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On April 24 2012 20:00 clusen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 19:58 plogamer wrote:On April 24 2012 19:50 SwizzY wrote:
My god so this is the infamous LR whine that people talk about....
Sure bomber completely leveled the main, but not before the resource advantage off the 3-base was capitalized on - there were 5 gates at the third. Alicia knew he was going to lose everything so he made 6 at his third, one of which died.
Bomber lost cost-INEFFICIENTLY in all 3 fights (main, nat, third). AND he didn't think he didn't need any additional bunker support even when army supply was even.
I just don't understand how retarded people get in this thread. That was a crazy back and forth moment where Bomber overestimated his advantage, which if he hadn't, he wouldve been ahead economically.
Jesus Christ. GG. Okay, Bomber leveled the main and Alicia had no production for a long time. And you say that he overestimated his advantage by thinking he didnt need bunkers? He didn't "level" the main, he killed a few pylons and made Alicia pull his probes, that's it.
He killed a bunch of probes, the nexus, about 6 gates, templar archives, cybernetics core, and enough pylons to put Alicia in the red for several minutes...
If your definition of levelled is "killed everything possible" then no he didn't, but he certainly didn't only kill a few pylons and make Alicia pull probes lol o_O
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Rooting for the underdog! gogogogo sniper. We need more zergs in GSL c_c
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On April 24 2012 20:01 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 19:58 plogamer wrote:On April 24 2012 19:50 SwizzY wrote:
My god so this is the infamous LR whine that people talk about....
Sure bomber completely leveled the main, but not before the resource advantage off the 3-base was capitalized on - there were 5 gates at the third. Alicia knew he was going to lose everything so he made 6 at his third, one of which died.
Bomber lost cost-INEFFICIENTLY in all 3 fights (main, nat, third). AND he didn't think he didn't need any additional bunker support even when army supply was even.
I just don't understand how retarded people get in this thread. That was a crazy back and forth moment where Bomber overestimated his advantage, which if he hadn't, he wouldve been ahead economically.
Jesus Christ. GG. Okay, Bomber leveled the main and Alicia had no production for a long time. And you say that he overestimated his advantage by thinking he didnt need bunkers? What, you think Alicia is going to go for a macro game after losing all that? Look at the army supply, it wasn't in Bombers favor anymore after trading so inefficiently at Alicia's natural/3rd. His macro slipped or he didn't have enough production. Either way it shouldn't have happened.
Bomber spent so much time killing unpowered gates instead of going to the nat and killing the forges/probes.
It gave enough time to Alicia come back all the way back and defend.
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On April 24 2012 20:01 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 19:57 KiNGxXx wrote:
Thank god the WAAAY better player won!
edit: LOL @Asha` I dunno. Bomber played really strange that series. Particularly that 3rd game. It seems like he really misreads a lot recently. I used to think that he had some of the best TvP game sense but after that game I was disappointed.
1st game was a good example imo: blind vikings but then excellent movements and fights leading to a one sided victory, imo Alicia wasn't on par but I doubt Bomber can beat top protosses atm.
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On April 24 2012 20:00 clusen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 19:58 plogamer wrote:On April 24 2012 19:50 SwizzY wrote:
My god so this is the infamous LR whine that people talk about....
Sure bomber completely leveled the main, but not before the resource advantage off the 3-base was capitalized on - there were 5 gates at the third. Alicia knew he was going to lose everything so he made 6 at his third, one of which died.
Bomber lost cost-INEFFICIENTLY in all 3 fights (main, nat, third). AND he didn't think he didn't need any additional bunker support even when army supply was even.
I just don't understand how retarded people get in this thread. That was a crazy back and forth moment where Bomber overestimated his advantage, which if he hadn't, he wouldve been ahead economically.
Jesus Christ. GG. Okay, Bomber leveled the main and Alicia had no production for a long time. And you say that he overestimated his advantage by thinking he didnt need bunkers? He didn't "level" the main, he killed a few pylons and made Alicia pull his probes, that's it.
He killed a lot of Pylons, the Cyber Core, several Gates, Templar Archives AND the Nexus...sounds to me like he levelled it ><
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On April 24 2012 20:02 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 20:00 clusen wrote:On April 24 2012 19:58 plogamer wrote:On April 24 2012 19:50 SwizzY wrote:
My god so this is the infamous LR whine that people talk about....
Sure bomber completely leveled the main, but not before the resource advantage off the 3-base was capitalized on - there were 5 gates at the third. Alicia knew he was going to lose everything so he made 6 at his third, one of which died.
Bomber lost cost-INEFFICIENTLY in all 3 fights (main, nat, third). AND he didn't think he didn't need any additional bunker support even when army supply was even.
I just don't understand how retarded people get in this thread. That was a crazy back and forth moment where Bomber overestimated his advantage, which if he hadn't, he wouldve been ahead economically.
Jesus Christ. GG. Okay, Bomber leveled the main and Alicia had no production for a long time. And you say that he overestimated his advantage by thinking he didnt need bunkers? He didn't "level" the main, he killed a few pylons and made Alicia pull his probes, that's it. He killed a bunch of probes, the nexus, about 6 gates, templar archives, cybernetics core, and enough pylons to put Alicia in the red for several minutes... If your definition of levelled is "killed everything possible" then no he didn't, but he certainly didn't only kill a few pylons and make Alicia pull probes lol o_O
Maybe he shouldn't have lost his army advantage with split engagements. If he had just ran away, joined his army into a ball and attacked after he did all that damage in the base he probably rolls over him. Once he loses his army advantage, and THEN alicia is able to warp in and spend his bank, do you think hes not going to attack?
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On April 24 2012 20:00 clusen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 19:58 plogamer wrote:On April 24 2012 19:50 SwizzY wrote:
My god so this is the infamous LR whine that people talk about....
Sure bomber completely leveled the main, but not before the resource advantage off the 3-base was capitalized on - there were 5 gates at the third. Alicia knew he was going to lose everything so he made 6 at his third, one of which died.
Bomber lost cost-INEFFICIENTLY in all 3 fights (main, nat, third). AND he didn't think he didn't need any additional bunker support even when army supply was even.
I just don't understand how retarded people get in this thread. That was a crazy back and forth moment where Bomber overestimated his advantage, which if he hadn't, he wouldve been ahead economically.
Jesus Christ. GG. Okay, Bomber leveled the main and Alicia had no production for a long time. And you say that he overestimated his advantage by thinking he didnt need bunkers? He didn't "level" the main, he killed a few pylons and made Alicia pull his probes, that's it.
Key (Artosis) pylons. Nexus. Templar archive. Want to cherry pick more? Fact still remains that Alicia has 0 army production for quite some time. And then he makes a "great comeback" - as some here called it.
Did Alicia out-maneuver Bomber to make the comeback? Did he out-wit Bomber? Nope, he crashed through the front door. What a great comeback.
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On April 24 2012 19:57 Asha` wrote:
Phew, thank god the actually good player wins! =)
that is in your mind the one who is terran ?
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On April 24 2012 20:04 plogamer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 20:00 clusen wrote:On April 24 2012 19:58 plogamer wrote:On April 24 2012 19:50 SwizzY wrote:
My god so this is the infamous LR whine that people talk about....
Sure bomber completely leveled the main, but not before the resource advantage off the 3-base was capitalized on - there were 5 gates at the third. Alicia knew he was going to lose everything so he made 6 at his third, one of which died.
Bomber lost cost-INEFFICIENTLY in all 3 fights (main, nat, third). AND he didn't think he didn't need any additional bunker support even when army supply was even.
I just don't understand how retarded people get in this thread. That was a crazy back and forth moment where Bomber overestimated his advantage, which if he hadn't, he wouldve been ahead economically.
Jesus Christ. GG. Okay, Bomber leveled the main and Alicia had no production for a long time. And you say that he overestimated his advantage by thinking he didnt need bunkers? He didn't "level" the main, he killed a few pylons and made Alicia pull his probes, that's it. Key (Artosis) pylons. Nexus. Templar archive. Want to cherry pick more? Fact still remains that Alicia has 0 army production for quite some time. And then he makes a "great comeback" - as some here called it. Did Alicia out-maneuver Bomber to make the comeback? Did he out-wit Bomber? Nope, he crashed through the front door. What a great comeback.
Are you stupid? You normally can't crash through the front door with an army disadvantage (which if he didn't have after having no production for 'some time', then its Bombers fault). What did he do specifically that allowed him to win?
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On April 24 2012 20:06 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 19:57 Asha` wrote:
Phew, thank god the actually good player wins! =) that is in your mind the one who is terran ?
in this case against a mediocre protoss, yes.
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On April 24 2012 20:04 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 20:02 Asha` wrote:On April 24 2012 20:00 clusen wrote:On April 24 2012 19:58 plogamer wrote:On April 24 2012 19:50 SwizzY wrote:
My god so this is the infamous LR whine that people talk about....
Sure bomber completely leveled the main, but not before the resource advantage off the 3-base was capitalized on - there were 5 gates at the third. Alicia knew he was going to lose everything so he made 6 at his third, one of which died.
Bomber lost cost-INEFFICIENTLY in all 3 fights (main, nat, third). AND he didn't think he didn't need any additional bunker support even when army supply was even.
I just don't understand how retarded people get in this thread. That was a crazy back and forth moment where Bomber overestimated his advantage, which if he hadn't, he wouldve been ahead economically.
Jesus Christ. GG. Okay, Bomber leveled the main and Alicia had no production for a long time. And you say that he overestimated his advantage by thinking he didnt need bunkers? He didn't "level" the main, he killed a few pylons and made Alicia pull his probes, that's it. He killed a bunch of probes, the nexus, about 6 gates, templar archives, cybernetics core, and enough pylons to put Alicia in the red for several minutes... If your definition of levelled is "killed everything possible" then no he didn't, but he certainly didn't only kill a few pylons and make Alicia pull probes lol o_O Maybe he shouldn't have lost his army advantage with split engagements. If he had just ran away, joined his army into a ball and attacked after he did all that damage in the base he probably rolls over him. Once he loses his army advantage, and THEN alicia is able to warp in and spend his bank, do you think hes not going to attack?
I was just responding to the specifics of the statement, not the sentiment. I'm trying to give up talking about TvP because I'm too bad at it to not whine when games mirror my typical failings xD
On April 24 2012 20:06 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 19:57 Asha` wrote:
Phew, thank god the actually good player wins! =) that is in your mind the one who is terran ?
Nah, just that Bomber is much more proven to have what it takes than Alicia.
Bomber isn't as good as he could be because of his tendency to make some weird decisions but his mechanical ability is right up there with anyone else. Alicia on the other hand has always been characterised by poor mechanics, despite some flashy plays that temporarily wowed people (his cool DT play in his original Code A run for instance).
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On April 24 2012 20:06 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 20:04 plogamer wrote:On April 24 2012 20:00 clusen wrote:On April 24 2012 19:58 plogamer wrote:On April 24 2012 19:50 SwizzY wrote:
My god so this is the infamous LR whine that people talk about....
Sure bomber completely leveled the main, but not before the resource advantage off the 3-base was capitalized on - there were 5 gates at the third. Alicia knew he was going to lose everything so he made 6 at his third, one of which died.
Bomber lost cost-INEFFICIENTLY in all 3 fights (main, nat, third). AND he didn't think he didn't need any additional bunker support even when army supply was even.
I just don't understand how retarded people get in this thread. That was a crazy back and forth moment where Bomber overestimated his advantage, which if he hadn't, he wouldve been ahead economically.
Jesus Christ. GG. Okay, Bomber leveled the main and Alicia had no production for a long time. And you say that he overestimated his advantage by thinking he didnt need bunkers? He didn't "level" the main, he killed a few pylons and made Alicia pull his probes, that's it. Key (Artosis) pylons. Nexus. Templar archive. Want to cherry pick more? Fact still remains that Alicia has 0 army production for quite some time. And then he makes a "great comeback" - as some here called it. Did Alicia out-maneuver Bomber to make the comeback? Did he out-wit Bomber? Nope, he crashed through the front door. What a great comeback. Are you stupid? You normally can't crash through the front door with an army disadvantage (which if he didn't have after having no production for 'some time', then its Bombers fault). What did he do specifically that allowed him to win?
Warpgate tech and chronoboost. Good skill toi have?
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On April 24 2012 20:00 tgun wrote:
What's the song being played now (before avenge/sniper)?
Ah I would have used Shazam to find out the name if I knew someone wanted it. Can't help outside of responding to this so that maybe someone else sees this post.
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On April 24 2012 20:04 plogamer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 20:00 clusen wrote:On April 24 2012 19:58 plogamer wrote:On April 24 2012 19:50 SwizzY wrote:
My god so this is the infamous LR whine that people talk about....
Sure bomber completely leveled the main, but not before the resource advantage off the 3-base was capitalized on - there were 5 gates at the third. Alicia knew he was going to lose everything so he made 6 at his third, one of which died.
Bomber lost cost-INEFFICIENTLY in all 3 fights (main, nat, third). AND he didn't think he didn't need any additional bunker support even when army supply was even.
I just don't understand how retarded people get in this thread. That was a crazy back and forth moment where Bomber overestimated his advantage, which if he hadn't, he wouldve been ahead economically.
Jesus Christ. GG. Okay, Bomber leveled the main and Alicia had no production for a long time. And you say that he overestimated his advantage by thinking he didnt need bunkers? He didn't "level" the main, he killed a few pylons and made Alicia pull his probes, that's it. Key (Artosis) pylons. Nexus. Templar archive. Want to cherry pick more? Fact still remains that Alicia has 0 army production for quite some time. And then he makes a "great comeback" - as some here called it. Did Alicia out-maneuver Bomber to make the comeback? Did he out-wit Bomber? Nope, he crashed through the front door. What a great comeback.
Yeah i don't think Alicias comeback was that great. He just had a ton of money since he couldn't produced anything, warped in lots of units then attacked.
Bomber messed up by overextending more than Alicia having a great comeback. Call it a comeback, but its certainly not one of the classics.
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ok if seeing a particular player or race winning pisses you off to the point you have to yell at strangers over the internet, then you should either go smoke a cigarette or start taking yourself less seriously
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On April 24 2012 20:06 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 20:04 plogamer wrote:On April 24 2012 20:00 clusen wrote:On April 24 2012 19:58 plogamer wrote:On April 24 2012 19:50 SwizzY wrote:
My god so this is the infamous LR whine that people talk about....
Sure bomber completely leveled the main, but not before the resource advantage off the 3-base was capitalized on - there were 5 gates at the third. Alicia knew he was going to lose everything so he made 6 at his third, one of which died.
Bomber lost cost-INEFFICIENTLY in all 3 fights (main, nat, third). AND he didn't think he didn't need any additional bunker support even when army supply was even.
I just don't understand how retarded people get in this thread. That was a crazy back and forth moment where Bomber overestimated his advantage, which if he hadn't, he wouldve been ahead economically.
Jesus Christ. GG. Okay, Bomber leveled the main and Alicia had no production for a long time. And you say that he overestimated his advantage by thinking he didnt need bunkers? He didn't "level" the main, he killed a few pylons and made Alicia pull his probes, that's it. Key (Artosis) pylons. Nexus. Templar archive. Want to cherry pick more? Fact still remains that Alicia has 0 army production for quite some time. And then he makes a "great comeback" - as some here called it. Did Alicia out-maneuver Bomber to make the comeback? Did he out-wit Bomber? Nope, he crashed through the front door. What a great comeback. Are you stupid? You normally can't crash through the front door with an army disadvantage (which if he didn't have after having no production for 'some time', then its Bombers fault). What did he do specifically that allowed him to win?
Watch the video again, and see how Bomber is just held on every drop, push or stim he did after the "unpowering".
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On April 24 2012 20:08 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok if seeing a particular player or race winning pisses you off to the point you have to yell at strangers over the internet, then you should either go smoke a cigarette or start taking yourself less seriously
Preferably the latter because smoking is bad4u
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lol the next game is a 2on2?  *points at 1st post*
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On April 24 2012 20:06 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 20:04 plogamer wrote:On April 24 2012 20:00 clusen wrote:On April 24 2012 19:58 plogamer wrote:On April 24 2012 19:50 SwizzY wrote:
My god so this is the infamous LR whine that people talk about....
Sure bomber completely leveled the main, but not before the resource advantage off the 3-base was capitalized on - there were 5 gates at the third. Alicia knew he was going to lose everything so he made 6 at his third, one of which died.
Bomber lost cost-INEFFICIENTLY in all 3 fights (main, nat, third). AND he didn't think he didn't need any additional bunker support even when army supply was even.
I just don't understand how retarded people get in this thread. That was a crazy back and forth moment where Bomber overestimated his advantage, which if he hadn't, he wouldve been ahead economically.
Jesus Christ. GG. Okay, Bomber leveled the main and Alicia had no production for a long time. And you say that he overestimated his advantage by thinking he didnt need bunkers? He didn't "level" the main, he killed a few pylons and made Alicia pull his probes, that's it. Key (Artosis) pylons. Nexus. Templar archive. Want to cherry pick more? Fact still remains that Alicia has 0 army production for quite some time. And then he makes a "great comeback" - as some here called it. Did Alicia out-maneuver Bomber to make the comeback? Did he out-wit Bomber? Nope, he crashed through the front door. What a great comeback. Are you stupid? You normally can't crash through the front door with an army disadvantage (which if he didn't have after having no production for 'some time', then its Bombers fault). What did he do specifically that allowed him to win?
You do realize that if Bomber had the groups of bio balls and medivacs that he donated to Alicia after he took out the Templar Archive, he most likely could have secured his 4th and then held of the counter attack that Alicia did after that? That was close to 40 supply he just threw for a couple of zealots, stalkers, pylons and probes. I thought he was doing amazing when it was happening, but on hindsight he really should have just ran after he had taken out the Templar Archives.
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On April 24 2012 20:10 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 20:06 zefreak wrote:On April 24 2012 20:04 plogamer wrote:On April 24 2012 20:00 clusen wrote:On April 24 2012 19:58 plogamer wrote:On April 24 2012 19:50 SwizzY wrote:
My god so this is the infamous LR whine that people talk about....
Sure bomber completely leveled the main, but not before the resource advantage off the 3-base was capitalized on - there were 5 gates at the third. Alicia knew he was going to lose everything so he made 6 at his third, one of which died.
Bomber lost cost-INEFFICIENTLY in all 3 fights (main, nat, third). AND he didn't think he didn't need any additional bunker support even when army supply was even.
I just don't understand how retarded people get in this thread. That was a crazy back and forth moment where Bomber overestimated his advantage, which if he hadn't, he wouldve been ahead economically.
Jesus Christ. GG. Okay, Bomber leveled the main and Alicia had no production for a long time. And you say that he overestimated his advantage by thinking he didnt need bunkers? He didn't "level" the main, he killed a few pylons and made Alicia pull his probes, that's it. Key (Artosis) pylons. Nexus. Templar archive. Want to cherry pick more? Fact still remains that Alicia has 0 army production for quite some time. And then he makes a "great comeback" - as some here called it. Did Alicia out-maneuver Bomber to make the comeback? Did he out-wit Bomber? Nope, he crashed through the front door. What a great comeback. Are you stupid? You normally can't crash through the front door with an army disadvantage (which if he didn't have after having no production for 'some time', then its Bombers fault). What did he do specifically that allowed him to win? You do realize that if Bomber had the groups of bio balls and medivacs that he donated to Alicia after he took out the Templar Archive, he most likely could have secured his 4th and then held of the counter attack that Alicia did after that? That was close to 40 supply he just threw for a couple of zealots, stalkers, pylons and probes. I thought he was doing amazing when it was happening, but on hindsight he really should have just ran after he had taken out the Templar Archives.
Yeah, that is my point. I was asking him to get him to think about how it was possible, instead of just complaining. I know what Bomber did wrong, but some people would rather focus on how Protoss has such and such advantage.
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