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On May 26 2012 14:34 trashman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 14:30 typedef struct wrote:
Why aren't people more excited about this? I feel like I just looked into the future of the PvZ matchup. A unit that is mobile but slow, tanks well, does good damage, costs 0 supply and 0 resources (assuming u mine a bit with it first).... People have been doing the gum up the middle of the map with spines while getting broods out maneuver on certain maps for...months? Or something like that. Not this crazily, and not usually offensively, but still. And if Stork had started warp prism harass like... before he lost his army he could have abused Zero's immobility to death, right? Right?
Fair enough. I'd love to see what Ace's PvZ drop play would've done against this.
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On May 26 2012 14:35 Oboeman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 14:34 mrtomjones wrote:On May 26 2012 14:26 IshinShishi wrote:On May 26 2012 14:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On May 26 2012 14:21 raf3776 wrote:That game was not as impressive as everyone is making it  How was that not an impressive game? Yea their Macro's slipped at some points but meh thats gonna happen with a game you haven't played that much. ZerO showed a geat understanding of lategame ZvP and had his BL's spread always + Sick spinecrawler late game push. Stork showed some decent phoenix control being very active and finding holes for damage even with lots of queens and spores. Of course this isn't going to be Code S level play. If you're expecting that right away then your just crazy, I personally found the game very entertaining and was impressed by both players. More so then any of the other BW pro's playing Sc2 so far! Zero's macro didn't really slip, he had no gas. lol he had 5k gas at the end and no minerals. Because he spent 9000 minerals on spinecrawlers and then four of his bases mined out, and then DTs killed two of his remaining three mining bases.
And he was already maxed. Supply-free units are the way to go in most end game situations (building cannons, crawlers, etc).
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On May 26 2012 14:30 typedef struct wrote:
Why aren't people more excited about this? I feel like I just looked into the future of the PvZ matchup. A unit that is mobile but slow, tanks well, does good damage, costs 0 supply and 0 resources (assuming u mine a bit with it first)....
If you saw Ace's games from up & down last night vs bbongbbong you might reconsider this post. He made brood turtle look silly and ridiculous.
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On May 26 2012 14:36 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 14:31 ZeromuS wrote:On May 26 2012 14:30 typedef struct wrote:
Why aren't people more excited about this? I feel like I just looked into the future of the PvZ matchup. A unit that is mobile but slow, tanks well, does good damage, costs 0 supply and 0 resources (assuming u mine a bit with it first).... Because a lot of us have seen it before. Its very very good and the only person I've ever seen try to counter it properly is HerO a lot of storm drops so that eventually the zerg does get starved out and they can't just make spinecrawlers. The other thing is its so so so strong O.O So scary. I've seen mass spines used for defense or splitting the map in half. But I haven't seen some one late game push with a mass of spines before O.o it's very possible It's happened often and I've missed it, haven't been able to catch a lot of games recent;y but def a first for me to see!
Doesn't happen often at all.
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delay? not more technical difficulties plz..
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I've seen mass spines used...in gold league
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On May 26 2012 14:34 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 14:26 IshinShishi wrote:On May 26 2012 14:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On May 26 2012 14:21 raf3776 wrote:That game was not as impressive as everyone is making it How was that not an impressive game? Yea their Macro's slipped at some points but meh thats gonna happen with a game you haven't played that much. ZerO showed a geat understanding of lategame ZvP and had his BL's spread always + Sick spinecrawler late game push. Stork showed some decent phoenix control being very active and finding holes for damage even with lots of queens and spores. Of course this isn't going to be Code S level play. If you're expecting that right away then your just crazy, I personally found the game very entertaining and was impressed by both players. More so then any of the other BW pro's playing Sc2 so far! Zero's macro didn't really slip, he had no gas. lol he had 5k gas at the end and no minerals.
He was maxed pretty much all game . The only thing he could have done is morf overlords .
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On May 26 2012 14:36 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 14:36 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On May 26 2012 14:31 ZeromuS wrote:On May 26 2012 14:30 typedef struct wrote:
Why aren't people more excited about this? I feel like I just looked into the future of the PvZ matchup. A unit that is mobile but slow, tanks well, does good damage, costs 0 supply and 0 resources (assuming u mine a bit with it first).... Because a lot of us have seen it before. Its very very good and the only person I've ever seen try to counter it properly is HerO a lot of storm drops so that eventually the zerg does get starved out and they can't just make spinecrawlers. The other thing is its so so so strong O.O So scary. I've seen mass spines used for defense or splitting the map in half. But I haven't seen some one late game push with a mass of spines before O.o it's very possible It's happened often and I've missed it, haven't been able to catch a lot of games recent;y but def a first for me to see! Doesn't happen often at all.
because toss usually dont let zerg sit there and macro the entire game
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On May 26 2012 14:37 vndods wrote:
I see MMA's old coach.
Iloveov??? or his sc2 coach
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On May 26 2012 14:38 Shock710 wrote:Iloveov??? or his sc2 coach
oov is in the military
...i think
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On May 26 2012 14:37 vndods wrote:
I see MMA's old coach.
in some of the interviews, the players have mentioned how much he has helped them improve in this short amount of time iirc. probably well worth the money, but i hope that more coach stealing doesnt occur in the near future.
(talking about Coach Ryu btw)
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If spines slow push ends up being standard, we have an excitement/spectating balance issue to resolve.
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On May 26 2012 14:39 Looms wrote:in some of the interviews, the players have mentioned how much he has helped them improve in this short amount of time iirc. probably well worth the money, but i hope that more coach stealing doesnt occur in the near future.
I dont mind atm, they need to catch up in meta games and strategy and compostion. ect stuff that comes with following the scene and experience
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On May 26 2012 14:39 0neder wrote:
If spines slow push ends up being standard, we have an excitement/spectating balance issue to resolve.
It won't, by any means. Drop play completely obliterates the possibility of it being effective.
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On May 26 2012 14:39 0neder wrote:
If spines slow push ends up being standard, we have an excitement/spectating balance issue to resolve.
I wouldn't bother worrying about this until it actually works in the GSL.
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On May 26 2012 14:40 Shock710 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 14:39 Looms wrote:On May 26 2012 14:37 vndods wrote:
I see MMA's old coach. in some of the interviews, the players have mentioned how much he has helped them improve in this short amount of time iirc. probably well worth the money, but i hope that more coach stealing doesnt occur in the near future. I dont mind atm, they need to catch up in meta games and strategy and compostion. ect stuff that comes with following the scene and experience
Which also makes me wonder what theWind's doing right now, with OGS disbanded and all.
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On May 26 2012 14:41 Graviton wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 14:39 0neder wrote:
If spines slow push ends up being standard, we have an excitement/spectating balance issue to resolve. It won't, by any means. Drop play completely obliterates the possibility of it being effective.
Well, we can only hope that fewer spines at the front and more at the bases doesn't become the next step. I mean, I would be sad if spinecrawlers began winning games for Zerg
But until I see it work in the GSL and Code A/S Im not worried at all
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On May 26 2012 14:41 Graviton wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 14:39 0neder wrote:
If spines slow push ends up being standard, we have an excitement/spectating balance issue to resolve. It won't, by any means. Drop play completely obliterates the possibility of it being effective.
corruptors will own the prism and no drops for him .
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