMT
#99
Glad to hear it, anything that could detract from the main event would be a huge draw back.
Talent < Skill < Practice < Dedication
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
August 01 2012 23:17 GMT
#100
good decision, glad to hear it
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