• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:47
CEST 20:47
KST 03:47
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy4Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week0Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer6Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson."2Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey.8Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)14
StarCraft 2
General
Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer Rain's Behind the Scenes Storytime Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing How herO can make history in the Code S S2 finals
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Semi Finals & Finals WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $3,500 WardiTV European League 2025
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] Darkgrid Layout
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target
Brood War
General
ASL20 Preliminary Maps BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recent recommended BW games FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 4
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Which UAE App Developers Are Leading the Innovatio
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 31349 users

[NASL] Week 6 Division 5 - Page 7

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next All
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
May 21 2012 02:02 GMT
#121
On May 21 2012 10:58 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
I feel like if I work some small things out I could get it to work;;;;;

Like, the place he blinks in is a really obvious spot and I should put a PF there, I can afford it. And more harass late game, get rid of my marines earlier (16 supply in pretty useless marines for the first 200 army).


Even though you lost in the end, that was an entertaining game and I felt like you picked the right map for it. Thanks! that was really fun to watch. Was that game live?
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
May 21 2012 02:03 GMT
#122
On May 21 2012 10:59 Letall wrote:
Has jinro been going mech all series?

Nah, just this game Great series though, almost had it >.< sucks that it just gets recorded as a L really :/

but MC Polt now here we gooo!
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
JitnikoVi
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation396 Posts
May 21 2012 02:03 GMT
#123
On May 21 2012 11:00 Bagration wrote:
For mech to truly become standard against Protoss, a lot of changes need to be made. Puzzle crushed that maxed mech army, and he didn't even make immortals.


your suggestion are?
In theory yes, but theoretically, no.
Hulavuta
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1252 Posts
May 21 2012 02:04 GMT
#124
What's the music they're playing during this top 10 stuff?
Done with Team Liquid for a while. Don't expect to find me here.
Kkxtrouble
Profile Joined April 2012
Brazil575 Posts
May 21 2012 02:09 GMT
#125
Jinro lost all five games 1-2, that's just sad.
I pledge myself to conquer all the foes who stand before the mighty gift bestowed in my unworthy hand
HeroMystic
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 02:11:48
May 21 2012 02:10 GMT
#126
I agree with Jinro that there should've been some form of harassment. Puzzle was left alone the entire game and it allowed him to do what he want. In order for Mech vs P you can't stay passive the entire game. Aggression has to happen at some point.

I think for that game specifically having more of a Thor mixture would've been better. They're weaker against Colossi but they're much beefier due to their HP so they can handle reinforcements better, and they're actually more mobile than Tanks due to siege mode.

I'd like to see a few more Ravens purely for PDD since Puzzle had Blink stalkers.
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
May 21 2012 02:11 GMT
#127
aw man, morrow vs qxc on ohana didn't make the top 10?
Hulavuta
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1252 Posts
May 21 2012 02:12 GMT
#128
On May 21 2012 11:11 Oboeman wrote:
aw man, morrow vs qxc on ohana didn't make the top 10?


OH man, that game definitely should've been on there...MorroW actually using Ultralisk Drop Harass, sick as hell.
Done with Team Liquid for a while. Don't expect to find me here.
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
May 21 2012 02:14 GMT
#129
MC versus Polt, here we goooo!! MC, MC, MC!
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Falconblade
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1035 Posts
May 21 2012 02:14 GMT
#130
So when will the outstanding IdrA and Demu/NonY games be played?
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
May 21 2012 02:15 GMT
#131
I'd be interested to see how mech would work out if they took away the Thor energy again. It looked OP back when Thorzain used it in TSL3, but the metagame has evolved a lot since then.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 02:18:54
May 21 2012 02:17 GMT
#132
On May 21 2012 11:10 HeroMystic wrote:
I agree with Jinro that there should've been some form of harassment. Puzzle was left alone the entire game and it allowed him to do what he want. In order for Mech vs P you can't stay passive the entire game. Aggression has to happen at some point.

I think for that game specifically having more of a Thor mixture would've been better. They're weaker against Colossi but they're much beefier due to their HP so they can handle reinforcements better, and they're actually more mobile than Tanks due to siege mode.

I'd like to see a few more Ravens purely for PDD since Puzzle had Blink stalkers.

That's the problem with phoenix opening, I wanted to harass but I can't do that vs the phoenix because they are faster than hellions.... I'm not sure how to solve it because it also blocks drops and banshee harass.

On May 21 2012 11:03 JitnikoVi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 11:00 Bagration wrote:
For mech to truly become standard against Protoss, a lot of changes need to be made. Puzzle crushed that maxed mech army, and he didn't even make immortals.


your suggestion are?

Spider mines would go a long way, or replace colossus with reaver. The problem is that mech isn't winning as hard in 200 fights as it did in BW, and SC2 army is more mobile AND stronger. That's why I think my problem in that game was the lack of a PF in my main, because it forces my army into a fight in bad position.

Could have done better.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 21 2012 02:17 GMT
#133
On May 21 2012 11:03 JitnikoVi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 11:00 Bagration wrote:
For mech to truly become standard against Protoss, a lot of changes need to be made. Puzzle crushed that maxed mech army, and he didn't even make immortals.


your suggestion are?


I do not know. Such a puzzle can only be solved with careful thought and deliberate and calculated testing. I want to see a viable mech play against Protoss, but at the same time, I do not necessary want to revert to BW, where bio against Protoss was unviable. For me, an ideal matchup is a one where both races have a variety of options to play.

Maybe remove Thor energy for starters, so that feedback doesn't become so cost efficient against Thors. But this has been played with already in patches by Blizzard, so it is not an easy fix. Immortals are another reason why mech is relatively weak, but take away immortals, and the Protoss becomes even more vulnerable in the mid game against MM, especially against marauders. Such a complex game needs complex solutions
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
gengka
Profile Joined September 2010
Malaysia461 Posts
May 21 2012 02:19 GMT
#134
we need to have a speed upgrade for helion, thats for sure
Make Love Not War
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 21 2012 02:19 GMT
#135
On May 21 2012 11:17 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 11:03 JitnikoVi wrote:
On May 21 2012 11:00 Bagration wrote:
For mech to truly become standard against Protoss, a lot of changes need to be made. Puzzle crushed that maxed mech army, and he didn't even make immortals.


your suggestion are?


I do not know. Such a puzzle can only be solved with careful thought and deliberate and calculated testing. I want to see a viable mech play against Protoss, but at the same time, I do not necessary want to revert to BW, where bio against Protoss was unviable. For me, an ideal matchup is a one where both races have a variety of options to play.

Maybe remove Thor energy for starters, so that feedback doesn't become so cost efficient against Thors. But this has been played with already in patches by Blizzard, so it is not an easy fix. Immortals are another reason why mech is relatively weak, but take away immortals, and the Protoss becomes even more vulnerable in the mid game against MM, especially against marauders. Such a complex game needs complex solutions

Mech's problem is primarily space control, and some anti-air problems.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Hulavuta
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1252 Posts
May 21 2012 02:20 GMT
#136
On May 21 2012 11:17 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 11:03 JitnikoVi wrote:
On May 21 2012 11:00 Bagration wrote:
For mech to truly become standard against Protoss, a lot of changes need to be made. Puzzle crushed that maxed mech army, and he didn't even make immortals.


your suggestion are?


I do not know. Such a puzzle can only be solved with careful thought and deliberate and calculated testing. I want to see a viable mech play against Protoss, but at the same time, I do not necessary want to revert to BW, where bio against Protoss was unviable. For me, an ideal matchup is a one where both races have a variety of options to play.

Maybe remove Thor energy for starters, so that feedback doesn't become so cost efficient against Thors. But this has been played with already in patches by Blizzard, so it is not an easy fix. Immortals are another reason why mech is relatively weak, but take away immortals, and the Protoss becomes even more vulnerable in the mid game against MM, especially against marauders. Such a complex game needs complex solutions


Hehe, love that Puzzle pun ;D
Done with Team Liquid for a while. Don't expect to find me here.
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
May 21 2012 02:22 GMT
#137
DAAAMN. MC and medivacs today, man!
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 02:23:56
May 21 2012 02:22 GMT
#138
AMAZING medivac pick-offs from MC....whoaaaa

That engagement...nice. Looked like a bad attack until that sexy FF+storm combo
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Hulavuta
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1252 Posts
May 21 2012 02:24 GMT
#139
MC playin so sexxxyyy
Done with Team Liquid for a while. Don't expect to find me here.
FeeLdAfuRy
Profile Joined October 2002
Australia290 Posts
May 21 2012 02:26 GMT
#140
On May 21 2012 11:19 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 11:17 Bagration wrote:
On May 21 2012 11:03 JitnikoVi wrote:
On May 21 2012 11:00 Bagration wrote:
For mech to truly become standard against Protoss, a lot of changes need to be made. Puzzle crushed that maxed mech army, and he didn't even make immortals.


your suggestion are?


I do not know. Such a puzzle can only be solved with careful thought and deliberate and calculated testing. I want to see a viable mech play against Protoss, but at the same time, I do not necessary want to revert to BW, where bio against Protoss was unviable. For me, an ideal matchup is a one where both races have a variety of options to play.

Maybe remove Thor energy for starters, so that feedback doesn't become so cost efficient against Thors. But this has been played with already in patches by Blizzard, so it is not an easy fix. Immortals are another reason why mech is relatively weak, but take away immortals, and the Protoss becomes even more vulnerable in the mid game against MM, especially against marauders. Such a complex game needs complex solutions

Mech's problem is primarily space control, and some anti-air problems.


Out of curiosity, how did that build fair during practice?
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
16:00
#18
RotterdaM1141
FunKaTv 436
IndyStarCraft 333
SteadfastSC305
BRAT_OK 177
kabyraGe 157
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 1141
mouzHeroMarine 707
FunKaTv 436
IndyStarCraft 333
SteadfastSC 305
BRAT_OK 177
RushiSC 105
ProTech53
EmSc Tv 14
StarCraft: Brood War
firebathero 180
Bonyth 108
scan(afreeca) 23
yabsab 14
Backho 11
Shine 7
Dota 2
Gorgc7651
qojqva2201
Counter-Strike
fl0m1561
flusha263
Other Games
tarik_tv65680
gofns33858
FrodaN1929
ceh91233
C9.Mang0981
Fuzer 162
Mew2King131
KnowMe95
mouzStarbuck82
Trikslyr72
UpATreeSC17
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream12794
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 14
EmSc2Tv 14
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta14
• LUISG 3
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• intothetv
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 6
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2731
• WagamamaTV289
• Ler109
League of Legends
• Nemesis6625
• Jankos3097
• TFBlade1265
Other Games
• imaqtpie1139
• Shiphtur282
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
5h 14m
RSL Revival
15h 14m
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
PiGosaur Monday
1d 5h
RSL Revival
1d 15h
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Serral vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
[ Show More ]
SC Evo League
4 days
Circuito Brasileiro de…
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-06-11
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
BLAST Open Fall 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.