When: Tuesday, Jun 12 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also rebroadcast repeatedly afterwards!)
Format
This double-elimination tournament features 24 teams from around the world and is an All-Kill team format. This match is being played for Winners Round 2. The first team to defeat everyone on the opposing team's roster (5 wins, or a best of 9), will move on in the Winners Bracket, while the loser will drop to LR2. Keep in mind that this has a $20,000 prize pool, and only six teams will make it to the money!
ThorZaIN < Tal'Darim Altar > Monster IdrA < Entombed Valley > Monster JYP < Daybreak > Monster PuMa < Antiga Shipyard > Monster HuK < Ohana > Monster Congratulations to MVP and Monster for the all-kill! They win 5-0 and move on to WR3! EG falls to LR2.
Map List
IPLMap Sanshorn Mists AE IPLMap Atlantis Spaceship IPLMap Antiga Shipyard IPLMap Daybreak IPLMap Tal'Darim Altar LE IPLMap Cloud Kingdom IPLMap Metropolis IPLMap Ohana IPLMap Entombed Valley
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The first map will be on a set rotation, and then it is loser's pick.
Casters
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DRG will all kill if he plays at all. He probably won't go first, but as soon as he goes out he will kill everyone. Realistically only PuMa and DeMusliM (maybe) has a chance at taking him out.
I think EG will lose too, but I'm surprised people aren't mentioning ThorZaIN along with Puma and JYP - he also performed well at MLG and can likely go toe-to-toe with most of that lineup, except for DRG and maybe Keen.
Thorzain, Puma, Demuslim, JYP, Huk line-up is powerful, but not as much as Keen, Genius, Finale/Tails, DRG, Sniper/Monster line-up. I wouldn't be surprised by an upset actually, if all those of EG plays.
Puma took a game of DRG last MLG and demuslim and JYP took a game off him the one before JYP has sick good PvZ so he could take down DRG IdrA also took a game from him in mcsl.. and huk took one from MLG, you only have to take one game.. Take DRG out though and still a sick line up but if EG play right they can take games of MVP, you cant say they have no chance.. but they are underdogs
I know IdrA isn't playing his best right now but didn't IdrA have a damn close series with DRG at one point? I think when IdrA hits his stride (maybe tonight ^^) he will be better than the IdrA we saw at MLG Orlando and be able to hang with the best of them!
It really depends on the players sent out. If MVP gives it there all, then they have it. Of the play mostly there B team EG has a chance. Looking foward to good games.
Wondering how used to lag the MVP team is. If they're not, it's like a 15% reduction in their capacity. EG should be able to put up a good fight. Whether or not HuK is forced to play will be another factor. Final score prediction is 5-3, going to MVP.
MVP definetly has the upper hand but A good string of kills by Puma or JYP and a one or two more spirnkled in by Thorzain, Huk, or Demuslim and I can definetly see this going in EG's favor.
MvP kinda beatable if they don't play DongRaeGu D:
and it's usually pretty random as to if they play DRG or not, IPL TAC seems to be a "who's awake that we can bother now" sort of deal for some of the bigger Korean teams
On June 13 2012 06:10 Waxangel wrote: MvP kinda beatable if they don't play DongRaeGu D:
and it's usually pretty random as to if they play DRG or not, IPL TAC seems to be a "who's awake that we can bother now" sort of deal for some of the bigger Korean teams
The first part of that statement made me think, "Like JD on Lecaf, or Flash on KT."
But I wonder if some less-famous MVP players would be sent out since I don't know if IPL TAC is a huge deal for them in the way that PL was for Brood War or GSTL is for the other Korean teams.
On June 13 2012 02:53 LowEloPlayer wrote: DRG will all kill if he plays at all. He probably won't go first, but as soon as he goes out he will kill everyone. Realistically only PuMa and DeMusliM (maybe) has a chance at taking him out.
I think you're forgetting about JYP as well who was recently sent out as the SlayerS ace an picked up a 3 kill. He's extremely talentd and underrated cause of his poor reputation against Korean terrans though that is slowly showing improvement as well
If those first speed banes had killed the main idra probably would have left then xD could have killed like 25+ drones with the first wave instead of 10
On June 13 2012 08:34 Karthane wrote: Really strange play from Monster. interesting.
That's the sort of ZvZ strategy I expect from Nerchio. Extremely aggressive, and just make units and attack at weird timings in the mid-game. Really effective.
On June 13 2012 08:38 Nosferatos wrote: what would you guys do against mass speed banes at that timing? Roach?
It looked like the Queens held out pretty strongly but I'd have to guess Roaches. IdrA was just unable to get his tech play that he wanted. When he started losing drones and his third base without any Infestors on the field, teching to Hive on 2base vs. 3base and down about 20 drones wasn't friendly either.
But yes in short I think roaches would work. Anyone mind clarifying if it doesn't? I guess MAYBE banelings of your own.
Monster is looking to take an All-Kill unless EG can throw a really strong player, problem is, they went through most of their best except HuK and PuMa.
Monster all-kill incoming? It's funny how the poll makes it seem sort of close. Maybe those votes were before monster went like 22-1 in 11 matches at anaheim.
On June 13 2012 08:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Monster tearing it up... EG getting beaten by their own sponsor...
Correction: zerg tearing it up
no monster is pretty good. it has nothing to do with race imbalance if that's what you're insinuating
Pretty good=has his entire army on one hotkey and grabs it and runs it to every drop.
Then again, monster was really far ahead, I haven't seen other games from him and I really really really do hope and think that he normally doesn't do that.
But really, pros who do that makes me slightly sick, you just shouldn't be able to do that and still be a pro.
On June 13 2012 08:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Monster tearing it up... EG getting beaten by their own sponsor...
Correction: zerg tearing it up
no monster is pretty good. it has nothing to do with race imbalance if that's what you're insinuating
You're probably right, but you gotta admit, zerg has been tearing it up.
Zerg is very good in Team League format.
Why do you think so?
Hard to give you an explanation, but I feel like Zerg is really good at bo1 against opponent you don't know before. T/P feel like they can use the preparation of knowing the opponent or use the mind games of playing bo3 more.
On June 13 2012 09:19 Warpish wrote: Koreans and their drinking IDs... Nestea, Coca, Fanta and now Monster.
I believe Keen is a drink like Sprite in Korea, right? I thought I remember that coming up because of the ceremony when Keen beat Coca. could be 100% wrong though
On June 13 2012 09:19 Warpish wrote: Koreans and their drinking IDs... Nestea, Coca, Fanta and now Monster.
I believe Keen is a drink like Sprite in Korea, right? I thought I remember that coming up because of the ceremony when Keen beat Coca. could be 100% wrong though
Yes, I think you're right, there's a drink called Keen too.
On June 13 2012 08:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Monster tearing it up... EG getting beaten by their own sponsor...
Correction: zerg tearing it up
no monster is pretty good. it has nothing to do with race imbalance if that's what you're insinuating
You're probably right, but you gotta admit, zerg has been tearing it up.
Zerg is very good in Team League format.
Why do you think so?
Hard to give you an explanation, but I feel like Zerg is really good at bo1 against opponent you don't know before. T/P feel like they can use the preparation of knowing the opponent or use the mind games of playing bo3 more.
I think terran used to be more dominant in the team league format given the shorter map distances promoting strong 1 base timings terran has a variety of.
I'm sort of in agreeance that in the current metagame zerg feel better in a Bo1 format. I can't pin my finger on it either, probably a combination of things. Like the queen range and ferrarilords meaning that zerg can more often not be cheesed out early game, so sniping them with build orders aren't as easy.
Evil Geniuses... you guys... I love you, but please GOD, PLEASE PRACTICE, take up a Korean-grade training schedule, these sort of spectacles cause me so much emotional and physical grief...
Just saw the last game but that was... I don't know... the sentrz drop was a good idea i think but against a guy on 3 bases who has nothing else to do and will send his roaches immediately your way...
After that standard muta rape, really painful to watch
On June 13 2012 09:35 ssg wrote: Wow, shocking upset, but no lz or incontrol EG?
over idra, jyp, thorzain, huk, puma?
EG has to buy better talent
These things happens; better days will come to EG because they have a lot of good players. Unless you want a fully Korean EG their roster is one of the best regarding foreign teams.
On June 13 2012 09:31 CosmicSpiral wrote: Doa says Monster isn't expanding as much as he should, yet he has all the bases on his side of the map...
Embarrassing exposition.
completely agree, he is saying stupid stuff, the game was so won when doa was saying that
He was on four base, but they weren't saturated....
every base his side of the map was taken and his main and nat were mined out and no drones were there leaving three bases and monster had 69 drones, quit embarrassing yourself fool
On June 13 2012 09:31 CosmicSpiral wrote: Doa says Monster isn't expanding as much as he should, yet he has all the bases on his side of the map...
Embarrassing exposition.
completely agree, he is saying stupid stuff, the game was so won when doa was saying that
He was on four base, but they weren't saturated....
every base his side of the map was taken and his main and nat were mined out and no drones were there leaving three bases and monster had 69 drones, quit embarrassing yourself fool
He was on 5 base with 2 mined out, and only 4 drones in one of the 3 mining base. He also didn't take the center base. His mineral income was at 1100 when he literally have the whole map. It was not exactly a top shelf macro performance.
If any of the IPL staff read this, could you consider removing the countdown timer bottom right during the rebroadcast? I don't mind the idea but its incredibly big and distracting.
Huh, I was talking to Liquid'KingstonHyperX and Liquid'BigfootNetworks about this match, and we all agreed EG needs a dedicated coach. And a Korean training house, don't forget the Korean training house.
On June 13 2012 10:17 Derez wrote: If any of the IPL staff read this, could you consider removing the countdown timer bottom right during the rebroadcast? I don't mind the idea but its incredibly big and distracting.
On June 13 2012 09:40 Nosferatos wrote: Demuslim should have played.
With the state of TvZ these days, I think Idra was the better choice.
I feel like rarely.. could you ever say "IdrA was the better choice" and be correct nowadays.... don't think this was one of them. All I remember is Demuslim beating Nestea at MLG...I really wish he was put in. More credit to Demuslim for actually being legit, he just gets downplayed on a team with such star-power.
Disappointing result overall, and this was the EG A game lineup. Monster is just on a tear it seems, wonder if he can continue this momentum after this and his MLG result.
On June 13 2012 09:40 Nosferatos wrote: Demuslim should have played.
With the state of TvZ these days, I think Idra was the better choice.
I feel like rarely.. could you ever say "IdrA was the better choice" and be correct nowadays.... don't think this was one of them. All I remember is Demuslim beating Nestea at MLG...I really wish he was put in.
Disappointing result overall, and this was the EG A game lineup. Monster is just on a tear it seems, wonder if he can continue this momentum after this and his MLG result.
Demuslim got 2-0'd by STX and Sanddbox this weekend :|
How is it that EG gets smashed in team leagues constantly? I understand MVP should be the better team, but their roster isn't so deep that they should be able to all kill even the decent foreign teams.
On June 13 2012 10:36 tree.hugger wrote: Huh, I was talking to Liquid'KingstonHyperX and Liquid'BigfootNetworks about this match, and we all agreed EG needs a dedicated coach. And a Korean training house, don't forget the Korean training house.
Wow, they don't have a coach who's dedicated? Spending money on the wrong things, maybe
On June 13 2012 09:40 Nosferatos wrote: Demuslim should have played.
With the state of TvZ these days, I think Idra was the better choice.
I feel like rarely.. could you ever say "IdrA was the better choice" and be correct nowadays.... don't think this was one of them. All I remember is Demuslim beating Nestea at MLG...I really wish he was put in.
Disappointing result overall, and this was the EG A game lineup. Monster is just on a tear it seems, wonder if he can continue this momentum after this and his MLG result.
Demuslim got 2-0'd by STX and Sanddbox this weekend :|
Wow really? How long before Demuslim is stopped being labelled a potentially great player to just "another" player?
On June 13 2012 11:26 zEnVy wrote: How is it that EG gets smashed in team leagues constantly? I understand MVP should be the better team, but their roster isn't so deep that they should be able to all kill even the decent foreign teams.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but EG, as a team seems to recruit players on their recent wins then once the player joins the team they "slump" (i.e. Huk)? Also Puma hasn't had any recent metionables either, has he? They just got 4-0 by MVP. I remember a couple month ago on IPL Liquid Sheth did the same thing and ALL-Killed their team. I used to cheer for these guys but with Idra's mega slump (and it seems Huk is there too), I guess I'll have to cross my fingers for Thorzain.
On June 13 2012 11:26 zEnVy wrote: How is it that EG gets smashed in team leagues constantly? I understand MVP should be the better team, but their roster isn't so deep that they should be able to all kill even the decent foreign teams.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but EG, as a team seems to recruit players on their recent wins then once the player joins the team they "slump" (i.e. Huk)? Also Puma hasn't had any recent metionables either, has he? They just got 4-0 by MVP. I remember a couple month ago on IPL Liquid Sheth did the same thing and ALL-Killed their team. I used to cheer for these guys but with Idra's mega slump (and it seems Huk is there too), I guess I'll have to cross my fingers for Thorzain.
Puma has been one of the most consistent performers for EG, he recently got 5/6th ( same as stephano ) at MLG.
On June 13 2012 09:40 Nosferatos wrote: Demuslim should have played.
With the state of TvZ these days, I think Idra was the better choice.
I feel like rarely.. could you ever say "IdrA was the better choice" and be correct nowadays.... don't think this was one of them. All I remember is Demuslim beating Nestea at MLG...I really wish he was put in.
Disappointing result overall, and this was the EG A game lineup. Monster is just on a tear it seems, wonder if he can continue this momentum after this and his MLG result.
Demuslim got 2-0'd by STX and Sanddbox this weekend :|
Wow really? How long before Demuslim is stopped being labelled a potentially great player to just "another" player?
As long as he continues to kick ass on stream, as long as he's continued to be hyped by many of his peers, and as long as he takes out guys like Nestea, HerO, and Ryung once in a while ¯\_(シ)_/¯
On June 13 2012 11:26 zEnVy wrote: How is it that EG gets smashed in team leagues constantly? I understand MVP should be the better team, but their roster isn't so deep that they should be able to all kill even the decent foreign teams.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but EG, as a team seems to recruit players on their recent wins then once the player joins the team they "slump" (i.e. Huk)? Also Puma hasn't had any recent metionables either, has he? They just got 4-0 by MVP. I remember a couple month ago on IPL Liquid Sheth did the same thing and ALL-Killed their team. I used to cheer for these guys but with Idra's mega slump (and it seems Huk is there too), I guess I'll have to cross my fingers for Thorzain.
Puma did win IEM and NASL S2 while under EG, and Huk won MLG Orlando. EG has floundered in teamleagues, but then again, SK-IM, which was probably one of the most stacked teams this GSTL, floundered hard as well. Got to give EG credit for this though: They had a pretty good showing at MLG, got 3 guys into pools, and Puma even won his group. Tonight was embarassing, but better teams have been all-killed before.
On June 13 2012 11:26 zEnVy wrote: How is it that EG gets smashed in team leagues constantly? I understand MVP should be the better team, but their roster isn't so deep that they should be able to all kill even the decent foreign teams.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but EG, as a team seems to recruit players on their recent wins then once the player joins the team they "slump" (i.e. Huk)? Also Puma hasn't had any recent metionables either, has he? They just got 4-0 by MVP. I remember a couple month ago on IPL Liquid Sheth did the same thing and ALL-Killed their team. I used to cheer for these guys but with Idra's mega slump (and it seems Huk is there too), I guess I'll have to cross my fingers for Thorzain.
Puma did win IEM and NASL S2 while under EG, and Huk won MLG Orlando. EG has floundered in teamleagues, but then again, SK-IM, which was probably one of the most stacked teams this GSTL, floundered hard as well. Got to give EG credit for this though: They had a pretty good showing at MLG, got 3 guys into pools, and Puma even won his group. Tonight was embarassing, but better teams have been all-killed before.
Huk won MLG Orlando in October 2011. You know how many matches they've played since then . How many months and/or years have to go by until he is considered in the same boat as Idra? I watched his stream when he was in Korea, and he consistently lost to high masters with questionable builds - go figure...im not even a toss player :| I think as more players come into the sc2 community, some of these players from EG, which were once considered "great" will now be called "good." We are already seeing the beginning of this with the MLG invitational that featured Stork, Flash (etc) transitioning over to Sc2.
On June 13 2012 11:26 zEnVy wrote: How is it that EG gets smashed in team leagues constantly? I understand MVP should be the better team, but their roster isn't so deep that they should be able to all kill even the decent foreign teams.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but EG, as a team seems to recruit players on their recent wins then once the player joins the team they "slump" (i.e. Huk)? Also Puma hasn't had any recent metionables either, has he? They just got 4-0 by MVP. I remember a couple month ago on IPL Liquid Sheth did the same thing and ALL-Killed their team. I used to cheer for these guys but with Idra's mega slump (and it seems Huk is there too), I guess I'll have to cross my fingers for Thorzain.
Puma did win IEM and NASL S2 while under EG, and Huk won MLG Orlando. EG has floundered in teamleagues, but then again, SK-IM, which was probably one of the most stacked teams this GSTL, floundered hard as well. Got to give EG credit for this though: They had a pretty good showing at MLG, got 3 guys into pools, and Puma even won his group. Tonight was embarassing, but better teams have been all-killed before.
Huk won MLG Orlando in October 2011. You know how many matches they've played since then . How many months and/or years have to go by until he is considered in the same boat as Idra? I watched his stream when he was in Korea, and he consistantly lost to high masters with questionable builds - go figure...im not even a toss player :| I think as more players come into the sc2 community, some of these players from EG, which were once considered "great" will now be called "good." We are already seeing the beginning of this with the MLG invitational that featured Stork, Flash (etc) transitioning over to Sc2.
all the foreigners, and most of the koreans, are going to get pushed into the "decent-aboveaverage player" category once BW pros start switching over full-time anyways lol
On June 13 2012 11:26 zEnVy wrote: How is it that EG gets smashed in team leagues constantly? I understand MVP should be the better team, but their roster isn't so deep that they should be able to all kill even the decent foreign teams.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but EG, as a team seems to recruit players on their recent wins then once the player joins the team they "slump" (i.e. Huk)? Also Puma hasn't had any recent metionables either, has he? They just got 4-0 by MVP. I remember a couple month ago on IPL Liquid Sheth did the same thing and ALL-Killed their team. I used to cheer for these guys but with Idra's mega slump (and it seems Huk is there too), I guess I'll have to cross my fingers for Thorzain.
Puma did win IEM and NASL S2 while under EG, and Huk won MLG Orlando. EG has floundered in teamleagues, but then again, SK-IM, which was probably one of the most stacked teams this GSTL, floundered hard as well. Got to give EG credit for this though: They had a pretty good showing at MLG, got 3 guys into pools, and Puma even won his group. Tonight was embarassing, but better teams have been all-killed before.
Huk won MLG Orlando in October 2011. You know how many matches they've played since then . How many months and/or years have to go by until he is considered in the same boat as Idra? I watched his stream when he was in Korea, and he consistantly lost to high masters with questionable builds - go figure...im not even a toss player :| I think as more players come into the sc2 community, some of these players from EG, which were once considered "great" will now be called "good." We are already seeing the beginning of this with the MLG invitational that featured Stork, Flash (etc) transitioning over to Sc2.
all the foreigners, and most of the koreans, are going to get pushed into the "decent-aboveaverage player" category once BW pros start switching over full-time anyways lol
pfffftttt... looks like someone wasn't watching the Kespa tournament this past MLG
I feel like EG shoudl release a few of their players. I feel like EG is just acculating players past their primes and it's pretty inefficient. EG has a high budget but they are overspending on mediocre players.
On June 13 2012 11:26 zEnVy wrote: How is it that EG gets smashed in team leagues constantly? I understand MVP should be the better team, but their roster isn't so deep that they should be able to all kill even the decent foreign teams.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but EG, as a team seems to recruit players on their recent wins then once the player joins the team they "slump" (i.e. Huk)? Also Puma hasn't had any recent metionables either, has he? They just got 4-0 by MVP. I remember a couple month ago on IPL Liquid Sheth did the same thing and ALL-Killed their team. I used to cheer for these guys but with Idra's mega slump (and it seems Huk is there too), I guess I'll have to cross my fingers for Thorzain.
Puma did win IEM and NASL S2 while under EG, and Huk won MLG Orlando. EG has floundered in teamleagues, but then again, SK-IM, which was probably one of the most stacked teams this GSTL, floundered hard as well. Got to give EG credit for this though: They had a pretty good showing at MLG, got 3 guys into pools, and Puma even won his group. Tonight was embarassing, but better teams have been all-killed before.
Huk won MLG Orlando in October 2011. You know how many matches they've played since then . How many months and/or years have to go by until he is considered in the same boat as Idra? I watched his stream when he was in Korea, and he consistantly lost to high masters with questionable builds - go figure...im not even a toss player :| I think as more players come into the sc2 community, some of these players from EG, which were once considered "great" will now be called "good." We are already seeing the beginning of this with the MLG invitational that featured Stork, Flash (etc) transitioning over to Sc2.
all the foreigners, and most of the koreans, are going to get pushed into the "decent-aboveaverage player" category once BW pros start switching over full-time anyways lol
pfffftttt... looks like someone wasn't watching the Kespa tournament this past MLG
BTW... WUT A MUNSTRUOS CREECHA! GLOURIOUS!
lol i'm not going to get into this argument here, but are you really comparing guys who practice 2 games at once, with starcraft 2 right now being at about 60-70% of their practice for the past 2-3 months, against players who have played full-time SC2 well over a year, and more of than not 2? PM if you want an argument, i'm not derailing this thread.
On June 13 2012 12:08 AngryFarmer wrote: I feel like EG shoudl release a few of their players. I feel like EG is just acculating players past their primes and it's pretty inefficient. EG has a high budget but they are overspending on mediocre players.
Who do you think should get cut? Keep in mind, it is not just about player performance, it is also about marketeability. It's unfortunate, but the funding comes largely from sponsors, who want the good marketing and exposure. With that in mind, it's very possible that a guy like Incontrol is worth more to EG than JYP.
On June 13 2012 10:36 tree.hugger wrote: Huh, I was talking to Liquid'KingstonHyperX and Liquid'BigfootNetworks about this match, and we all agreed EG needs a dedicated coach. And a Korean training house, don't forget the Korean training house.
Honestly I love Geoff (iNcontroL) but I think his best role for the team would be to step back and coach. He is a really good coach and a great motivator, he already kind of acts as the team dad so why not make that his permanent role at EG. (also he should still cast cause he is a really good host and caster)
On June 13 2012 14:15 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote: EG should fire Lzgamer, Demuslim, Machine and JYP. Then they can use the freed up money supply to buy mvp, squirtle and stephano.
On June 13 2012 14:15 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote: EG should fire Lzgamer, Demuslim, Machine and JYP. Then they can use the freed up money supply to buy mvp, squirtle and stephano.
Wow. Did not expected Monster to roll over EG best lineup :| Great job by MVP though. Monster is on a tear lately after his great MLG Spring Championship run.
On June 13 2012 14:15 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote: EG should fire Lzgamer, Demuslim, Machine and JYP. Then they can use the freed up money supply to buy mvp, squirtle and stephano.
I think it's better to build up a following with the players you have and make small changes over time. How can a team expect to generate loyalty if all they do, as you suggest, is buy any player that gets good in another team?
On June 13 2012 12:08 AngryFarmer wrote: I feel like EG shoudl release a few of their players. I feel like EG is just acculating players past their primes and it's pretty inefficient. EG has a high budget but they are overspending on mediocre players.
i really do agree with this, they seem to be too lax on them from what i've seen. Some i understand incontrol for example is important in the fact that he is out doing PR all the time but others like LZgamer and machine, i have no idea why they are still on the teams roster. Their pickups tho like JYP, puma and tzain i think are good pickups and not all that inefficient as you put it.
On June 13 2012 14:15 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote: EG should fire Lzgamer, Demuslim, Machine and JYP. Then they can use the freed up money supply to buy mvp, squirtle and stephano.
you're so funny
Why am I funny?
Weren't you temp banned for posting shit like this..
On June 13 2012 14:15 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote: EG should fire Lzgamer, Demuslim, Machine and JYP. Then they can use the freed up money supply to buy mvp, squirtle and stephano.
I think it's better to build up a following with the players you have and make small changes over time. How can a team expect to generate loyalty if all they do, as you suggest, is buy any player that gets good in another team?
They can buy good players and then build up a following for them. EG seems to be good at marketing itself so I don't think it'll have a problem promoting say EGStephano, EGMVP...
On June 13 2012 14:15 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote: EG should fire Lzgamer, Demuslim, Machine and JYP. Then they can use the freed up money supply to buy mvp, squirtle and stephano.
you're so funny
Why am I funny?
Weren't you temp banned for posting shit like this..
I was unfairly temp banned several times because TL does not get my sense of humor.
On June 13 2012 10:36 tree.hugger wrote: Huh, I was talking to Liquid'KingstonHyperX and Liquid'BigfootNetworks about this match, and we all agreed EG needs a dedicated coach. And a Korean training house, don't forget the Korean training house.
Honestly I love Geoff (iNcontroL) but I think his best role for the team would be to step back and coach. He is a really good coach and a great motivator, he already kind of acts as the team dad so why not make that his permanent role at EG. (also he should still cast cause he is a really good host and caster)
~YourFriend
Honestly, it may seem different, but iNcontroL does not get paid his salary for being a pro gamer. He's not on EG to win games. I don't think your argument has any depth, because he's already getting paid for being the team captain, team marketer, and team caster. He plays right now to expand his opportunities and make possible a better future. EG just needs to get rid of LzGamer. I'd say get rid of Machine too, but he's kinda part of the marketing family right now. Even though he's not good, he's important to the team. LzGamer is just worthless though. He's BM, he's not good enough to compete at a decent level, and he's not active in EG's marketing. He has pretty much no worth.
If EG were serious about winning championships though, They'd have to completely get rid of Lz and Machine, and they'd have to focus DeMuslim more on smaller tournaments first. IdrA is pretty essential to the team, but he's going to be losing for a while longer before anything changes. Kill Lz and Machine, and recruit a huge name, and EG would be able to shape up pretty well. Invest a bunch into a 2nd huge player, and they'd be a top GSTL team.
On June 13 2012 12:08 AngryFarmer wrote: I feel like EG shoudl release a few of their players. I feel like EG is just acculating players past their primes and it's pretty inefficient. EG has a high budget but they are overspending on mediocre players.
><" No they are all good players I think, but for some reason, EG players tend to do poorly when they join the team for some reason. Probably just bad luck.
On June 13 2012 14:15 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote: EG should fire Lzgamer, Demuslim, Machine and JYP. Then they can use the freed up money supply to buy mvp, squirtle and stephano.
you're so funny
Why am I funny?
Weren't you temp banned for posting shit like this..
I was unfairly temp banned several times because TL does not get my sense of humor.
Might want to work on delivery. Given responses though your timing must be good.
Since it's the internet you might need to throw a "j/k" at the end of every post. Ever.
On June 13 2012 10:36 tree.hugger wrote: Huh, I was talking to Liquid'KingstonHyperX and Liquid'BigfootNetworks about this match, and we all agreed EG needs a dedicated coach. And a Korean training house, don't forget the Korean training house.
Honestly I love Geoff (iNcontroL) but I think his best role for the team would be to step back and coach. He is a really good coach and a great motivator, he already kind of acts as the team dad so why not make that his permanent role at EG. (also he should still cast cause he is a really good host and caster)
~YourFriend
Honestly, it may seem different, but iNcontroL does not get paid his salary for being a pro gamer. He's not on EG to win games. I don't think your argument has any depth, because he's already getting paid for being the team captain, team marketer, and team caster. He plays right now to expand his opportunities and make possible a better future. EG just needs to get rid of LzGamer. I'd say get rid of Machine too, but he's kinda part of the marketing family right now. Even though he's not good, he's important to the team. LzGamer is just worthless though. He's BM, he's not good enough to compete at a decent level, and he's not active in EG's marketing. He has pretty much no worth.
If EG were serious about winning championships though, They'd have to completely get rid of Lz and Machine, and they'd have to focus DeMuslim more on smaller tournaments first. IdrA is pretty essential to the team, but he's going to be losing for a while longer before anything changes. Kill Lz and Machine, and recruit a huge name, and EG would be able to shape up pretty well. Invest a bunch into a 2nd huge player, and they'd be a top GSTL team.
Firing players because they don't deliver the best results isn't going to encourage more players to try to get into eSports in the future. If you stick by your players while they're not doing so great, maybe they'll do well down the line. Or maybe I'm wrong because if they do get good they'll just jump teams, or maybe I'm wrong because guys like Lz will never do well... but I don't think we should be talking about kicking people off teams who are trying to make a living off Starcraft.
EG needs to figure out why it keeps sucking in team leagues, but kicking Lz or Machine off the team won't change that. You didn't see either of them compete today, did you? And maybe it frees up a bit of money, but EG's already been buying up any good players they can. Three of the players who competed in IPL today made it into the MLG pools, which is an amazing feat. How they were unable to stop the all-kill, I don't know... but then again, this was Monster, though before now not that well known, he did make it further than anybody EG members in the last MLG. Monster's just on fire of late
(this does not mean EG should try to hire Monster. lol)
My brother said Monster is pretty comparable to DRG, especially in regards to ZvT. He was saying his ZvT may just be as good as DRG/about the same level from what he saw when he lived in the MVP house.
On June 13 2012 16:24 SniXSniPe wrote: My brother said Monster is pretty comparable to DRG, especially in regards to ZvT. He was saying his ZvT may just be as good as DRG/about the same level from what he saw when he lived in the MVP house.
On June 13 2012 11:26 zEnVy wrote: How is it that EG gets smashed in team leagues constantly? I understand MVP should be the better team, but their roster isn't so deep that they should be able to all kill even the decent foreign teams.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but EG, as a team seems to recruit players on their recent wins then once the player joins the team they "slump" (i.e. Huk)? Also Puma hasn't had any recent metionables either, has he? They just got 4-0 by MVP. I remember a couple month ago on IPL Liquid Sheth did the same thing and ALL-Killed their team. I used to cheer for these guys but with Idra's mega slump (and it seems Huk is there too), I guess I'll have to cross my fingers for Thorzain.
Puma has been one of the most consistent performers for EG, he recently got 5/6th ( same as stephano ) at MLG.
One ? He's easily the best and most reliable player, in both solo/team leagues.
On June 13 2012 16:24 SniXSniPe wrote: My brother said Monster is pretty comparable to DRG, especially in regards to ZvT. He was saying his ZvT may just be as good as DRG/about the same level from what he saw when he lived in the MVP house.
your brother lived in the MVP house?? wow
Yeah I'm pretty sure Snipe is trimaster's brother? Either way snixsnipe smashed a bunch of kids at this last MLG, I'll take his word for Monster being pretty damn good.
On June 13 2012 10:36 tree.hugger wrote: Huh, I was talking to Liquid'KingstonHyperX and Liquid'BigfootNetworks about this match, and we all agreed EG needs a dedicated coach. And a Korean training house, don't forget the Korean training house.
Honestly I love Geoff (iNcontroL) but I think his best role for the team would be to step back and coach. He is a really good coach and a great motivator, he already kind of acts as the team dad so why not make that his permanent role at EG. (also he should still cast cause he is a really good host and caster)
~YourFriend
Honestly, it may seem different, but iNcontroL does not get paid his salary for being a pro gamer. He's not on EG to win games. I don't think your argument has any depth, because he's already getting paid for being the team captain, team marketer, and team caster. He plays right now to expand his opportunities and make possible a better future. EG just needs to get rid of LzGamer. I'd say get rid of Machine too, but he's kinda part of the marketing family right now. Even though he's not good, he's important to the team. LzGamer is just worthless though. He's BM, he's not good enough to compete at a decent level, and he's not active in EG's marketing. He has pretty much no worth.
If EG were serious about winning championships though, They'd have to completely get rid of Lz and Machine, and they'd have to focus DeMuslim more on smaller tournaments first. IdrA is pretty essential to the team, but he's going to be losing for a while longer before anything changes. Kill Lz and Machine, and recruit a huge name, and EG would be able to shape up pretty well. Invest a bunch into a 2nd huge player, and they'd be a top GSTL team.
As outlined before by others, I think EG want to keep Incontrol for various non-player related reasons. As a result, I feel as well that Machine and Lz are still on board because they are Incontrol's friends. Incontrol himself probably is feeling increasingly marginalised and isolate with these "big" name players - and honestly much better players - consistently being recruited, so it is probably therefore in his own agenda and best interests to keep as many friends around as he can in his corner. So I don't know, I do think EG aren't particularly interested in keeping 2 players who aren't showing any sort of results or improvement and are on the older age scale but for the sake of Incontrol's happiness, who is a big enough personality to be involved in e-sports without EG, are willing to keep them onboard.
On June 13 2012 16:24 SniXSniPe wrote: My brother said Monster is pretty comparable to DRG, especially in regards to ZvT. He was saying his ZvT may just be as good as DRG/about the same level from what he saw when he lived in the MVP house.
your brother lived in the MVP house?? wow
Yeah I'm pretty sure Snipe is trimaster's brother? Either way snixsnipe smashed a bunch of kids at this last MLG, I'll take his word for Monster being pretty damn good.
embarrassing result for EG, you knew it was going to be bad when idra started streaming at the same time trying to draw viewers away from seeing the all kill - amazing play from monster, congrats
What is sad is that Monster did not even play that well. He simply played in a competent manner without any good micro or macro. Just good decisions and decent positions. It is just that EG played abysmally bad.
For example. Last game Huk knew the Mutalisks where coming well ahead of time yet he let them do enourmous damage to him anyway. Monster did not even control them especially well and wasted tons of units inefficiently but it did not matter. Real point where Huk lost I would say is when he lost his Templar Archives which where very critical. Replacing it by that point was too late. Huk played with far superior battlefield micro but it did not matter when Monster's army was in the right places at the right time.
On June 13 2012 16:24 SniXSniPe wrote: My brother said Monster is pretty comparable to DRG, especially in regards to ZvT. He was saying his ZvT may just be as good as DRG/about the same level from what he saw when he lived in the MVP house.
On June 13 2012 10:36 tree.hugger wrote: Huh, I was talking to Liquid'KingstonHyperX and Liquid'BigfootNetworks about this match, and we all agreed EG needs a dedicated coach. And a Korean training house, don't forget the Korean training house.
Honestly I love Geoff (iNcontroL) but I think his best role for the team would be to step back and coach. He is a really good coach and a great motivator, he already kind of acts as the team dad so why not make that his permanent role at EG. (also he should still cast cause he is a really good host and caster)
~YourFriend
Honestly, it may seem different, but iNcontroL does not get paid his salary for being a pro gamer. He's not on EG to win games. I don't think your argument has any depth, because he's already getting paid for being the team captain, team marketer, and team caster. He plays right now to expand his opportunities and make possible a better future. EG just needs to get rid of LzGamer. I'd say get rid of Machine too, but he's kinda part of the marketing family right now. Even though he's not good, he's important to the team. LzGamer is just worthless though. He's BM, he's not good enough to compete at a decent level, and he's not active in EG's marketing. He has pretty much no worth.
If EG were serious about winning championships though, They'd have to completely get rid of Lz and Machine, and they'd have to focus DeMuslim more on smaller tournaments first. IdrA is pretty essential to the team, but he's going to be losing for a while longer before anything changes. Kill Lz and Machine, and recruit a huge name, and EG would be able to shape up pretty well. Invest a bunch into a 2nd huge player, and they'd be a top GSTL team.
I'm sorry but I don't think you understood what I was saying, I was stating that Geoff already does a lot of work outside of playing (hence the team dad line) and thats what hurts him being a pro gamer. I think he should Officially change his Major focus to team coach, this does not mean he has to stop playing (choya) but that his main focus would be coaching. Its more of a title and mentality change more than anything (from what I understand, obviously I don't know the EG guys and have no inside knowledge of how they work or should work) this is just my thoughts on how EG could improve.
TLDR: Geoff change his title to coach and help the players EG already has to perform at a more consistent rate.
On June 14 2012 00:06 zedrOne wrote: Monster make the most impressive run of all player in the last MLG, look at the bracket.
He play and win more game than any other player in the tournament.
he trully is a monster, deserve more credit !
What about SaSe? I don´t like him but I think his run was even better...
@Topic: Wow 5-0 is ... sick. And I still don´t like Thorzain playing for EG. How long will it take until we have EGStephano? I think his contract ends in August...
On June 14 2012 00:06 zedrOne wrote: Monster make the most impressive run of all player in the last MLG, look at the bracket.
He play and win more game than any other player in the tournament.
he trully is a monster, deserve more credit !
What about SaSe? I don´t like him but I think his run was even better...
@Topic: Wow 5-0 is ... sick. And I still don´t like Thorzain playing for EG. How long will it take until we have EGStephano? I think his contract ends in August...
I believe Stephano has a working contract without a limit its like your normal non-sport worker
On June 14 2012 00:06 zedrOne wrote: Monster make the most impressive run of all player in the last MLG, look at the bracket.
He play and win more game than any other player in the tournament.
he trully is a monster, deserve more credit !
What about SaSe? I don´t like him but I think his run was even better...
@Topic: Wow 5-0 is ... sick. And I still don´t like Thorzain playing for EG. How long will it take until we have EGStephano? I think his contract ends in August...
I believe Stephano has a working contract without a limit its like your normal non-sport worker
Idra said in an interview at MLG that Stephano's contract was up in August, and no negotiations have started because he is still under contract.
Edit: in this interview here, at about 5:10 into the video
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It's funny how the poll makes it seem sort of close. Maybe those votes were before monster went like 22-1 in 11 matches at anaheim.
