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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
June 17 2012 09:46 GMT
#501
On June 17 2012 18:46 Bergys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 18:41 Type|NarutO wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:39 Deathmanbob wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:38 Daray wrote:
Spectators should NEVER say anything that might impact the results of a game, even if the chances are like .0001%


terran should NEVER be allowed to force a draw like that. I get the whole race mechanic i just really hate when they win draw out a game they should lose because of it


In theory you could have 8 sentries and 1 pylon at a ramp and Terran with 200/200 bio but no mining/minerals could never beat you because of forcefields. Would that be imbalanced as well? Its not like Cyto did play a draw here because Terran buildings can fly, but because he failed to keep 3(?) hatcheries alive, with a superior army.... and mapcontrol.


I do think it would be bad mannered to keep force-fielding your ramp if your opponent had a 200/200 army. It's different though imo.


How is it bad mannered. Its a game-mechanic and if you can prevent losing, you do so. Perfectly valid
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Mosquitow
Profile Joined September 2011
England510 Posts
June 17 2012 09:46 GMT
#502
On June 17 2012 18:43 Daray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 18:40 JJH777 wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:39 sleepingdog wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:38 PoP wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:36 elbooN wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:36 [17]Purple wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:35 mememolly wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:34 elbooN wrote:
dragon realized it was a draw after apollo said that... sigh


yeah, I don't think he realised


I think Dragon could tell that there were no AA Air units after his buildings.


He literally did not float his buildings anywhere until apollo said it.


No he did it when he had no chance to win anymore.


Dragon didn't know how many ressources Cyto had - there was still the very slight possibility that Cyto had banked 250 for a hatch and didn't want to spend it until all of Dragon's production was gone.
I realize that's like 0,00001% possible, but still.

Well, first world problem here, I think we will be able to get over it.


If that was the case then Cyto would have just said no to the draw.... You guys are being ridiculous. There is no way Dragon didn't realize he could force a draw. 0% chance.


Well why the fuck did he not just fly _a_ building to the edge of the map earlier and not wait until the last second? Why risk it at all? 0% chance cmon man
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Because he was still trying to produce units with the mules and his command center ? Did you actually watch the game?
grindC
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany274 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 09:47:30
June 17 2012 09:46 GMT
#503
If anything, Blizz should make flying buildings run on fuel. Would make sense and fix the issue.

+ Show Spoiler +
not really, I think Terran buildings are fine how they are
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
June 17 2012 09:47 GMT
#504
In any base trade with terran you have to have a flying anti air unit, it's the same in any vs T MU, the Zerg fucked up. Now if FG didn't hit air, he would have had corruptors lol
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
SpiffD
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1264 Posts
June 17 2012 09:47 GMT
#505
On June 17 2012 18:45 Fueled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 18:41 Stormiii wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:39 Waxangel wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:38 PoP wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:36 elbooN wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:36 [17]Purple wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:35 mememolly wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:34 elbooN wrote:
dragon realized it was a draw after apollo said that... sigh


yeah, I don't think he realised


I think Dragon could tell that there were no AA Air units after his buildings.


He literally did not float his buildings anywhere until apollo said it.


No he did it when he had no chance to win anymore.


I'm glad you can read his mind

the point is caster should never even POSSIBLY affect the game like that

Dragon has played like 5000+ games as terran, im pretty sure that he knows that terran buildings can fly.

But he didn't know the Zerg had no Muta/Corrupters.


If he didn't know, he would've tried to float anyway.
Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
June 17 2012 09:47 GMT
#506
On June 17 2012 18:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
The amount of ppl ragging on Apollo is absurd. Let it go and move on.


Never!
Amove for Aiur
simmeh
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2511 Posts
June 17 2012 09:47 GMT
#507
lol bromance going on
byah!
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 17 2012 09:47 GMT
#508
" zerg imba " after forcing a draw with floating buildings LOL
oldahe
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria534 Posts
June 17 2012 09:47 GMT
#509
wtf khaldor in control massive bromance
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12632 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 09:48:46
June 17 2012 09:47 GMT
#510
On June 17 2012 18:44 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 18:41 Stormiii wrote:
Dragon has played like 5000+ games as terran, im pretty sure that he knows that terran buildings can fly.


Pretty much this. Seriously guys. You're basically calling Dragon a complete retard just because he can't handle pressure well during a game. He's not that dumb.

the time before he noticed he should be flying the buildings with / without apollo asked for draw had quite a large impact.
Why wouldn't dragon fly his buildings earlier when he had nothing against the broodlords?

Cyro could have destroyed a few buildings or damaged them if apollo didn't say anything

Dragon couldn't support all those production anyway
其疾如风，其徐如林，侵掠如火，不动如山，难知如阴，动如雷震。
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
June 17 2012 09:47 GMT
#511
On June 17 2012 18:46 Bergys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 18:41 Type|NarutO wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:39 Deathmanbob wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:38 Daray wrote:
Spectators should NEVER say anything that might impact the results of a game, even if the chances are like .0001%


terran should NEVER be allowed to force a draw like that. I get the whole race mechanic i just really hate when they win draw out a game they should lose because of it


In theory you could have 8 sentries and 1 pylon at a ramp and Terran with 200/200 bio but no mining/minerals could never beat you because of forcefields. Would that be imbalanced as well? Its not like Cyto did play a draw here because Terran buildings can fly, but because he failed to keep 3(?) hatcheries alive, with a superior army.... and mapcontrol.


I do think it would be bad mannered to keep force-fielding your ramp if your opponent had a 200/200 army. It's different though imo.

What does manners matter in that situation? :o
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
June 17 2012 09:47 GMT
#512
On June 17 2012 18:45 Fueled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 18:41 Stormiii wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:39 Waxangel wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:38 PoP wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:36 elbooN wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:36 [17]Purple wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:35 mememolly wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:34 elbooN wrote:
dragon realized it was a draw after apollo said that... sigh


yeah, I don't think he realised


I think Dragon could tell that there were no AA Air units after his buildings.


He literally did not float his buildings anywhere until apollo said it.


No he did it when he had no chance to win anymore.


I'm glad you can read his mind

the point is caster should never even POSSIBLY affect the game like that

Dragon has played like 5000+ games as terran, im pretty sure that he knows that terran buildings can fly.

But he didn't know the Zerg had no Muta/Corrupters.

Seriously?
I'm pretty sure after 5 minutes of flailing around with medivacs/banshees uncontested by air that he would have figured it out by then.
NGrNecris
Profile Joined January 2011
New Zealand855 Posts
June 17 2012 09:47 GMT
#513
On June 17 2012 18:46 Bergys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 18:41 Type|NarutO wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:39 Deathmanbob wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:38 Daray wrote:
Spectators should NEVER say anything that might impact the results of a game, even if the chances are like .0001%


terran should NEVER be allowed to force a draw like that. I get the whole race mechanic i just really hate when they win draw out a game they should lose because of it


In theory you could have 8 sentries and 1 pylon at a ramp and Terran with 200/200 bio but no mining/minerals could never beat you because of forcefields. Would that be imbalanced as well? Its not like Cyto did play a draw here because Terran buildings can fly, but because he failed to keep 3(?) hatcheries alive, with a superior army.... and mapcontrol.


I do think it would be bad mannered to keep force-fielding your ramp if your opponent had a 200/200 army. It's different though imo.

Its bad mannered to take advantage of your race's mechanics to win? Why do people even play this game
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
June 17 2012 09:48 GMT
#514
On June 17 2012 18:44 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 18:42 PoP wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:39 Waxangel wrote:
I'm glad you can read his mind

the point is caster should never even POSSIBLY affect the game like that


I can't read his mind, you can't either. No way to know what he would've done. You think he didn't realize Cyto had no AA after all this time, I think he did.

And yeah Apollo should've not done this, definitely not. Just think it didn't matter at all here.


We know what he ALMOST did. He almost lost all of his buildings. Do you realize how close it was? If those infestors had been 1 screen closer, dragon might have lost. It isn't like he made an easy escape.


Didn't he have tons of buildings at bottom left when the game actually ended? Like 5 or 6 at least. That's plenty enough to escape a couple infested terrans.

Fact is Apollo sent the message when Dragon had no chance anymore. That's when Dragon floated his buildings towards the corner, because he had no chance to make any units anymore.
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
June 17 2012 09:48 GMT
#515
On June 17 2012 18:47 SpiffD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 18:45 Fueled wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:41 Stormiii wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:39 Waxangel wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:38 PoP wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:36 elbooN wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:36 [17]Purple wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:35 mememolly wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:34 elbooN wrote:
dragon realized it was a draw after apollo said that... sigh


yeah, I don't think he realised


I think Dragon could tell that there were no AA Air units after his buildings.


He literally did not float his buildings anywhere until apollo said it.


No he did it when he had no chance to win anymore.


I'm glad you can read his mind

the point is caster should never even POSSIBLY affect the game like that

Dragon has played like 5000+ games as terran, im pretty sure that he knows that terran buildings can fly.

But he didn't know the Zerg had no Muta/Corrupters.


If he didn't know, he would've tried to float anyway.

he know, because there was no corrupter/muta killing his vikings/banshees
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
June 17 2012 09:48 GMT
#516
On June 17 2012 18:47 simmeh wrote:
lol bromance going on

They make a really good casting duo.
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
Misoza
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia571 Posts
June 17 2012 09:48 GMT
#517
Bah, just tuning in now, sounds like I missed some e-drama!

Can someone briefly give me a run-down of the previous draw game?
DrakeFZX3
Profile Joined October 2010
United States925 Posts
June 17 2012 09:48 GMT
#518
On June 17 2012 18:47 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 18:44 PoP wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:41 Stormiii wrote:
Dragon has played like 5000+ games as terran, im pretty sure that he knows that terran buildings can fly.


Pretty much this. Seriously guys. You're basically calling Dragon a complete retard just because he can't handle pressure well during a game. He's not that dumb.

the time before he noticed he should be flying the buildings with / without apollo asked for draw had quite a large impact.
Why wouldn't dragon fly his buildings earlier when he had nothing against the broodlords?

Cyro could have destroyed a few buildings or damaged them if apollo didn't say anything


Because he still had his Orbital. When his Orbital exploded, Dragon lifted all his buildings.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
June 17 2012 09:48 GMT
#519
When the main point of a 55 min game is a caster calling for a draw when it obviously is, you know there has been something wrong.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Chenz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1197 Posts
June 17 2012 09:49 GMT
#520
On June 17 2012 18:46 BadBinky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 18:44 PoP wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:41 Stormiii wrote:
Dragon has played like 5000+ games as terran, im pretty sure that he knows that terran buildings can fly.


Pretty much this. Seriously guys. You're basically calling Dragon a complete retard just because he can't handle pressure well during a game. He's not that dumb.

I've seen Dragon do some retarded shit. I've seen better players throw away games in even more stupid manner. Stop trolling.

Trolling? I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Anyhow, I agree with PoP in that Dragon would've tried to fly away his buildings anyway, the question is if he was going to do it in time to avoid the infestors.
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