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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 18 2012 00:17 GMT
#6041
On June 18 2012 09:09 Mementoss wrote:
HuK got fucked


I knew a lot of guys would get butthurt about this. lmao

No he didn't.

I smiled when I saw the brackets for the top 16. ;o
sansalvador
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria308 Posts
June 18 2012 00:17 GMT
#6042
On June 18 2012 09:14 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 09:13 Skyline026 wrote:
On June 18 2012 09:09 Integra wrote:
On June 18 2012 09:05 Skyline026 wrote:
On June 18 2012 09:03 TheSir wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:48 darkest44 wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:45 Proseat wrote:
If they actually draw the bracket randomly, I wish they'd not do it behind closed doors. This bracket smells fishy, too many "coincidences" for my taste. Liquid Koreans kill each other? Stephano versus the third Korean? Ret vs SaSe? Really looks like they "made" certain matchups "happen" to help a certain Swede on the way.


Rofl, people are fucking crazy in this thread. Stephano gets them the most viewers period, why the hell would they devise some conspiracy to most likely get him eliminated and get less viewers and thus less $$. Grow up kiddies, random bracket is the most fair way and it won't always go the way you like it.


Well im not a guy who thinks in conspiracy theory's or anything but i would kinda like to see a draw for the final bracket live in the open. Like in other sports with little balls in bowls etc in front of a audience and players, something like that.



This.


Dreamhack can avoid this easy if they just do a public draw.

Avoid what exactly? LOL.



The fact that people wonder about how random random is. Nothing better to shut people up than to show them the draw.


Next world cup we will skip the draw and you are handed a note: " ooh yeah, Sweden will play Brazil, Spain and Argentina in pool play. It was random, so its ok"


ya.. lets compare this to the world cup... I don't know even...
There are, wat 5 people in this thread that believes the bracket are rigged for... whatever crazy reason, no matter what DH does there will still be at least 5 people still thinking it might rigged lol.

To be fair, the system is veeeery similar to WC/Euro. And that's because it is a fantastic system for such tournaments. Why not also copy the draw?

I mean, bring the casters together and make the draw a little event. Maybe even do it 2 hours before the event. Could be fun.

But you need to set the schedule for that. You can't shove it in at 2:00 am.
GunPaladin
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1205 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 00:20:03
June 18 2012 00:18 GMT
#6043
Are you fucking kidding me? First JYP now HuK, they should have groups of five from now on. This is ridiculous.
The doctors gave me 9 months to live, ]BIG[ gave me a life time.
NoGasfOu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1117 Posts
June 18 2012 00:18 GMT
#6044
150 foreigners with 7 Koreans or so; a good way to eliminate Koreans from tournament one by one. It's sad that nobody knows how the bracket is setup and no Korean zerg was invited. Of all the terrans only 3 are left and 2 of them are Koreans. Also, all the terrans are eliminated in GIGABYTE.
Tassadar/TheBest/Jjakji/Rain(terran)/Heart
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
June 18 2012 00:19 GMT
#6045
Anyone know if there are VODs for dreamhack?
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 18 2012 00:19 GMT
#6046
On June 18 2012 09:00 sansalvador wrote:
Who is fraer? Did someone of you see him play? What can we expect?


I remember him from BW. He had a lot of potential back then and now he's showing his stuff now. Good on him.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
June 18 2012 00:19 GMT
#6047
On June 18 2012 09:18 NoGasfOu wrote:
150 foreigners with 7 Koreans or so; a good way to eliminate Koreans from tournament one by one. It's sad that nobody knows how the bracket is setup and no Korean zerg was invited. Of all the terrans only 3 are left and 2 of them are Koreans. Also, all the terrans are eliminated in GIGABYTE.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it an open tournament? Even your grandma could have participated.
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
June 18 2012 00:19 GMT
#6048
damn. it`s a shame huk got owned. also its a shame liquid get a teamkill in ro16
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
June 18 2012 00:19 GMT
#6049
On June 18 2012 09:18 NoGasfOu wrote:
150 foreigners with 7 Koreans or so; a good way to eliminate Koreans from tournament one by one. It's sad that nobody knows how the bracket is setup and no Korean zerg was invited. Of all the terrans only 3 are left and 2 of them are Koreans. Also, all the terrans are eliminated in GIGABYTE.


yeah its sad that no one was invited.......
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 18 2012 00:19 GMT
#6050
On June 18 2012 09:18 GunPaladin wrote:
Are you fucking kidding me? First JYP now HuK.


Get used to the format. Not like it's the first time it's been used. -_-
Weson
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Iceland1032 Posts
June 18 2012 00:20 GMT
#6051
On June 18 2012 09:18 NoGasfOu wrote:
150 foreigners with 7 Koreans or so; a good way to eliminate Koreans from tournament one by one. It's sad that nobody knows how the bracket is setup and no Korean zerg was invited. Of all the terrans only 3 are left and 2 of them are Koreans. Also, all the terrans are eliminated in GIGABYTE.

Invited? It's a open tournament.
"!@€#" - as some guy said
sansalvador
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria308 Posts
June 18 2012 00:20 GMT
#6052
On June 18 2012 09:18 NoGasfOu wrote:
150 foreigners with 7 Koreans or so; a good way to eliminate Koreans from tournament one by one. It's sad that nobody knows how the bracket is setup and no Korean zerg was invited. Of all the terrans only 3 are left and 2 of them are Koreans. Also, all the terrans are eliminated in GIGABYTE.

Holy cow, I am surprised you can even use a computer.
Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1213 Posts
June 18 2012 00:20 GMT
#6053
On June 18 2012 09:11 Choboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 09:05 Skyline026 wrote:
On June 18 2012 09:03 TheSir wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:48 darkest44 wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:45 Proseat wrote:
If they actually draw the bracket randomly, I wish they'd not do it behind closed doors. This bracket smells fishy, too many "coincidences" for my taste. Liquid Koreans kill each other? Stephano versus the third Korean? Ret vs SaSe? Really looks like they "made" certain matchups "happen" to help a certain Swede on the way.


Rofl, people are fucking crazy in this thread. Stephano gets them the most viewers period, why the hell would they devise some conspiracy to most likely get him eliminated and get less viewers and thus less $$. Grow up kiddies, random bracket is the most fair way and it won't always go the way you like it.


Well im not a guy who thinks in conspiracy theory's or anything but i would kinda like to see a draw for the final bracket live in the open. Like in other sports with little balls in bowls etc in front of a audience and players, something like that.



This.


Dreamhack can avoid this easy if they just do a public draw.

avoid what?

They would stop minority groups of random internet users from making up implausible conspiracy theories for ever and ever.
Mutation complete.
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
June 18 2012 00:20 GMT
#6054
On June 18 2012 09:19 darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 09:18 NoGasfOu wrote:
150 foreigners with 7 Koreans or so; a good way to eliminate Koreans from tournament one by one. It's sad that nobody knows how the bracket is setup and no Korean zerg was invited. Of all the terrans only 3 are left and 2 of them are Koreans. Also, all the terrans are eliminated in GIGABYTE.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it an open tournament? Even your grandma could have participated.

Quite sure you had to have signed up before DH began in order to compete, there did not seem to be a BYOC tournement this time around
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
June 18 2012 00:20 GMT
#6055
On June 18 2012 09:09 flowSthead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 08:59 TheBanana wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:57 flowSthead wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:53 TheBanana wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:47 flowSthead wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:40 TheBanana wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:33 Ammanas wrote:
I still don't understand why aren't all the tournaments with group stages using GSL format groups, rather than round robin. In that format it can never happen that player only loses once and is eliminated...


Because the GSL-group system is unfair.

Example.
Player A is God and beats everyone.
Player B is horrible and loses to everyone.
Player C and Player D are exactly the same.

C and D goes 1-1 (2-1, 1-2) against each other.
The guy drawing player B advances and never faces player A.


That is not the way it would work:

A wins vs B
C wins vs D
A wins vs C and A advances
D wins vs B and B drops out
C and D have a rematch that decides who goes on. Neither of them have an advantage. A still gets out, B still drops out.

In what kind of scenario would A being God and B being terrible give an unfair advantage? You have to win twice to get out, no matter what. You have to lose twice to drop out, no matter what.


A vs B 2-0
C vs D 2-0

A vs C 2-0
D vs B 2-0

C vs D 1-2

How is this not unfair for C?
He went 1-1 against D and actually beat him 3-2, still goes out because he didn't get the free win vs B.




Because he didn't win two best of threes. The map score doesn't matter as much as the best of threes. C didn't play consistently enough. Or D played more strategically by playing poorer strategies so he could face B. Either way, C didn't play well enough when it was all on the line. The map scores don't matter at all.


C played better than D overall.

It's unfair because one player gets a free win and one player gets a sure loss.
No need to overcomplicate that simple fact.



No, C did not play better than D overall. And in any case, your example is pure fantasy. Very rarely does anyone get a "free win", but in either case whether C and D have played each other or not, they have to win twice. Even if A is God and B is shit, A does not have 100% chance to win and B does not have a 0% chance to win. Either can cheese or be cheeseed, or their opponents can be underprepared or tired or sick or playing sloppy. There are a lot of mental factors in the game as well, so it is not impossible for A to drop a best of three or for B to win one. Whatever happens the results to get out of the group remain the same: Win 2 best of threes.

Since we are not discussing the content of the games, your assumptions are impossible. Perhaps C won three close games against D, and D completely dominated the two games that he win. Perhaps C cheesed twice in the 5 games they played and D was unprepared. Perhaps D was not warmed up well enough when they played their first match and had a better showing after he could warm up.

Because we do not know the content of the games, the only thing I can say is that D got out because D won the games he had to win. I cannot say who "deserved" it or who played "better", but D did what he needed to.


Every game matters.
It's my example, C played better overall, went out because D got a free win. Actually player B was disqualified and never showed.
And if C and D played a third time C would smash D hard.
How much do I need to tweek the example to make you see the point?

How about, forget everything, and answer just this question:

Player X gets a free win.
Player Z does not.

Is that equal?
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
Tantaburs
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1825 Posts
June 18 2012 00:21 GMT
#6056
On June 18 2012 09:14 sansalvador wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 09:13 Skyline026 wrote:
On June 18 2012 09:09 Integra wrote:
On June 18 2012 09:05 Skyline026 wrote:
On June 18 2012 09:03 TheSir wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:48 darkest44 wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:45 Proseat wrote:
If they actually draw the bracket randomly, I wish they'd not do it behind closed doors. This bracket smells fishy, too many "coincidences" for my taste. Liquid Koreans kill each other? Stephano versus the third Korean? Ret vs SaSe? Really looks like they "made" certain matchups "happen" to help a certain Swede on the way.


Rofl, people are fucking crazy in this thread. Stephano gets them the most viewers period, why the hell would they devise some conspiracy to most likely get him eliminated and get less viewers and thus less $$. Grow up kiddies, random bracket is the most fair way and it won't always go the way you like it.


Well im not a guy who thinks in conspiracy theory's or anything but i would kinda like to see a draw for the final bracket live in the open. Like in other sports with little balls in bowls etc in front of a audience and players, something like that.



This.


Dreamhack can avoid this easy if they just do a public draw.

Avoid what exactly? LOL.



The fact that people wonder about how random random is. Nothing better to shut people up than to show them the draw.


Next world cup we will skip the draw and you are handed a note: " ooh yeah, Sweden will play Brazil, Spain and Argentina in pool play. It was random, so its ok"


Fair point. And I am pretty sure they are already regretting not doing it on stream. lessen learned I guess.


I would assume there was nothing to show. wouldnt they just randomize it digitally?
"One cannot play StarCraft with clenched fish.." ~Nick "Confucius" Plott
sansalvador
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria308 Posts
June 18 2012 00:21 GMT
#6057
On June 18 2012 09:20 Antithesis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 09:11 Choboo wrote:
On June 18 2012 09:05 Skyline026 wrote:
On June 18 2012 09:03 TheSir wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:48 darkest44 wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:45 Proseat wrote:
If they actually draw the bracket randomly, I wish they'd not do it behind closed doors. This bracket smells fishy, too many "coincidences" for my taste. Liquid Koreans kill each other? Stephano versus the third Korean? Ret vs SaSe? Really looks like they "made" certain matchups "happen" to help a certain Swede on the way.


Rofl, people are fucking crazy in this thread. Stephano gets them the most viewers period, why the hell would they devise some conspiracy to most likely get him eliminated and get less viewers and thus less $$. Grow up kiddies, random bracket is the most fair way and it won't always go the way you like it.


Well im not a guy who thinks in conspiracy theory's or anything but i would kinda like to see a draw for the final bracket live in the open. Like in other sports with little balls in bowls etc in front of a audience and players, something like that.



This.


Dreamhack can avoid this easy if they just do a public draw.

avoid what?

They would stop minority groups of random internet users from making up implausible conspiracy theories for ever and ever.

Add slasher to that.


Also, fuck Slasher.

Soma.bokforlag
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden448 Posts
June 18 2012 00:21 GMT
#6058
people honestly think the brackets arent random because hero and taeja will meet? thats so messed up.. you guys are just totally uninformed when it comes to probability
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
June 18 2012 00:22 GMT
#6059
Keen better bring his A-game against Stephano... gonna be tough. Gogo Keen!
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
June 18 2012 00:22 GMT
#6060
Ooo bad round of groups for EG. I wish Morrow made it through, but I'm glad Slivko has another shot to prove himself. I always hope that the RoX.KiS team does well, especially since I don't know them that well or see them often.
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