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On June 18 2012 09:00 sansalvador wrote:
Who is fraer? Did someone of you see him play? What can we expect?
He's been doing really well in online cups lately. Maybe another Stepano/Nerchio story in the making...? I don't wanna overhype him or anything, but he's good and I'm curious if he can do well consistently and improve further.
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On June 18 2012 09:04 Vadrigar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 09:03 TheSir wrote:On June 18 2012 08:48 darkest44 wrote:On June 18 2012 08:45 Proseat wrote:
If they actually draw the bracket randomly, I wish they'd not do it behind closed doors. This bracket smells fishy, too many "coincidences" for my taste. Liquid Koreans kill each other? Stephano versus the third Korean? Ret vs SaSe? Really looks like they "made" certain matchups "happen" to help a certain Swede on the way.
Rofl, people are fucking crazy in this thread. Stephano gets them the most viewers period, why the hell would they devise some conspiracy to most likely get him eliminated and get less viewers and thus less $$. Grow up kiddies, random bracket is the most fair way and it won't always go the way you like it. Well im not a guy who thinks in conspiracy theory's or anything but i would kinda like to see a draw for the final bracket live in the open. Like in other sports with little balls in bowls etc in front of a audience and players, something like that. Do you want lawyers present too? Obama may be?
Obama is probably in on the conspiracy!
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Great event, great games - and finally foreigners stood up against Koreans. Only minus is that there are some moronic posters on Team Liquid that claims brackets were set up. So much whining kids on this site, especially in LR threads.
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On June 18 2012 09:04 Vadrigar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 09:03 TheSir wrote:On June 18 2012 08:48 darkest44 wrote:On June 18 2012 08:45 Proseat wrote:
If they actually draw the bracket randomly, I wish they'd not do it behind closed doors. This bracket smells fishy, too many "coincidences" for my taste. Liquid Koreans kill each other? Stephano versus the third Korean? Ret vs SaSe? Really looks like they "made" certain matchups "happen" to help a certain Swede on the way.
Rofl, people are fucking crazy in this thread. Stephano gets them the most viewers period, why the hell would they devise some conspiracy to most likely get him eliminated and get less viewers and thus less $$. Grow up kiddies, random bracket is the most fair way and it won't always go the way you like it. Well im not a guy who thinks in conspiracy theory's or anything but i would kinda like to see a draw for the final bracket live in the open. Like in other sports with little balls in bowls etc in front of a audience and players, something like that. Do you want lawyers present too? Obama may be?
Would that not be unfair to all the non-USA guys? Either have all the presidents or invite Punky Moon from the UN. To keep it fair.
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On June 18 2012 09:03 TheSir wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:48 darkest44 wrote:On June 18 2012 08:45 Proseat wrote:
If they actually draw the bracket randomly, I wish they'd not do it behind closed doors. This bracket smells fishy, too many "coincidences" for my taste. Liquid Koreans kill each other? Stephano versus the third Korean? Ret vs SaSe? Really looks like they "made" certain matchups "happen" to help a certain Swede on the way.
Rofl, people are fucking crazy in this thread. Stephano gets them the most viewers period, why the hell would they devise some conspiracy to most likely get him eliminated and get less viewers and thus less $$. Grow up kiddies, random bracket is the most fair way and it won't always go the way you like it. Well im not a guy who thinks in conspiracy theory's or anything but i would kinda like to see a draw for the final bracket live in the open. Like in other sports with little balls in bowls etc in front of a audience and players, something like that.
This.
Dreamhack can avoid this easy if they just do a public draw.
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On June 18 2012 09:05 TheBanana wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 09:03 TheSir wrote:On June 18 2012 08:48 darkest44 wrote:On June 18 2012 08:45 Proseat wrote:
If they actually draw the bracket randomly, I wish they'd not do it behind closed doors. This bracket smells fishy, too many "coincidences" for my taste. Liquid Koreans kill each other? Stephano versus the third Korean? Ret vs SaSe? Really looks like they "made" certain matchups "happen" to help a certain Swede on the way.
Rofl, people are fucking crazy in this thread. Stephano gets them the most viewers period, why the hell would they devise some conspiracy to most likely get him eliminated and get less viewers and thus less $$. Grow up kiddies, random bracket is the most fair way and it won't always go the way you like it. Well im not a guy who thinks in conspiracy theory's or anything but i would kinda like to see a draw for the final bracket live in the open. Like in other sports with little balls in bowls etc in front of a audience and players, something like that. SHould be cool to see reaction from players/audience etc plus it gives some extra legitimacy to a draw I thought that was how it was done, is it not?
Dunno? i have no idea how they do this.
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On June 18 2012 09:05 Skyline026 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 09:03 TheSir wrote:On June 18 2012 08:48 darkest44 wrote:On June 18 2012 08:45 Proseat wrote:
If they actually draw the bracket randomly, I wish they'd not do it behind closed doors. This bracket smells fishy, too many "coincidences" for my taste. Liquid Koreans kill each other? Stephano versus the third Korean? Ret vs SaSe? Really looks like they "made" certain matchups "happen" to help a certain Swede on the way.
Rofl, people are fucking crazy in this thread. Stephano gets them the most viewers period, why the hell would they devise some conspiracy to most likely get him eliminated and get less viewers and thus less $$. Grow up kiddies, random bracket is the most fair way and it won't always go the way you like it. Well im not a guy who thinks in conspiracy theory's or anything but i would kinda like to see a draw for the final bracket live in the open. Like in other sports with little balls in bowls etc in front of a audience and players, something like that. This. Dreamhack can avoid this easy if they just do a public draw.
time, they ran out of it.
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On June 18 2012 09:05 Embir wrote:
Great event, great games - and finally foreigners stood up against Koreans. Only minus is that there are some moronic posters on Team Liquid that claims brackets were set up. So much whining kids on this site, especially in LR threads.
I whish there was something like a moron fee for the tournament streams.
"You are detected as a fucking idiot. Please pay 10$ to resume watching. thank you."
Something like that.
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On June 18 2012 09:07 sansalvador wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 09:05 Embir wrote:
Great event, great games - and finally foreigners stood up against Koreans. Only minus is that there are some moronic posters on Team Liquid that claims brackets were set up. So much whining kids on this site, especially in LR threads. I whish there was something like a moron fee for the tournament streams. "You are detected as a fucking idiot. Please pay 10$ to resume watching. thank you." Something like that.
Don't give them ideas..
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On June 18 2012 08:56 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:54 Renfield wrote:On June 18 2012 08:52 bikefrog wrote:On June 18 2012 08:47 Skyline026 wrote:On June 18 2012 08:45 bikefrog wrote:On June 18 2012 08:41 Skyline026 wrote:On June 18 2012 08:36 Korelle wrote:On June 18 2012 08:34 OzVelas wrote:
hero keen taeja nerchio stephano are in the same bracket, what a joke What's wrong with that? It guarantees a foreigner will be in the final. Which means a higher number of people will be tuning in! Win/Win for e-sports. Pushing lesser players towards are final because they are swedish is not a win for esports. I dont believe this much of a coincidence. Guess again, because the Swedes have horrible roads ahead of them. Wait wut? Both are avoiding Stephano and the left over Koreans. How is this a horrible road? NaNiwa is terrible at PvZ. I'm already counting him out tbh. Cytoplasm will get destroyed by the winnier of HerO v TaeJa and SaSe is a PvT specialist without a single Terran in his path. I'm confident sLivko/DIMAGA or Fraer will take him out. No Protoss is good at P v Z right now, its too hard. lol what? pvz is favoring protoss in korea at the moment, huk just beat slivko to pvz. just lmao protoss isn't struggling at all in pvz the fact you think so is crazy. Watch more pvz and not go by your own play and you'll realize it's not bad for protoss at all.
Huk beating Slivko doesn't provide any evidence for your claim.
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On June 18 2012 09:05 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:59 LittleAtari wrote:I really hate what happened to huk. The only series he dropped the entire tournament was to stephano and slivko gets passed him  On top of that, he beat slivko. I know it went off of map score, but still, to be tied with someone you beat and seeing them pass is just very upsetting You can´t let him advance, because of beating sLivko. Otherwise, sLivko would be out, although he beat Stephano, who would advance. So you would have to go with HuK and sLivko, which would be unfair, because Stephano beat HuK. and so on.... There is no other way for three-way-ties than map-score.
well fanboys will be fanboys, I know trust me lol :D I was so mad after seeing Polt losing vs sase's canon rush in mlg that I got banned for a week. :D
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On June 18 2012 09:06 Pirat6662001 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 09:05 Skyline026 wrote:On June 18 2012 09:03 TheSir wrote:On June 18 2012 08:48 darkest44 wrote:On June 18 2012 08:45 Proseat wrote:
If they actually draw the bracket randomly, I wish they'd not do it behind closed doors. This bracket smells fishy, too many "coincidences" for my taste. Liquid Koreans kill each other? Stephano versus the third Korean? Ret vs SaSe? Really looks like they "made" certain matchups "happen" to help a certain Swede on the way.
Rofl, people are fucking crazy in this thread. Stephano gets them the most viewers period, why the hell would they devise some conspiracy to most likely get him eliminated and get less viewers and thus less $$. Grow up kiddies, random bracket is the most fair way and it won't always go the way you like it. Well im not a guy who thinks in conspiracy theory's or anything but i would kinda like to see a draw for the final bracket live in the open. Like in other sports with little balls in bowls etc in front of a audience and players, something like that. This. Dreamhack can avoid this easy if they just do a public draw. time, they ran out of it.
Yes, cause that would take huuuuge amounts of time to draw 8 matchups.
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Why are there so many conspiracy theorists in the SC2 community lol? The brackets were an inside job,, herp!
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guys i dont really think dreamhack cares enough about sc2 to fix the brackets. they have enough going on with dota2, lol the lan etc that they cant be bothered with fixing the sc2 bracket
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On June 18 2012 09:06 TheSir wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 09:05 TheBanana wrote:On June 18 2012 09:03 TheSir wrote:On June 18 2012 08:48 darkest44 wrote:On June 18 2012 08:45 Proseat wrote:
If they actually draw the bracket randomly, I wish they'd not do it behind closed doors. This bracket smells fishy, too many "coincidences" for my taste. Liquid Koreans kill each other? Stephano versus the third Korean? Ret vs SaSe? Really looks like they "made" certain matchups "happen" to help a certain Swede on the way.
Rofl, people are fucking crazy in this thread. Stephano gets them the most viewers period, why the hell would they devise some conspiracy to most likely get him eliminated and get less viewers and thus less $$. Grow up kiddies, random bracket is the most fair way and it won't always go the way you like it. Well im not a guy who thinks in conspiracy theory's or anything but i would kinda like to see a draw for the final bracket live in the open. Like in other sports with little balls in bowls etc in front of a audience and players, something like that. SHould be cool to see reaction from players/audience etc plus it gives some extra legitimacy to a draw I thought that was how it was done, is it not? Dunno? i have no idea how they do this.
I guess not seeing that twitter-message, sounds like an electronical draw.
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On June 18 2012 09:05 Skyline026 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 09:03 TheSir wrote:On June 18 2012 08:48 darkest44 wrote:On June 18 2012 08:45 Proseat wrote:
If they actually draw the bracket randomly, I wish they'd not do it behind closed doors. This bracket smells fishy, too many "coincidences" for my taste. Liquid Koreans kill each other? Stephano versus the third Korean? Ret vs SaSe? Really looks like they "made" certain matchups "happen" to help a certain Swede on the way.
Rofl, people are fucking crazy in this thread. Stephano gets them the most viewers period, why the hell would they devise some conspiracy to most likely get him eliminated and get less viewers and thus less $$. Grow up kiddies, random bracket is the most fair way and it won't always go the way you like it. Well im not a guy who thinks in conspiracy theory's or anything but i would kinda like to see a draw for the final bracket live in the open. Like in other sports with little balls in bowls etc in front of a audience and players, something like that. This. Dreamhack can avoid this easy if they just do a public draw.
I'm not in on the conspiracy theory, but a public drawing would be awesome.
If you're going to do a random drawing, why not make a show of it? Sure times would be tough, but if they'd scheduled it in I'd be interested in watching that as well.
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On June 18 2012 08:59 TheBanana wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:57 flowSthead wrote:On June 18 2012 08:53 TheBanana wrote:On June 18 2012 08:47 flowSthead wrote:On June 18 2012 08:40 TheBanana wrote:On June 18 2012 08:33 Ammanas wrote:
I still don't understand why aren't all the tournaments with group stages using GSL format groups, rather than round robin. In that format it can never happen that player only loses once and is eliminated... Because the GSL-group system is unfair. Example. Player A is God and beats everyone. Player B is horrible and loses to everyone. Player C and Player D are exactly the same. C and D goes 1-1 (2-1, 1-2) against each other. The guy drawing player B advances and never faces player A. That is not the way it would work: A wins vs B C wins vs D A wins vs C and A advances D wins vs B and B drops out C and D have a rematch that decides who goes on. Neither of them have an advantage. A still gets out, B still drops out. In what kind of scenario would A being God and B being terrible give an unfair advantage? You have to win twice to get out, no matter what. You have to lose twice to drop out, no matter what. A vs B 2-0 C vs D 2-0 A vs C 2-0 D vs B 2-0 C vs D 1-2 How is this not unfair for C? He went 1-1 against D and actually beat him 3-2, still goes out because he didn't get the free win vs B. Because he didn't win two best of threes. The map score doesn't matter as much as the best of threes. C didn't play consistently enough. Or D played more strategically by playing poorer strategies so he could face B. Either way, C didn't play well enough when it was all on the line. The map scores don't matter at all. C played better than D overall. It's unfair because one player gets a free win and one player gets a sure loss. No need to overcomplicate that simple fact.
No, C did not play better than D overall. And in any case, your example is pure fantasy. Very rarely does anyone get a "free win", but in either case whether C and D have played each other or not, they have to win twice. Even if A is God and B is shit, A does not have 100% chance to win and B does not have a 0% chance to win. Either can cheese or be cheeseed, or their opponents can be underprepared or tired or sick or playing sloppy. There are a lot of mental factors in the game as well, so it is not impossible for A to drop a best of three or for B to win one. Whatever happens the results to get out of the group remain the same: Win 2 best of threes.
Since we are not discussing the content of the games, your assumptions are impossible. Perhaps C won three close games against D, and D completely dominated the two games that he win. Perhaps C cheesed twice in the 5 games they played and D was unprepared. Perhaps D was not warmed up well enough when they played their first match and had a better showing after he could warm up.
Because we do not know the content of the games, the only thing I can say is that D got out because D won the games he had to win. I cannot say who "deserved" it or who played "better", but D did what he needed to.
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On June 18 2012 09:05 Skyline026 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 09:03 TheSir wrote:On June 18 2012 08:48 darkest44 wrote:On June 18 2012 08:45 Proseat wrote:
If they actually draw the bracket randomly, I wish they'd not do it behind closed doors. This bracket smells fishy, too many "coincidences" for my taste. Liquid Koreans kill each other? Stephano versus the third Korean? Ret vs SaSe? Really looks like they "made" certain matchups "happen" to help a certain Swede on the way.
Rofl, people are fucking crazy in this thread. Stephano gets them the most viewers period, why the hell would they devise some conspiracy to most likely get him eliminated and get less viewers and thus less $$. Grow up kiddies, random bracket is the most fair way and it won't always go the way you like it. Well im not a guy who thinks in conspiracy theory's or anything but i would kinda like to see a draw for the final bracket live in the open. Like in other sports with little balls in bowls etc in front of a audience and players, something like that. This. Dreamhack can avoid this easy if they just do a public draw.
Avoid what exactly? LOL.
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On June 18 2012 08:59 TheBanana wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:57 flowSthead wrote:On June 18 2012 08:53 TheBanana wrote:On June 18 2012 08:47 flowSthead wrote:On June 18 2012 08:40 TheBanana wrote:On June 18 2012 08:33 Ammanas wrote:
I still don't understand why aren't all the tournaments with group stages using GSL format groups, rather than round robin. In that format it can never happen that player only loses once and is eliminated... Because the GSL-group system is unfair. Example. Player A is God and beats everyone. Player B is horrible and loses to everyone. Player C and Player D are exactly the same. C and D goes 1-1 (2-1, 1-2) against each other. The guy drawing player B advances and never faces player A. That is not the way it would work: A wins vs B C wins vs D A wins vs C and A advances D wins vs B and B drops out C and D have a rematch that decides who goes on. Neither of them have an advantage. A still gets out, B still drops out. In what kind of scenario would A being God and B being terrible give an unfair advantage? You have to win twice to get out, no matter what. You have to lose twice to drop out, no matter what. A vs B 2-0 C vs D 2-0 A vs C 2-0 D vs B 2-0 C vs D 1-2 How is this not unfair for C? He went 1-1 against D and actually beat him 3-2, still goes out because he didn't get the free win vs B. Because he didn't win two best of threes. The map score doesn't matter as much as the best of threes. C didn't play consistently enough. Or D played more strategically by playing poorer strategies so he could face B. Either way, C didn't play well enough when it was all on the line. The map scores don't matter at all. C played better than D overall. It's unfair because one player gets a free win and one player gets a sure loss. No need to overcomplicate that simple fact.
There's nothing unfair about this. C and D play one match (the 5th one) to decide who advances. The result of the first bo3 isn't relevant, and if this situation came up in a tournament somehow, the players should recognize it and not give anything important away during their first series.
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