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ydeer1993
United Kingdom569 Posts
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sansalvador
Austria308 Posts
On June 18 2012 09:21 Soma.bokforlag wrote: people honestly think the brackets arent random because hero and taeja will meet? thats so messed up.. you guys are just totally uninformed when it comes to probability Looking at the amount of intelligence in here you better explain "probability". Veeery veeery slowly. ^^ | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
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sansalvador
Austria308 Posts
On June 18 2012 09:23 Dexington wrote: Just got home from work and am ecstatic to see Naniwa will lose first round tomorrow. He's awful against Zerg, stands no chance against my boy sLivko. I don't care about slivko. But watching Naniwa lose... I can see that beeing amusing. :D | ||
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Weson
Iceland1032 Posts
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oRacLeGosu
Norway151 Posts
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Tantaburs
Canada1825 Posts
On June 18 2012 09:20 TheBanana wrote: Every game matters. It's my example, C played better overall, went out because D got a free win. Actually player B was disqualified and never showed. And if C and D played a third time C would smash D hard. How much do I need to tweek the example to make you see the point? How about, forget everything, and answer just this question: Player X gets a free win. Player Z does not. Is that equal? So you are saying that a format designed for a 4 man group doesn't work when one player doesn't show and it becomes a 3 man group. the order of wins doesn't matter what matters it that if you lose 2 Bo3s you are out. It is, in essence, a 4 man double elim bracket. In your scenario player C lost 2 Bo3s player D only lost 1 | ||
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Skyline026
Netherlands1129 Posts
On June 18 2012 09:14 Integra wrote: ya.. lets compare this to the world cup... I don't know even... There are, wat 5 people in this thread that believes the bracket are rigged for... whatever crazy reason, no matter what DH does there will still be at least 5 people still thinking it might rigged lol. ah well, im off, goodnight. Its really simple, its really easy to say something is random when you know people will not be able to check if thats true. Take Two bowls.One bowl with the names of all the players in it. And 1 with simply upper and lower bracket spots. Grab out two players, grab a lower or upper bracket placement. Repeat untill everybody is placed and presto! You have a completely random draw that will take no more than two minutes. | ||
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Soma.bokforlag
Sweden448 Posts
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Let the stoning begin! >  | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On June 18 2012 09:25 oRacLeGosu wrote: TBH..DH has a responsability to get top koreans to ther tournament imo. I know it's a LAN for nerds as well and not just a gaming event, but a tournament of this magnitude is second rate without forcing koreans to labour at the stages. Ehm, no. It is an open tournament. Dreamhack has not to do anything. They are just providing an offer, to both play and watch the tournament. | ||
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Ireniicus
United Kingdom374 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On June 18 2012 09:27 Soma.bokforlag wrote: can someone refresh my memory, was it as many accusations of conspiracies when idra and jinro was in the same gsl-group as it is now? Shit happens brother. You just roll with it. :D | ||
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sansalvador
Austria308 Posts
On June 18 2012 09:27 Soma.bokforlag wrote: can someone refresh my memory, was it as many accusations of conspiracies when idra and jinro was in the same gsl-group as it is now? How can it not have been? It's tl.net, after all. ^^ | ||
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On June 18 2012 09:09 flowSthead wrote: No, C did not play better than D overall. And in any case, your example is pure fantasy. Very rarely does anyone get a "free win", but in either case whether C and D have played each other or not, they have to win twice. Even if A is God and B is shit, A does not have 100% chance to win and B does not have a 0% chance to win. Either can cheese or be cheeseed, or their opponents can be underprepared or tired or sick or playing sloppy. There are a lot of mental factors in the game as well, so it is not impossible for A to drop a best of three or for B to win one. Whatever happens the results to get out of the group remain the same: Win 2 best of threes. Since we are not discussing the content of the games, your assumptions are impossible. Perhaps C won three close games against D, and D completely dominated the two games that he win. Perhaps C cheesed twice in the 5 games they played and D was unprepared. Perhaps D was not warmed up well enough when they played their first match and had a better showing after he could warm up. Because we do not know the content of the games, the only thing I can say is that D got out because D won the games he had to win. I cannot say who "deserved" it or who played "better", but D did what he needed to. Two different systems, both have their drawsbacks. Imagine Huk's group being played GSL style: Huk>Morrow Slivko>Stephano Huk>Slivko Stephano>Morrow Stephano>Slivko Huk and Stephano advances because Huk didn't have to play Stephano. Is this more fair than having everyone meet everyone? No. Huk got eliminated because he lost 2-0 vs Stephano and dropped maps against both Morrow and Slivko. Stephano and Slivko performed better than Huk and thus Huk was eliminated. | ||
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oRacLeGosu
Norway151 Posts
On June 18 2012 09:27 Xoronius wrote: Ehm, no. It is an open tournament. Dreamhack has not to do anything. They are just providing an offer, to both play and watch the tournament. Not good enough..this is a huge marketing place with huge sponsors. They need top koreans to be top notch. If they have som ill illusion that pretending being some "peoples tournament for the working class" or something they are sorely mistaking in the long run. | ||
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Warpish
834 Posts
On June 18 2012 09:25 oRacLeGosu wrote: TBH..DH has a responsability to get top koreans to ther tournament imo. I know it's a LAN for nerds as well and not just a gaming event, but a tournament of this magnitude is second rate without forcing koreans to labour at the stages. It seems pretty first rate to me. I enjoy seeing the Euopean talent and the games where very good. | ||
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Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
On June 18 2012 09:29 oRacLeGosu wrote: Not good enough..this is a huge marketing place with huge sponsors. They need top koreans to be top notch. If they have som ill illusion that pretending being some "peoples tournament for the working class" or something they are sorely mistaking in the long run. As much as I love watching Korean players, stream numbers and audience turnout proves your statement otherwise. | ||
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