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Hondelul
1999 Posts
Started at 3:1 IM vs TL and Teaja just won. And ofc heared you (Teaja) won first match :D I know it´s over but man do I root for TL in this case ^^ So hard to not get spoilered a few hours later, looking forward to read through the long thread after the rebroadcast | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On August 12 2012 17:06 Leru wrote: No, but the team comming from the losers' bracket has to win the BO9 twice . From my point of view, it's pretty stupid, as the losing team has already proven itself by grinding the lower bracket.. Oh well.. The losers' bracket team also proved itself to be able at.. losing?  | ||
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MrSexington
United States1768 Posts
On August 12 2012 16:59 RogerShah wrote: I dont get it. Why has IM the first spot instead of TL. TL has won the first set 5-1 and lost the second set 3-5, still makes 8-6. Or can you consider the first set as a "warm up round"? The tournament is in double elimination format.
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On August 12 2012 17:06 Leru wrote: No, but the team comming from the losers' bracket has to win the BO9 twice . From my point of view, it's pretty stupid, as the losing team has already proven itself by grinding the lower bracket.. Oh well.. Regarding the production, it was horrible. The casters were ok, I actually preffer them over some of the ones that shout about anything Well, the good part about all this is that Taeja got a lot more fans now, including myself :D The losing team hasn't "proven" anything. The top bracket team had to "grind" the upper bracket. Double elimination is quite simple. You have to lose twice to be eliminated. Hence the name. Liquid had already lost once, this is why they went through the losers bracket. Therefore, one more loss would mean elimination. IM had not lost yet, therefore they came through the winner's bracket. If they were eliminated after losing the first BO9, that would be single elimination. Therefore they have to be beaten twice, so they are DOUBLE eliminated, like the name states. Liquid only need to lose once, because they have already lost in an earlier round. This loss would then be their second elimination. By winning the first BO9, Liquid put the two teams on equal footing. Liquid had lost once (in earlier rounds), and IM had also lost once (in the finals). That means whoever loses next has lost for the second time, and gets eliminated (the double elimination part) and the other teams wins the overall thing. It's quite simple really. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On August 12 2012 18:45 Hondelul wrote: Ah, just got to catch the rebroacast. Can´t wait for the vods... Started at 3:1 IM vs TL and Teaja just won. And ofc heared you (Teaja) won first match :D I know it´s over but man do I root for TL in this case ^^ So hard to not get spoilered a few hours later, looking forward to read through the long thread after the rebroadcast vods are already up. and they have been for a long time. | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
(and two gsl champs for good measure just because it's the finals, w/e) | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
Taeja: (at a 40 supply decifit): Why dont you just kill me now? Seed: Your punishment must be more severe. Only after carrying your team to the brink of victory in two Bo9s, you have my permission to lose. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9104 Posts
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
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AgniKai
70 Posts
I just woke up, headed to TL to check the results, and when I saw that there wasn't any big news "TAEJA KING OF THE WORLD, LIQUID BEST TEAM EVER", or any news or any kind, I understood that IM won. Too bad Taeja couldn't carry the whole team to victory.. | ||
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Full.tilt
United Kingdom1709 Posts
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princealexander
38 Posts
They should give 1 game advantage to winner bracket team. Not the whole series | ||
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Elurie
4716 Posts
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ShakkaFL
Norway647 Posts
On August 12 2012 20:14 princealexander wrote: What a horrible format for finals... They should give 1 game advantage to winner bracket team. Not the whole series if you want to make it completely fair, they should abandon double elimination then, so if a team loses early they're gone forever. | ||
Olli
Austria24420 Posts
 So sad for HerO but he played a great game against an in form GSL champion, nothing to be ashamed of! | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On August 12 2012 20:18 Elurie wrote: How do the players not hear casters sitting right behind them? Those must be some incredible IEMs and noise cancelling ear muffs. Military aircraft grade noise cancelling headsets. (Apparently!) The kind that takes the giant jet turbine engine 3 feet behind you, and makes it sound like a light humming. | ||
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Hondelul
1999 Posts
Gratz liquid, was a good fight nonetheless. Amazing Taeja, I was really worried as it seems to me as if he have issues when playing "offline". But after this performance I have to rethink that. On August 12 2012 18:57 JustPassingBy wrote: vods are already up. and they have been for a long time. thanks, but I was afraid of getting spoilers anywhere and just jumped on the rebroadcast without much searching. Well I typed it in google but got mostly TL links ^^ And that was not meant to be a complain towards IGN. And I didn´t read this thread obviously. Finally TL spoilerfree zone for me again. | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On August 12 2012 20:21 zefreak wrote: Double elimination is a fine format, and it makes for less variance than a standard single elimination. It only seems unfair to people that don't understand how it works. Yeah, because it's such a difficult concept to grasp that only the chosen few have been blessed with an in-depth understanding of it... no. Everyone who cares understands how it works and why it works the way it does. To imply that people who don't agree with it don't "get it" is either just arrogant, delusional or both. Don't be that guy. Fairness isn't an issue either. The issue is that, while it does reduce variance, it doesn't reduce it enough to justify turning a match that should be the MOST competitive in the whole tournament (the finals) into a match that is the LEAST competitive. In other words, the slight reduction in variance is simply not worth the ugliness that the format entails. The reasonable thing would be for organizers to decide whether they want to run a "perfect" format in terms of variance, which is the full round-robin league (ideally with multiple rounds) OR they want to run an actual elimination tournament in which case the cleanest and healthiest format to go for would be a single elimination tournament. There is different reasoning and purpose behind the two. The former is all about determining who the best player/team is in the most optimal way possible. The latter is about crowning a champion that may or may not be the best (elimination formats can not prove that), but is a champion only because he/they have conquered the tournament - in which case reducing variance isn't significant enough to be a priority that you would tweak the format around too much. The thing is that over 90% of sports and competitive events in the world have already figured this out, yet in the fringe "esports" scene people still act like double elimination is the most normal thing in the world. | ||
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