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On June 20 2012 19:50 zerglingrodeo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 19:49 IshinShishi wrote:On June 20 2012 19:46 SolidMustard wrote:On June 20 2012 19:45 IshinShishi wrote:On June 20 2012 19:44 mith652 wrote:
Maru 60 supply down, drg double expands, ahead on upgrades, dont see what he can do at this point, especially on metropolis. It's interesting because he didn't really commit any micro/macro mistakes, at all. You can question the decision to go for an attack, though Can you though?What's the alternative?I don't think that playing passively vs a high caliber zerg such as drg , especially on a huge map like Metropolis will/may ever work. If he could have managed to scout the muta style he would have abandoned the build and done something else, I think.
I honestly think a push before DRG got mutas out was the best thing Maru could've done. DRG would've just contained Maru with the mutas while getting an even more insane drone and hatch count and there would've been nothing he could've done.
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On June 20 2012 19:50 Loxley wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 19:48 Synwave wrote:On June 20 2012 19:47 Loxley wrote:On June 20 2012 19:46 Synwave wrote:On June 20 2012 19:46 Loxley wrote:On June 20 2012 19:44 Synwave wrote:On June 20 2012 19:43 KiNGxXx wrote:
He's even spreading creep on those islands! What a beast! :O OMG you're right! So impressive! Only 1 island right? And is it that impressive? You move your overlord there allready to check for a terran expansion, drop creep after lair and done  Im shit and I already do that  *giggle* Damn.. Bastard So hard to tell with fanboyism out there Well DRG is so good the creep existed before he even loaded in. hint + Show Spoiler + I thought they removed the standard creep spread on the islands? Because its imbalanced for zerg that doesn't have to wait till creep recides..?
"Im shit and I already do that"
I dunno, you tell me. Apparently you already spread creep there.
Mysteries!
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On June 20 2012 19:50 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 19:48 Blaec wrote:On June 20 2012 19:47 shr0ud wrote:On June 20 2012 19:45 IshinShishi wrote:On June 20 2012 19:44 mith652 wrote:
Maru 60 supply down, drg double expands, ahead on upgrades, dont see what he can do at this point, especially on metropolis. It's interesting because he didn't really commit any micro/macro mistakes, at all. DRG even had droned to 75 drones while holding that push wtf It was like the anti-timing push, get to DRG's base just as he gets his mutas, his 1/1 and bane speed. And a fourth and a fifth and 70 drones.
The two extra bases were after the push, dunno about the drone count. Either way Maru's semi all in did not shape up well against the build DRG was doing, simple as that.
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On June 20 2012 19:50 zerglingrodeo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 19:49 IshinShishi wrote:On June 20 2012 19:46 SolidMustard wrote:On June 20 2012 19:45 IshinShishi wrote:On June 20 2012 19:44 mith652 wrote:
Maru 60 supply down, drg double expands, ahead on upgrades, dont see what he can do at this point, especially on metropolis. It's interesting because he didn't really commit any micro/macro mistakes, at all. You can question the decision to go for an attack, though Can you though?What's the alternative?I don't think that playing passively vs a high caliber zerg such as drg , especially on a huge map like Metropolis will/may ever work. If he could have managed to scout the muta style he would have abandoned the build and done something else, I think.
I doesn't make sense for a terran doing a timing push to be scared of mutas coming to the front to help, quite the contrary, mutas "should" be units mainly used for harass, especially in such an early stage, they are quite weak compared to the many banelings you could make with the gas.
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On June 20 2012 19:50 LikeAG6 wrote:
I think terrans need to start 2rax'ing more.
Not sure how it's working at the pro level, but I've found 2 rax harder to execute as Terran and easier to defend as Zerg since the Queen buff. I don't think 2 rax is the answer aside from maybe forcing from extra greedy zergs to grab gas early for slings.
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On June 20 2012 19:50 Loxley wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 19:48 Synwave wrote:On June 20 2012 19:47 Loxley wrote:On June 20 2012 19:46 Synwave wrote:On June 20 2012 19:46 Loxley wrote:On June 20 2012 19:44 Synwave wrote:On June 20 2012 19:43 KiNGxXx wrote:
He's even spreading creep on those islands! What a beast! :O OMG you're right! So impressive! Only 1 island right? And is it that impressive? You move your overlord there allready to check for a terran expansion, drop creep after lair and done Im shit and I already do that *giggle* Damn.. Bastard So hard to tell with fanboyism out there Well DRG is so good the creep existed before he even loaded in. hint + Show Spoiler + I thought they removed the standard creep spread on the islands? Because its imbalanced for zerg that doesn't have to wait till creep recides..?
You can't build a hatchery on a creep tumor, and honestly zerg is probably the hardest race to secure an island expansion
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Maro got nothing to do.Cant beat Zerg on macro at the moment if he doesns make some HUGE mistake,as DRG did laste game.Thats why Maru tried 2 base MMM all in,but failed.And there is so much creep in only 10 mins...
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glad to see racial distribution looking even for ro16
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On June 20 2012 19:53 Synwave wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 19:50 Loxley wrote:On June 20 2012 19:48 Synwave wrote:On June 20 2012 19:47 Loxley wrote:On June 20 2012 19:46 Synwave wrote:On June 20 2012 19:46 Loxley wrote:On June 20 2012 19:44 Synwave wrote:On June 20 2012 19:43 KiNGxXx wrote:
He's even spreading creep on those islands! What a beast! :O OMG you're right! So impressive! Only 1 island right? And is it that impressive? You move your overlord there allready to check for a terran expansion, drop creep after lair and done Im shit and I already do that *giggle* Damn.. Bastard So hard to tell with fanboyism out there Well DRG is so good the creep existed before he even loaded in. hint + Show Spoiler + I thought they removed the standard creep spread on the islands? Because its imbalanced for zerg that doesn't have to wait till creep recides..? "Im shit and I already do that" I dunno, you tell me. Apparently you already spread creep there. Mysteries!
Lol I know it was in before, but for tournament editions/ladder edition (before it was pulled) I thought they removed creep tumors. And i creep spread with overlords on potential bases, hard to do on metropolis since its not on the ladder..
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On June 20 2012 19:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 19:50 IshinShishi wrote:On June 20 2012 19:48 Blaec wrote:On June 20 2012 19:47 shr0ud wrote:On June 20 2012 19:45 IshinShishi wrote:On June 20 2012 19:44 mith652 wrote:
Maru 60 supply down, drg double expands, ahead on upgrades, dont see what he can do at this point, especially on metropolis. It's interesting because he didn't really commit any micro/macro mistakes, at all. DRG even had droned to 75 drones while holding that push wtf It was like the anti-timing push, get to DRG's base just as he gets his mutas, his 1/1 and bane speed. And a fourth and a fifth and 70 drones. I agree with above, DRG was getting 4th and 5th at the same time and had saturation. Shouldn't be able to hold a 2 base push with all the upgrading he did on top of that. I am not complaining though. . Zerg had a hard time in the past. Now it is time to let some wounds heal.
I do not think that Maru's allin was supposed to kill a zerg going for mutas.
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On June 20 2012 19:53 Blaec wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 19:50 IshinShishi wrote:On June 20 2012 19:48 Blaec wrote:On June 20 2012 19:47 shr0ud wrote:On June 20 2012 19:45 IshinShishi wrote:On June 20 2012 19:44 mith652 wrote:
Maru 60 supply down, drg double expands, ahead on upgrades, dont see what he can do at this point, especially on metropolis. It's interesting because he didn't really commit any micro/macro mistakes, at all. DRG even had droned to 75 drones while holding that push wtf It was like the anti-timing push, get to DRG's base just as he gets his mutas, his 1/1 and bane speed. And a fourth and a fifth and 70 drones. The two extra bases were after the push, dunno about the drone count. Either way Maru's semi all in did not shape up well against the build DRG was doing, simple as that.
Nha, they were building a good time already before the engagement. Currently it is hard for Terran to play vs Z on certain maps. I can see banshees + raven contain still working. After 15CC.
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On June 20 2012 19:54 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 19:50 zerglingrodeo wrote:On June 20 2012 19:49 IshinShishi wrote:On June 20 2012 19:46 SolidMustard wrote:On June 20 2012 19:45 IshinShishi wrote:On June 20 2012 19:44 mith652 wrote:
Maru 60 supply down, drg double expands, ahead on upgrades, dont see what he can do at this point, especially on metropolis. It's interesting because he didn't really commit any micro/macro mistakes, at all. You can question the decision to go for an attack, though Can you though?What's the alternative?I don't think that playing passively vs a high caliber zerg such as drg , especially on a huge map like Metropolis will/may ever work. If he could have managed to scout the muta style he would have abandoned the build and done something else, I think. I doesn't make sense for a terran doing a timing push to be scared of mutas coming to the front to help, quite the contrary, mutas "should" be units mainly used for harass, especially in such an early stage, they are quite weak compared to the many banelings you could make with the gas.
Yeah so maybe the allin just doesn't transition at all then? What was maru trying to accomplish?
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On June 20 2012 19:56 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 19:53 Blaec wrote:On June 20 2012 19:50 IshinShishi wrote:On June 20 2012 19:48 Blaec wrote:On June 20 2012 19:47 shr0ud wrote:On June 20 2012 19:45 IshinShishi wrote:On June 20 2012 19:44 mith652 wrote:
Maru 60 supply down, drg double expands, ahead on upgrades, dont see what he can do at this point, especially on metropolis. It's interesting because he didn't really commit any micro/macro mistakes, at all. DRG even had droned to 75 drones while holding that push wtf It was like the anti-timing push, get to DRG's base just as he gets his mutas, his 1/1 and bane speed. And a fourth and a fifth and 70 drones. The two extra bases were after the push, dunno about the drone count. Either way Maru's semi all in did not shape up well against the build DRG was doing, simple as that. Nha, they building a good time already before the engagement. Currently it is hard for Terran to play vs Z on certain maps. I can see banshees + raven contain still working. After 15CC.
Pretty impossible to make it work when you're up against 4 queens that you can't kite and a pdd can only do so much.
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On June 20 2012 19:56 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 19:53 Blaec wrote:On June 20 2012 19:50 IshinShishi wrote:On June 20 2012 19:48 Blaec wrote:On June 20 2012 19:47 shr0ud wrote:On June 20 2012 19:45 IshinShishi wrote:On June 20 2012 19:44 mith652 wrote:
Maru 60 supply down, drg double expands, ahead on upgrades, dont see what he can do at this point, especially on metropolis. It's interesting because he didn't really commit any micro/macro mistakes, at all. DRG even had droned to 75 drones while holding that push wtf It was like the anti-timing push, get to DRG's base just as he gets his mutas, his 1/1 and bane speed. And a fourth and a fifth and 70 drones. The two extra bases were after the push, dunno about the drone count. Either way Maru's semi all in did not shape up well against the build DRG was doing, simple as that. Nha, they building a good time already before the engagement. Currently it is hard for Terran to play vs Z on certain maps. I can see banshees + raven contain still working. After 15CC.
Oh, my bad. DRG so cocky double expanding against that, hilarious.
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On June 20 2012 19:45 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 19:44 mith652 wrote:
Maru 60 supply down, drg double expands, ahead on upgrades, dont see what he can do at this point, especially on metropolis. It's interesting because he didn't really commit any micro/macro mistakes, at all.
I really like the marine-marauder-hellion-medivac push that maru has done every game this series, and which I do a lot myself on ladder, but I don’t like the tank transition as that push is pretty susceptible to mutas. Personally I transition into thors while expanding, which ward off mutas pretty easily with a few turrets, throw down another armory and get double upgrades on mech. 3-3 Thors are amazing late game.
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Yeah Artosis, I love the 2 Engineering Bay ZvZ as well.
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Bring back Steppes of War. Although I guess with steppes of war you'd have creep in your base at the 5 minute mark.
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New ZvZ with mass engineering bays? What?
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double engi bay in zvz? what is this strat I haven't heard of
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EPT
