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Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
May 03 2012 11:58 GMT
#1921
On May 03 2012 20:53 one-one-one wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 20:45 Jlei wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:43 one-one-one wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:39 Amlitzer wrote:
If we end up with a PvP finals it will be the death of GOM. The only good that could come from it is hopefully blizzard will get their act together and stop needlessly buffing them already.


As a spectator I'm tired of watching terrans MMM getting shredded, it would certainly be nice to see more mech play in the matchup.

I honestly don't think mech needs a buff. Removing strike cannons along with thor energy would be enough I think.


Feedback not hurting massive would also do it.


Yeah , no wonder high level terrans don't use higher tech units when there is feedback.

At the very least they could tweak it a little bit. T just needs a slight encouragement to begin experimenting with other stuff.
I mean, how realistic is it that high templar , who is some kind of priest , manages to short-circuit a mighty space ship with psionic abilities?
What kind of crappy space ship engineer designs their battlecruisers anyways...



Well they dont short-circuit the system, but burns away the energy in a damaging way. Thats a bit different story. Templars capable to bend reality with their own will, burning away pure gathered up energy shouldn't be that far.

But balance wise i agree they should do something, still i dislike Thor itself, with its current ability, nothing can counter it other than the templar
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
May 03 2012 11:59 GMT
#1922
On May 03 2012 20:37 xN.07)MaK wrote:
MVP > Naniwa: Bit-by-bit roflstomp
Parting > Oz: Roflstomp
Hero > Supernova: Roflstomp
Squirtle > Taeja: Roflstomp


Can this possibly be the worst RO8 ever?

I find it rather satisfying since all the utterly overrated, fanboyism-blessed players got annihilated real hard. In fact it's one of the more entertaining GSL quarterfinals for me
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
May 03 2012 11:59 GMT
#1923
On May 03 2012 20:33 Rainfall7711 wrote:
Isn't it ironic. I remember a few months back everyone was sick of Terrans and TvT. Protoss dominates most Terran one season everyone gets pitch forks about balance and are now rooting for the Terran LOL.

Everyone?The best sc2 games have been and still are TvTs and TvZs, even before I started playing I thought the same( GSL Open Season 3), TvP in general just suck (with very few exceptions), with even PvP being way more entertaining(though I think storm should be viable, I don't get why storm isn't made viable in PvP).
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
May 03 2012 12:00 GMT
#1924
On May 03 2012 20:59 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 20:37 xN.07)MaK wrote:
MVP > Naniwa: Bit-by-bit roflstomp
Parting > Oz: Roflstomp
Hero > Supernova: Roflstomp
Squirtle > Taeja: Roflstomp


Can this possibly be the worst RO8 ever?

I find it rather satisfying since all the utterly overrated, fanboyism-blessed players got annihilated real hard. In fact it's one of the more entertaining GSL quarterfinals for me


Oz and Supernova aren't even that popular, and Taeja is hardly known for having rabid fanboys that players like Hero, MKP, or Stephano have. Unless you were talking specifically about Naniwa...
one-one-one
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden551 Posts
May 03 2012 12:02 GMT
#1925
On May 03 2012 20:56 Telcontar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 20:52 Salteador Neo wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:43 one-one-one wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:39 Amlitzer wrote:
If we end up with a PvP finals it will be the death of GOM. The only good that could come from it is hopefully blizzard will get their act together and stop needlessly buffing them already.


As a spectator I'm tired of watching terrans MMM getting shredded, it would certainly be nice to see more mech play in the matchup.

I honestly don't think mech needs a buff. Removing strike cannons along with thor energy would be enough I think.


That would actually be pretty smart. Me likes.

That won't change anything. Yes, thors being immune to feedback will be helpful, but immortals are just too good against them. As long as Blizzard keeps enforcing their current counter system, mech will never be a viable option vs P.


The threat of immortals can be mitigated by emp. Trust me, I used to play a lot of mech in TvP before the hellion nerf and immortals were never a huge problem.
If you play a solid mech style with alot of tanks and use ghost vs mass immortals, their shields will be gone or almost gone before they are in range of thors and tanks.

I think Terran Sc2 mech needs to be played a lot differently than in BW.
Then you could rely on the ridiculous firepower of tanks.

In Sc2:WoL Terran mech will have to rely on huge "meatshields" like the Thor.

That is why feedback fucks it up, imho.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1BFY4R7IIP4#t=1710s
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 12:03:14
May 03 2012 12:02 GMT
#1926
On May 03 2012 20:56 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 20:52 Talin wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:48 Hall0wed wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:45 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:43 Asha` wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:42 Talin wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:39 FakeDeath wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:37 Talin wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:36 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:35 Talin wrote:
[quote]

In which segment of the game is Squirtle better than HerO specifically?


PvP, obviously. I love Hero, but there's not really any case for him being better than Squirtle in PvP.


PvP is a matchup, not a segment of the game. -_-

What is Squirtle specifically better at, skill wise?


Timing attacks and better understanding of the match-up.


When it comes to mechanics and multitasking, Squirtle can basically sit down, it's not even within the realm of possibility that he can match HerO in those. And that's not something you can learn in a week either.


I know you're a massive liquid fanboy, but you're speaking completely out of your ass rofl.


Not to mention that Talin conveniently ignored my mentioning of Squirtle's PvZ, which involves Squirtle doing stuff all over the map in ultra-lategame scenarios.

Maybe he should address that point instead of conveniently ignoring it.


Yup looks like someone didn't watch the IPL4 replays. =D

People like Talin give players a bad name, and it is sad to see sometimes.


I don't consider IPLs and MLGs all that relevant due to the format/density of games being played and no prep time, but I have seen it and it wasn't anything that a lot of Protoss don't do anyway, and certainly not something that HerO doesn't do a lot better (especially considering it's PvZ).

I'm prepared to get myself banned from TL if HerO doesn't dismantle Squirtle in every game that's not a straight up BO win (DT rush or Oz's nexus first from yesterday).


And do tell how format/density/prep time has ANYTHING to do with multitasking, which you keep claiming Squirtle lacks? I'm just gonna reiterate what Asha said: You're talking out of your ass.


Because those tournaments are usually about which player is in the best shape for the weekend after days of traveling, whereas most players don't really end up playing to the best of their ability (including mechanical ability) throughout the tournament. It's too easy for one player to look really good while the other one looks really bad.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
May 03 2012 12:04 GMT
#1927
I'm guessing the balance whine was high in this thread?


And Talin, while Hero is certainly capable of beating Squirtle, your an idiot if you don't think that Squirtle is on his level. Hopefully they'll show some good PvP (double immortal speed prism play please!)
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 03 2012 12:04 GMT
#1928
I read that Vileillusion is experimenting with Ghost Mech compositions lately, maybe that will become a thing if the current trend of bio gets crushed in the late game continues.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 12:06:51
May 03 2012 12:06 GMT
#1929
On May 03 2012 21:02 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 20:56 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:52 Talin wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:48 Hall0wed wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:45 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:43 Asha` wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:42 Talin wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:39 FakeDeath wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:37 Talin wrote:
On May 03 2012 20:36 HolyArrow wrote:
[quote]

PvP, obviously. I love Hero, but there's not really any case for him being better than Squirtle in PvP.


PvP is a matchup, not a segment of the game. -_-

What is Squirtle specifically better at, skill wise?


Timing attacks and better understanding of the match-up.


When it comes to mechanics and multitasking, Squirtle can basically sit down, it's not even within the realm of possibility that he can match HerO in those. And that's not something you can learn in a week either.


I know you're a massive liquid fanboy, but you're speaking completely out of your ass rofl.


Not to mention that Talin conveniently ignored my mentioning of Squirtle's PvZ, which involves Squirtle doing stuff all over the map in ultra-lategame scenarios.

Maybe he should address that point instead of conveniently ignoring it.


Yup looks like someone didn't watch the IPL4 replays. =D

People like Talin give players a bad name, and it is sad to see sometimes.


I don't consider IPLs and MLGs all that relevant due to the format/density of games being played and no prep time, but I have seen it and it wasn't anything that a lot of Protoss don't do anyway, and certainly not something that HerO doesn't do a lot better (especially considering it's PvZ).

I'm prepared to get myself banned from TL if HerO doesn't dismantle Squirtle in every game that's not a straight up BO win (DT rush or Oz's nexus first from yesterday).


And do tell how format/density/prep time has ANYTHING to do with multitasking, which you keep claiming Squirtle lacks? I'm just gonna reiterate what Asha said: You're talking out of your ass.


Because those tournaments are usually about which player is in the best shape for the weekend after days of traveling, whereas most players don't really end up playing to the best of their ability (including mechanical ability) throughout the tournament.


So, if Squirtle is multitasking like a beast and other players aren't playing well, it suddenly means that his good multitasking somehow doesn't mean anything? Your logic is so twisted that it's difficult to even argue with you.

Anyway, I think Hero is perfectly capable of beating Squirtle, but by stats alone, Squirtle is quite favored.
msl
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany477 Posts
May 03 2012 12:06 GMT
#1930
WTF? I went to lunch after HerO won (YAY!) and come back and it's over allready. .
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
May 03 2012 12:07 GMT
#1931
On May 03 2012 21:04 Dodgin wrote:
I read that Vileillusion is experimenting with Ghost Mech compositions lately, maybe that will become a thing if the current trend of bio gets crushed in the late game continues.

And then again, we can always wait for Flash to save every one of us :D

Or Fantasy, if he decides not to play Zerg. He'll be like "LOL bio. NOPE." and revolutionize Mech v P.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
May 03 2012 12:07 GMT
#1932
Protoss stomp, makes me sad Nani couldn`t make it.
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 03 2012 12:07 GMT
#1933
On May 03 2012 21:07 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 21:04 Dodgin wrote:
I read that Vileillusion is experimenting with Ghost Mech compositions lately, maybe that will become a thing if the current trend of bio gets crushed in the late game continues.

And then again, we can always wait for Flash to save every one of us :D

Or Fantasy, if he decides not to play Zerg. He'll be like "LOL bio. NOPE." and revolutionize Mech v P.


Ahh the Fantasy bio jokes -_- can't escape even in sc2 threads.
grtgrt1
Profile Joined February 2011
76 Posts
May 03 2012 12:08 GMT
#1934
On May 03 2012 20:59 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 20:37 xN.07)MaK wrote:
MVP > Naniwa: Bit-by-bit roflstomp
Parting > Oz: Roflstomp
Hero > Supernova: Roflstomp
Squirtle > Taeja: Roflstomp


Can this possibly be the worst RO8 ever?

I find it rather satisfying since all the utterly overrated, fanboyism-blessed players got annihilated real hard. In fact it's one of the more entertaining GSL quarterfinals for me


Very entertaining. The players who lost got one, all combined, whereas in the other 12, they put up way sub-par fights. Or no fights at all.

I would definitely prefer so see the fanboyism-blessed players and closer bo5s.

The top 4 should be ok though. Hoping MVP doesn't get roflstomped, but still expecting an all-Startale finals.
Pocky52
Profile Joined November 2011
United States463 Posts
May 03 2012 12:08 GMT
#1935
Hero!!!! <3 <3 <3 gogogo! PvP against Squirtle will be tough, but you can do it!
ChriseC
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany440 Posts
May 03 2012 12:08 GMT
#1936
blizzard really needs to fix pvp and zvz
having this fmatchup in a gsl final is just bad :S
GodOfWar
Profile Joined December 2011
870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 12:10:19
May 03 2012 12:09 GMT
#1937
On May 03 2012 20:59 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 20:37 xN.07)MaK wrote:
MVP > Naniwa: Bit-by-bit roflstomp
Parting > Oz: Roflstomp
Hero > Supernova: Roflstomp
Squirtle > Taeja: Roflstomp


Can this possibly be the worst RO8 ever?

I find it rather satisfying since all the utterly overrated, fanboyism-blessed players got annihilated real hard. In fact it's one of the more entertaining GSL quarterfinals for me


just my oppinion ! Damn MLW and Arceus joining forces like in glorious WC3 days? XD

Naniwa just doesnt deserve to go further........it simply was not the right thing to happen.

Mvp Moon Squirtle
Theovide
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden914 Posts
May 03 2012 12:11 GMT
#1938
On May 03 2012 20:59 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 20:37 xN.07)MaK wrote:
MVP > Naniwa: Bit-by-bit roflstomp
Parting > Oz: Roflstomp
Hero > Supernova: Roflstomp
Squirtle > Taeja: Roflstomp


Can this possibly be the worst RO8 ever?

I find it rather satisfying since all the utterly overrated, fanboyism-blessed players got annihilated real hard. In fact it's one of the more entertaining GSL quarterfinals for me

Huh, how can you say that the fanboyism blessed players got annhilated when hero took out supernova?
CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
May 03 2012 12:12 GMT
#1939
On May 03 2012 21:08 ChriseC wrote:
blizzard really needs to fix pvp and zvz
having this fmatchup in a gsl final is just bad :S


No, they need to fix protoss... its a cake race and now that some people actually put some time into learning builds etc, you end up getting 5 of the final 8 being protoss and 3 of the final 4 being protoss... how can you not have a PvP final when you make it that easy for them during the rest of the tournament?
Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
May 03 2012 12:14 GMT
#1940
On May 03 2012 20:37 xN.07)MaK wrote:
MVP > Naniwa: Bit-by-bit roflstomp
Parting > Oz: Roflstomp
Hero > Supernova: Roflstomp
Squirtle > Taeja: Roflstomp


Can this possibly be the worst RO8 ever?


Last season's RO8 was pretty one-sided as well.

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