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On June 17 2012 18:41 Stormiii wrote: Dragon has played like 5000+ games as terran, im pretty sure that he knows that terran buildings can fly.
Pretty much this. Seriously guys. You're basically calling Dragon a complete retard just because he can't handle pressure well during a game. He's not that dumb.
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On June 17 2012 18:42 Serimek wrote:I kinda enjoy that game 
French people have no taste! Nah I also enjoyed it :D
Give apollo a break he, like the suicidal person, just wanted the pain to END.
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On June 17 2012 18:41 HaXXspetten wrote: I have a hard time believing a high level Terran would be unable to figure out how to float away buildings on his own, seems very unlikely that Apollo is to blame imo. Judging by Dragon's actions that game I actually find it highly likely that he didn't realize until Apollo said that.
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On June 17 2012 18:41 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 18:40 PoP wrote:On June 17 2012 18:38 mememolly wrote:On June 17 2012 18:37 PoP wrote:On June 17 2012 18:35 Waxangel wrote:On June 17 2012 18:34 PoP wrote: I don't think the apollo thing is that big a deal. Dragon is not retarded, he probably realized Cyto has no AA by now. Seriously. have you been watching the same game as the rest of us? Sloppy under pressure != retarded floating 400 gas at 3 minutes under no pressure? That's what I'm saying. He was extremely sloppy all game long. But he wouldn't have gg'd before trying to float a building, apollo sending that message or not. you don't know that
No one knows that expect Dragon thats why its maybe a good idea for apollo to not type shit out in chat for no reason. Is Apollo an admin? no? Im pretty sure he is just a caster.
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On June 17 2012 18:42 PoP wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 18:39 Waxangel wrote: I'm glad you can read his mind
the point is caster should never even POSSIBLY affect the game like that I can't read his mind, you can't either. No way to know what he would've done. You think he didn't realize Cyto had no AA after all this time, I think he did. And yeah Apollo should've not done this, definitely not. Just think it didn't matter at all here.
We know what he ALMOST did. He almost lost all of his buildings. Do you realize how close it was? If those infestors had been 1 screen closer, dragon might have lost. It isn't like he made an easy escape.
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On June 17 2012 18:43 Deathmanbob wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 18:41 Type|NarutO wrote:On June 17 2012 18:39 Deathmanbob wrote:On June 17 2012 18:38 Daray wrote: Spectators should NEVER say anything that might impact the results of a game, even if the chances are like .0001% terran should NEVER be allowed to force a draw like that. I get the whole race mechanic i just really hate when they win draw out a game they should lose because of it In theory you could have 8 sentries and 1 pylon at a ramp and Terran with 200/200 bio but no mining/minerals could never beat you because of forcefields. Would that be imbalanced as well? Its not like Cyto did play a draw here because Terran buildings can fly, but because he failed to keep 3(?) hatcheries alive, with a superior army.... and mapcontrol. thats a valid point, even though i dont think it could EVER happen that way. What i dont like is the fact that one player CANT lose, no matter what, the WORST he could do was draw and i just dont think thats a fun thing to be in a tournament
The worst thing that he could have done was lose. He had an inferior army, no map control and Cyto had hatcheries + drones.. he was just too damn busy to sit in the middle and no defend them, leading to zero income, leading to a draw in the end.
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On June 17 2012 18:41 Stormiii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 18:39 Waxangel wrote:On June 17 2012 18:38 PoP wrote:On June 17 2012 18:36 elbooN wrote:On June 17 2012 18:36 [17]Purple wrote:On June 17 2012 18:35 mememolly wrote:On June 17 2012 18:34 elbooN wrote: dragon realized it was a draw after apollo said that... sigh yeah, I don't think he realised I think Dragon could tell that there were no AA Air units after his buildings. He literally did not float his buildings anywhere until apollo said it. No he did it when he had no chance to win anymore. I'm glad you can read his mind the point is caster should never even POSSIBLY affect the game like that Dragon has played like 5000+ games as terran, im pretty sure that he knows that terran buildings can fly. But he didn't know the Zerg had no Muta/Corrupters.
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But he couldnt make any units anymore. They should just make him land all of his buildings, cause zerg can't lift, and it would be same chances for both of them. That was stupid, that was cyto's game.
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Even though I think dragon is an idiot, I don't think apollo influenced the outcome of that game, but it still was very very stupid because it easily could have.
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Apollo was just thinking of us by trying to bring that game to its inevitable end sooner rather than later. Dragon refused the draw when he still had his orbital, still had the minimal chance. He lost that and said ok corner time!
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On June 17 2012 18:41 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 18:39 Deathmanbob wrote:On June 17 2012 18:38 Daray wrote: Spectators should NEVER say anything that might impact the results of a game, even if the chances are like .0001% terran should NEVER be allowed to force a draw like that. I get the whole race mechanic i just really hate when they win draw out a game they should lose because of it In theory you could have 8 sentries and 1 pylon at a ramp and Terran with 200/200 bio but no mining/minerals could never beat you because of forcefields. Would that be imbalanced as well? Its not like Cyto did play a draw here because Terran buildings can fly, but because he failed to keep 3(?) hatcheries alive, with a superior army.... and mapcontrol.
I do think it would be bad mannered to keep force-fielding your ramp if your opponent had a 200/200 army. It's different though imo.
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Meanwhile, TaeJa vs devz starts up on imba.tv ^^
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On June 17 2012 18:41 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 18:39 Deathmanbob wrote:On June 17 2012 18:38 Daray wrote: Spectators should NEVER say anything that might impact the results of a game, even if the chances are like .0001% terran should NEVER be allowed to force a draw like that. I get the whole race mechanic i just really hate when they win draw out a game they should lose because of it In theory you could have 8 sentries and 1 pylon at a ramp and Terran with 200/200 bio but no mining/minerals could never beat you because of forcefields. Would that be imbalanced as well? Its not like Cyto did play a draw here because Terran buildings can fly, but because he failed to keep 3(?) hatcheries alive, with a superior army.... and mapcontrol.
I have to agree that Cyto is responsible for not winning despite all Dragon's mistakes. No one else to blame, and certainly not Apollo even though he shouldn't ask for a draw.
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On June 17 2012 18:44 PoP wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 18:41 Stormiii wrote: Dragon has played like 5000+ games as terran, im pretty sure that he knows that terran buildings can fly. Pretty much this. Seriously guys. You're basically calling Dragon a complete retard just because he can't handle pressure well during a game. He's not that dumb. I've seen Dragon do some retarded shit. I've seen better players throw away games in even more stupid manner. Stop trolling.
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On June 17 2012 18:45 Fueled wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 18:41 Stormiii wrote:On June 17 2012 18:39 Waxangel wrote:On June 17 2012 18:38 PoP wrote:On June 17 2012 18:36 elbooN wrote:On June 17 2012 18:36 [17]Purple wrote:On June 17 2012 18:35 mememolly wrote:On June 17 2012 18:34 elbooN wrote: dragon realized it was a draw after apollo said that... sigh yeah, I don't think he realised I think Dragon could tell that there were no AA Air units after his buildings. He literally did not float his buildings anywhere until apollo said it. No he did it when he had no chance to win anymore. I'm glad you can read his mind the point is caster should never even POSSIBLY affect the game like that Dragon has played like 5000+ games as terran, im pretty sure that he knows that terran buildings can fly. But he didn't know the Zerg had no Muta/Corrupters.
Does it really matter? He could have at least tried to float like every intelligent Terran, he still could have floated them anyways then have them shot down by the non-existent Muta/Corrupter.
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Taeja vs Devs is on imbalanced.tv, up 1-0 now.
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On June 17 2012 18:41 Woizit wrote: To all those believing that Apollo had no influence on that game, realise that Dragon was actually floating all his buildings to the MIDDLE and only turned around after Apollo mentioned the draw.
He could still use the buildings untill his CC died.
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You're dumb if you think Apollo ruined the game. Dragon kept the buildings landed up until he lost his orbital, hoping to get any units out. After the orbital died, he instantly floated to the corner.
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The amount of ppl ragging on Apollo is absurd. Let it go and move on.
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