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shr0ud
Profile Joined April 2011
Finland222 Posts
June 20 2012 10:53 GMT
#621
On June 20 2012 19:50 zerglingrodeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 19:49 IshinShishi wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:46 SolidMustard wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:45 IshinShishi wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:44 mith652 wrote:
Maru 60 supply down, drg double expands, ahead on upgrades, dont see what he can do at this point, especially on metropolis.

It's interesting because he didn't really commit any micro/macro mistakes, at all.


You can question the decision to go for an attack, though

Can you though?What's the alternative?I don't think that playing passively vs a high caliber zerg such as drg , especially on a huge map like Metropolis will/may ever work.


If he could have managed to scout the muta style he would have abandoned the build and done something else, I think.

I honestly think a push before DRG got mutas out was the best thing Maru could've done. DRG would've just contained Maru with the mutas while getting an even more insane drone and hatch count and there would've been nothing he could've done.
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
June 20 2012 10:53 GMT
#622
On June 20 2012 19:50 Loxley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 19:48 Synwave wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:47 Loxley wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:46 Synwave wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:46 Loxley wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:44 Synwave wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:43 KiNGxXx wrote:
He's even spreading creep on those islands! What a beast! :O


OMG you're right!
So impressive!


Only 1 island right? And is it that impressive? You move your overlord there allready to check for a terran expansion, drop creep after lair and done Im shit and I already do that


*giggle*


Damn.. Bastard

So hard to tell with fanboyism out there


Well DRG is so good the creep existed before he even loaded in.

hint
+ Show Spoiler +
look up the map


I thought they removed the standard creep spread on the islands? Because its imbalanced for zerg that doesn't have to wait till creep recides..?


"Im shit and I already do that"

I dunno, you tell me. Apparently you already spread creep there.
Mysteries!
♞Nerdrage is the cause of global warming♞
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
June 20 2012 10:53 GMT
#623
On June 20 2012 19:50 IshinShishi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 19:48 Blaec wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:47 shr0ud wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:45 IshinShishi wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:44 mith652 wrote:
Maru 60 supply down, drg double expands, ahead on upgrades, dont see what he can do at this point, especially on metropolis.

It's interesting because he didn't really commit any micro/macro mistakes, at all.

DRG even had droned to 75 drones while holding that push wtf


It was like the anti-timing push, get to DRG's base just as he gets his mutas, his 1/1 and bane speed.

And a fourth and a fifth and 70 drones.


The two extra bases were after the push, dunno about the drone count. Either way Maru's semi all in did not shape up well against the build DRG was doing, simple as that.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
June 20 2012 10:54 GMT
#624
On June 20 2012 19:50 zerglingrodeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 19:49 IshinShishi wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:46 SolidMustard wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:45 IshinShishi wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:44 mith652 wrote:
Maru 60 supply down, drg double expands, ahead on upgrades, dont see what he can do at this point, especially on metropolis.

It's interesting because he didn't really commit any micro/macro mistakes, at all.


You can question the decision to go for an attack, though

Can you though?What's the alternative?I don't think that playing passively vs a high caliber zerg such as drg , especially on a huge map like Metropolis will/may ever work.


If he could have managed to scout the muta style he would have abandoned the build and done something else, I think.

I doesn't make sense for a terran doing a timing push to be scared of mutas coming to the front to help, quite the contrary, mutas "should" be units mainly used for harass, especially in such an early stage, they are quite weak compared to the many banelings you could make with the gas.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
June 20 2012 10:54 GMT
#625
On June 20 2012 19:50 LikeAG6 wrote:
I think terrans need to start 2rax'ing more.


Not sure how it's working at the pro level, but I've found 2 rax harder to execute as Terran and easier to defend as Zerg since the Queen buff. I don't think 2 rax is the answer aside from maybe forcing from extra greedy zergs to grab gas early for slings.
Digitalis
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1043 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 10:55:04
June 20 2012 10:54 GMT
#626
On June 20 2012 19:50 Loxley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 19:48 Synwave wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:47 Loxley wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:46 Synwave wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:46 Loxley wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:44 Synwave wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:43 KiNGxXx wrote:
He's even spreading creep on those islands! What a beast! :O


OMG you're right!
So impressive!


Only 1 island right? And is it that impressive? You move your overlord there allready to check for a terran expansion, drop creep after lair and done Im shit and I already do that


*giggle*


Damn.. Bastard

So hard to tell with fanboyism out there


Well DRG is so good the creep existed before he even loaded in.

hint
+ Show Spoiler +
look up the map


I thought they removed the standard creep spread on the islands? Because its imbalanced for zerg that doesn't have to wait till creep recides..?


You can't build a hatchery on a creep tumor, and honestly zerg is probably the hardest race to secure an island expansion
Dvriel
Profile Joined November 2011
607 Posts
June 20 2012 10:54 GMT
#627
Maro got nothing to do.Cant beat Zerg on macro at the moment if he doesns make some HUGE mistake,as DRG did laste game.Thats why Maru tried 2 base MMM all in,but failed.And there is so much creep in only 10 mins...
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
June 20 2012 10:55 GMT
#628
Gonna watch some Nada memories during the break: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=346483

(Never watched his BW games)
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
June 20 2012 10:55 GMT
#629
glad to see racial distribution looking even for ro16
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
June 20 2012 10:55 GMT
#630
On June 20 2012 19:53 Synwave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 19:50 Loxley wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:48 Synwave wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:47 Loxley wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:46 Synwave wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:46 Loxley wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:44 Synwave wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:43 KiNGxXx wrote:
He's even spreading creep on those islands! What a beast! :O


OMG you're right!
So impressive!


Only 1 island right? And is it that impressive? You move your overlord there allready to check for a terran expansion, drop creep after lair and done Im shit and I already do that


*giggle*


Damn.. Bastard

So hard to tell with fanboyism out there


Well DRG is so good the creep existed before he even loaded in.

hint
+ Show Spoiler +
look up the map


I thought they removed the standard creep spread on the islands? Because its imbalanced for zerg that doesn't have to wait till creep recides..?


"Im shit and I already do that"

I dunno, you tell me. Apparently you already spread creep there.
Mysteries!


Lol I know it was in before, but for tournament editions/ladder edition (before it was pulled) I thought they removed creep tumors. And i creep spread with overlords on potential bases, hard to do on metropolis since its not on the ladder..
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zerglingrodeo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States910 Posts
June 20 2012 10:55 GMT
#631
On June 20 2012 19:53 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 19:50 IshinShishi wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:48 Blaec wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:47 shr0ud wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:45 IshinShishi wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:44 mith652 wrote:
Maru 60 supply down, drg double expands, ahead on upgrades, dont see what he can do at this point, especially on metropolis.

It's interesting because he didn't really commit any micro/macro mistakes, at all.

DRG even had droned to 75 drones while holding that push wtf


It was like the anti-timing push, get to DRG's base just as he gets his mutas, his 1/1 and bane speed.

And a fourth and a fifth and 70 drones.

I agree with above, DRG was getting 4th and 5th at the same time and had saturation. Shouldn't be able to hold a 2 base push with all the upgrading he did on top of that.

I am not complaining though. . Zerg had a hard time in the past. Now it is time to let some wounds heal.


I do not think that Maru's allin was supposed to kill a zerg going for mutas.
"This is how philosophers should salute one another: 'Take your time!'' - Wittgenstein
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 10:58:06
June 20 2012 10:56 GMT
#632
On June 20 2012 19:53 Blaec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 19:50 IshinShishi wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:48 Blaec wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:47 shr0ud wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:45 IshinShishi wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:44 mith652 wrote:
Maru 60 supply down, drg double expands, ahead on upgrades, dont see what he can do at this point, especially on metropolis.

It's interesting because he didn't really commit any micro/macro mistakes, at all.

DRG even had droned to 75 drones while holding that push wtf


It was like the anti-timing push, get to DRG's base just as he gets his mutas, his 1/1 and bane speed.

And a fourth and a fifth and 70 drones.


The two extra bases were after the push, dunno about the drone count. Either way Maru's semi all in did not shape up well against the build DRG was doing, simple as that.

Nha, they were building a good time already before the engagement. Currently it is hard for Terran to play vs Z on certain maps. I can see banshees + raven contain still working. After 15CC.
I had a good night of sleep.
zerglingrodeo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States910 Posts
June 20 2012 10:57 GMT
#633
On June 20 2012 19:54 IshinShishi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 19:50 zerglingrodeo wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:49 IshinShishi wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:46 SolidMustard wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:45 IshinShishi wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:44 mith652 wrote:
Maru 60 supply down, drg double expands, ahead on upgrades, dont see what he can do at this point, especially on metropolis.

It's interesting because he didn't really commit any micro/macro mistakes, at all.


You can question the decision to go for an attack, though

Can you though?What's the alternative?I don't think that playing passively vs a high caliber zerg such as drg , especially on a huge map like Metropolis will/may ever work.


If he could have managed to scout the muta style he would have abandoned the build and done something else, I think.

I doesn't make sense for a terran doing a timing push to be scared of mutas coming to the front to help, quite the contrary, mutas "should" be units mainly used for harass, especially in such an early stage, they are quite weak compared to the many banelings you could make with the gas.


Yeah so maybe the allin just doesn't transition at all then? What was maru trying to accomplish?
"This is how philosophers should salute one another: 'Take your time!'' - Wittgenstein
shr0ud
Profile Joined April 2011
Finland222 Posts
June 20 2012 10:57 GMT
#634
On June 20 2012 19:56 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 19:53 Blaec wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:50 IshinShishi wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:48 Blaec wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:47 shr0ud wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:45 IshinShishi wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:44 mith652 wrote:
Maru 60 supply down, drg double expands, ahead on upgrades, dont see what he can do at this point, especially on metropolis.

It's interesting because he didn't really commit any micro/macro mistakes, at all.

DRG even had droned to 75 drones while holding that push wtf


It was like the anti-timing push, get to DRG's base just as he gets his mutas, his 1/1 and bane speed.

And a fourth and a fifth and 70 drones.


The two extra bases were after the push, dunno about the drone count. Either way Maru's semi all in did not shape up well against the build DRG was doing, simple as that.

Nha, they building a good time already before the engagement. Currently it is hard for Terran to play vs Z on certain maps. I can see banshees + raven contain still working. After 15CC.

Pretty impossible to make it work when you're up against 4 queens that you can't kite and a pdd can only do so much.
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
June 20 2012 10:57 GMT
#635
On June 20 2012 19:56 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 19:53 Blaec wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:50 IshinShishi wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:48 Blaec wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:47 shr0ud wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:45 IshinShishi wrote:
On June 20 2012 19:44 mith652 wrote:
Maru 60 supply down, drg double expands, ahead on upgrades, dont see what he can do at this point, especially on metropolis.

It's interesting because he didn't really commit any micro/macro mistakes, at all.

DRG even had droned to 75 drones while holding that push wtf


It was like the anti-timing push, get to DRG's base just as he gets his mutas, his 1/1 and bane speed.

And a fourth and a fifth and 70 drones.


The two extra bases were after the push, dunno about the drone count. Either way Maru's semi all in did not shape up well against the build DRG was doing, simple as that.

Nha, they building a good time already before the engagement. Currently it is hard for Terran to play vs Z on certain maps. I can see banshees + raven contain still working. After 15CC.


Oh, my bad. DRG so cocky double expanding against that, hilarious.
mith652
Profile Joined June 2012
Australia151 Posts
June 20 2012 10:58 GMT
#636
On June 20 2012 19:45 IshinShishi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 19:44 mith652 wrote:
Maru 60 supply down, drg double expands, ahead on upgrades, dont see what he can do at this point, especially on metropolis.

It's interesting because he didn't really commit any micro/macro mistakes, at all.


I really like the marine-marauder-hellion-medivac push that maru has done every game this series, and which I do a lot myself on ladder, but I don’t like the tank transition as that push is pretty susceptible to mutas. Personally I transition into thors while expanding, which ward off mutas pretty easily with a few turrets, throw down another armory and get double upgrades on mech. 3-3 Thors are amazing late game.
shineq
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1453 Posts
June 20 2012 10:59 GMT
#637
Yeah Artosis, I love the 2 Engineering Bay ZvZ as well.
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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
June 20 2012 10:59 GMT
#638
Bring back Steppes of War. Although I guess with steppes of war you'd have creep in your base at the 5 minute mark.

KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
June 20 2012 10:59 GMT
#639
New ZvZ with mass engineering bays? What?
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Vetrocide
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway600 Posts
June 20 2012 10:59 GMT
#640
double engi bay in zvz? what is this strat I haven't heard of
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