The Invite-Only Online Qualifiers, the next stage in the Spring StarCraft II Season, will be played this weekend. Matches will be played from April 27-29: competitors, please see the event page for the competition schedule for your Region.
The Top 8 from the NA Region, the Top 10 from the KR/TW Region, and the Top 9 from the EU Region will move on from the Invite-Only Online Qualifiers to compete in Spring Arena 2 alongside the Top 4 from Arena 1, and the winner of the Dreamhack EIZO Open, mouzThorzain.
Broadcast
We will be broadcasting commentated matches from the Invite-Only Online Qualifiers on May 8-13. Exact broadcast times will be announced shortly.
KR/TW Region Broadcast: May 8-9
NA Region Broadcast: May 10-11
EU Region Broadcast: May 12-13
Lineup
The competitors for the Invite-Only Online Qualifiers are:
The bottom 4 from Arena 1
The 9th – 80th place finishers from the Winter Championship
The Top 8 from each Region of the Open Qualifiers
Anyone who played in the Winter Arena but did not attend the Winter Championship
Here is the full list of competitors, and the Regions in which they'll be competing. Please note: seeds are subject to change.
On April 24 2012 07:08 m0ck wrote: The system by design excludes so many great players from participating, this really needs a rethink.
There was open qualifiers. The system is wierd and favors heavily people who have come to MLG but this time if a good player isn't there it means he didn't want to try the qualifiers and that's his problem.
PS : Also eastern players are less likely to apply for MLG because of visa issues.
Several weird things that require explanation in my opinion. To start with, how do MLG decide what region the players have to qualify through. For example QxGSaSe will be qualifying in the Korean region while QxGNaNi will qualify in the NA one. Next is how so many amazing Europeans have been left out. I haven't really looked into the list from NA, but it's huge so maybe they fit in all the players? Just having a hard time seeing Pomi, Tefel, Seiplo, Roof being there while Nerchio and Kas isn't. Don't get me wrong, the four first mentioned are great, Nerchio and Kas are just toptop european players. I'd really love it for MLG to explain the seeding process!
On April 24 2012 07:29 Tryxtira wrote: Several weird things that require explanation in my opinion. To start with, how do MLG decide what region the players have to qualify through. For example QxGSaSe will be qualifying in the Korean region while QxGNaNi will qualify in the NA one. Next is how so many amazing Europeans have been left out. I haven't really looked into the list from NA, but it's huge so maybe they fit in all the players? Just having a hard time seeing Pomi, Tefel, Seiplo, Roof being there while Nerchio and Kas isn't. Don't get me wrong, the four first mentioned are great, Nerchio and Kas are just toptop european players. I'd really love it for MLG to explain the seeding process!
As far as I remember players can choose what qualifier to participate in themselves; which I assume is why some players chose NA over KR, because of better chances in the NA bracket.
On April 24 2012 07:29 Tryxtira wrote: Several weird things that require explanation in my opinion. To start with, how do MLG decide what region the players have to qualify through. For example QxGSaSe will be qualifying in the Korean region while QxGNaNi will qualify in the NA one. Next is how so many amazing Europeans have been left out. I haven't really looked into the list from NA, but it's huge so maybe they fit in all the players? Just having a hard time seeing Pomi, Tefel, Seiplo, Roof being there while Nerchio and Kas isn't. Don't get me wrong, the four first mentioned are great, Nerchio and Kas are just toptop european players. I'd really love it for MLG to explain the seeding process!
1. I think they do it like for the Winter Season: the players choose, which region they want to qualify through. If they win in a region where they live, they get the trip paid. If they qualify through a region they don't live they get 400$ from MLG to travel, but eventual extra costs have to be paid by the players/teams.
2. Theres in the line-up explanation this point: "The 9th – 80th place finishers from the Winter Championship". That includes a big part of the open bracket and due the fact that MLG is happening in North America: there are a lot more players to attend through NA.
3. Kas and Nerchio tried to qualify through the open qualifier, but they failed to do so. They got knocked out and failed to qualify. It's as simple as that.
As Derez said, the players choose which qualifier to participate in. The catch is that the free flight to Arena must originate from that region, or you only get a $400 travel voucher instead. So if for example a Korean tries to qualify through EU, he will only get a $400 voucher instead of a ~$1500+ free flight.
The low European/Korean count is because relatively few of them came to MLG on their own to grab the 9th – 80th spots. So instead the real bottleneck for Europeans/Koreans was the open qualifiers. Looking at Europe, there were 8 open spots + 10 players from the 9th-80th in the previous MLG.
I think it's a nice combination of rewarding people for showing up to MLG on their own, while still giving legit top players the chance to qualify on their own merits for free flights to Arena/Championship.
On April 24 2012 07:40 amazingoopah wrote: who is Bapia111? Seeing him/her listed as a member of slayers but I dont' remember anyone with that alternate tag...
I'm pretty sure this is ryung because the three Slayers qualifiers were MMA, Alicia and Ryung.
On April 24 2012 07:52 FreudianTrip wrote: And people say that EU has more depth than NA. Not according to MLG I guess.
EU has more depth, but not infinite money. Most of the NA players come from the places 9th - 80th, which includes the open bracket. And because MLG is happening in NA, the NA guys could attend the open bracket, because it cost them less money than the EU guys.
"The Top 8 from the NA Region, the Top 10 from the KR/TW Region, and the Top 9 from the EU Region"
This is stupid. NA should get the most qualifiers with Korea. It's a NA tournament after all and it's always going to have by far the most participants due to if you get 9-80th championship stipulation.
On April 24 2012 07:52 FreudianTrip wrote: And people say that EU has more depth than NA. Not according to MLG I guess.
EU has more depth, but not infinite money. Most of the NA players come from the places 9th - 80th, which includes the open bracket. And because MLG is happening in NA, the NA guys could attend the open bracket, because it cost them less money than the EU guys.
You realise it's an online qualifer right? Whoever wins the online qualifier gets their flight to NA paid for.
On April 24 2012 07:52 FreudianTrip wrote: And people say that EU has more depth than NA. Not according to MLG I guess.
EU has more depth, but not infinite money. Most of the NA players come from the places 9th - 80th, which includes the open bracket. And because MLG is happening in NA, the NA guys could attend the open bracket, because it cost them less money than the EU guys.
You realise it's an online qualifer right? Whoever wins the online qualifier gets their flight to NA paid for.
On April 24 2012 07:52 FreudianTrip wrote: And people say that EU has more depth than NA. Not according to MLG I guess.
EU has more depth, but not infinite money. Most of the NA players come from the places 9th - 80th, which includes the open bracket. And because MLG is happening in NA, the NA guys could attend the open bracket, because it cost them less money than the EU guys.
You realise it's an online qualifer right? Whoever wins the online qualifier gets their flight to NA paid for.
I was talking about the Winter Championship.
I feel like we're agreeing so this convo is pointless. Just think it's a bit embarassing the tiny turnout in the EU bracket. If it's Invite Only do MLG just not have a clue and invited no-one or did everyone turn the opportunity for a free flight to the US down?
On April 24 2012 07:52 FreudianTrip wrote: And people say that EU has more depth than NA. Not according to MLG I guess.
EU has more depth, but not infinite money. Most of the NA players come from the places 9th - 80th, which includes the open bracket. And because MLG is happening in NA, the NA guys could attend the open bracket, because it cost them less money than the EU guys.
You realise it's an online qualifer right? Whoever wins the online qualifier gets their flight to NA paid for.
I was talking about the Winter Championship.
I feel like we're agreeing so this convo is pointless. Just think it's a bit embarassing the tiny turnout in the EU bracket. If it's Invite Only do MLG just not have a clue and invited no-one or did everyone turn the opportunity for a free flight to the US down?
I don't think you understand the format. They only invited the top 9-80th from MLG Winter championship to this invite only qualifier. This means there will be less Europeans b/c less europeans attend the championship event. The only other way to get an invite to this qualifier is to play in the open qualifer that was held earlier.
On April 24 2012 07:52 FreudianTrip wrote: And people say that EU has more depth than NA. Not according to MLG I guess.
EU has more depth, but not infinite money. Most of the NA players come from the places 9th - 80th, which includes the open bracket. And because MLG is happening in NA, the NA guys could attend the open bracket, because it cost them less money than the EU guys.
You realise it's an online qualifer right? Whoever wins the online qualifier gets their flight to NA paid for.
I was talking about the Winter Championship.
I feel like we're agreeing so this convo is pointless. Just think it's a bit embarassing the tiny turnout in the EU bracket. If it's Invite Only do MLG just not have a clue and invited no-one or did everyone turn the opportunity for a free flight to the US down?
"Invitational" is not the best word for this tournament. 100% of the players qualified for this on merit. Either doing well in Winter championships or the online qualifiers. Nowhere in the process for the Spring season did MLG decide who to invite.
On April 24 2012 06:37 MLGAnnouncements wrote: The Top 9 from the EU Region will move on from the Invite-Only Online Qualifiers to compete in Spring Arena 2
On April 24 2012 07:52 FreudianTrip wrote: And people say that EU has more depth than NA. Not according to MLG I guess.
EU has more depth, but not infinite money. Most of the NA players come from the places 9th - 80th, which includes the open bracket. And because MLG is happening in NA, the NA guys could attend the open bracket, because it cost them less money than the EU guys.
You realise it's an online qualifer right? Whoever wins the online qualifier gets their flight to NA paid for.
I was talking about the Winter Championship.
I feel like we're agreeing so this convo is pointless. Just think it's a bit embarassing the tiny turnout in the EU bracket. If it's Invite Only do MLG just not have a clue and invited no-one or did everyone turn the opportunity for a free flight to the US down?
It's called invite qualifier, but that doesn't mean MLG invites anyone just out of nowhere. Players have to achieve certain conditions to participate. So EU players had to:
-Place Top 8 in the EU open qualifier -Place between 9th - 80th at the Winter Championship -Be an player from MLG Winter Arena that has not participated in the Winter Championship
On April 24 2012 06:37 MLGAnnouncements wrote: The Top 9 from the EU Region will move on from the Invite-Only Online Qualifiers to compete in Spring Arena 2
On April 24 2012 08:00 Otolia wrote: Guys, read the topic, read Liquipedia and stop ranting mindlessly about a system you don't know.
Which part?
The part where you comply about the low EU turnout when unusual players have qualified from the Open Online Qualifiers, the rest of the invited players for the Invite Only are people who were at the championship. The qualified players deserve a shot because they won, we have to stop seeing the same players over and over again. I want to see Fraer, Tefel and other newcomers instead of the rotting Strelok (though very nice) or any of the copycat Empire Terrans.
On April 24 2012 08:09 CrugerDK wrote: this format makes no sense what so ever........ you ending up with a huge NA qualifier because of the whole top 80 thing, while leaving out many top EU players.. and why are the top 4 from this arena 1 even in this event?? surely they are already in the championship...
the top 4 from arena 1 deserves to play in arena 2 (even if they already qualified for pool play in the championship). It's stupid to say something like "you don't deserve a chance to win more prize money b/c you played too well at the first arena!" You would basically be punishing players b/c they did too good in the previous event
This is the second stage of the Qualifiers, which is why the EU list has narrowed to 18 - the first stage eliminated a huge batch of players. What allows the NA and KR/TW list to contain 20+ players is that MLG invites the 9th-80th seeded players in their league directly into the second stage of the qualifiers. Very few EU players went to the MLGs on their own, and that's why they're not in the seeds.
On April 24 2012 08:00 Otolia wrote: Guys, read the topic, read Liquipedia and stop ranting mindlessly about a system you don't know.
Which part?
The part where you comply about the low EU turnout when unusual players have qualified from the Open Online Qualifiers, the rest of the invited players for the Invite Only are people who were at the championship. The qualified players deserve a shot because they won, we have to stop seeing the same players over and over again. I want to see Fraer, Tefel and other newcomers instead of the rotting Strelok (though very nice) or any of the copycat Empire Terrans.
Id est : System working as intended.
I agree that roof, Seiplo & Fraer deserves a chance to show just how good they are, but this system is pretty conservative, I would say. You have 8 qualifiers from an open qualifier, and then you have the 'good ol' boys' of past participators of MLGs (in other words, the people who won the winter qualifier have a massive advantage over the spring qualifiers).
I see no reason not to include more people in the current qualifier, preferably in a system less random than this. Single-bracket systems are pretty terrible at ranking players by ability. The importance of a good draw and the variance of single bo3s make for a somewhat random outcome.
On April 24 2012 08:00 Otolia wrote: Guys, read the topic, read Liquipedia and stop ranting mindlessly about a system you don't know.
Which part?
The part where you comply about the low EU turnout when unusual players have qualified from the Open Online Qualifiers, the rest of the invited players for the Invite Only are people who were at the championship. The qualified players deserve a shot because they won, we have to stop seeing the same players over and over again. I want to see Fraer, Tefel and other newcomers instead of the rotting Strelok (though very nice) or any of the copycat Empire Terrans.
Id est : System working as intended.
I agree that roof, Seiplo & Fraer deserves a chance to show just how good they are, but this system is pretty conservative, I would say. You have 8 qualifiers from an open qualifier, and then you have the 'good ol' boys' of past participators of MLGs (in other words, the people who won the winter qualifier have a massive advantage over the spring qualifiers).
I see no reason not to include more people in the current qualifier, preferably in a system less random than this. Single-bracket systems are pretty terrible at ranking players by ability. The importance of a good draw and the variance of single bo3s make for a somewhat random outcome.
That's another complain and I agree with you, even though the qualifiers were double elim. I'm an advocate of completely open qualifiers based tournaments.
However people were complaining about the line up for EU because they didn't bother to inform themselves. That's not acceptable.
On April 24 2012 08:00 Otolia wrote: Guys, read the topic, read Liquipedia and stop ranting mindlessly about a system you don't know.
Which part?
The part where you comply about the low EU turnout when unusual players have qualified from the Open Online Qualifiers, the rest of the invited players for the Invite Only are people who were at the championship. The qualified players deserve a shot because they won, we have to stop seeing the same players over and over again. I want to see Fraer, Tefel and other newcomers instead of the rotting Strelok (though very nice) or any of the copycat Empire Terrans.
Id est : System working as intended.
I agree that roof, Seiplo & Fraer deserves a chance to show just how good they are, but this system is pretty conservative, I would say. You have 8 qualifiers from an open qualifier, and then you have the 'good ol' boys' of past participators of MLGs (in other words, the people who won the winter qualifier have a massive advantage over the spring qualifiers).
I see no reason not to include more people in the current qualifier, preferably in a system less random than this. Single-bracket systems are pretty terrible at ranking players by ability. The importance of a good draw and the variance of single bo3s make for a somewhat random outcome.
That's another complain and I agree with you, even though the qualifiers were double elim. I'm an advocate of completely open qualifiers based tournaments.
However people were complaining about the line up for EU because they didn't bother to inform themselves. That's not acceptable.
They were indeed double-brackets, my bad. In that case, I think MLG has given the qualifiers for the qualifier a decent shot, even though I don't really see the need of rewarding so many people for simply showing up at the last MLG. In any case, it's a decent system. There's a lot of great players missing, but most of them tried but failed.
Looking at the brackets for the pre-qualifier is a hassle though, the bracket-page doesn't really work in chrome (at least at my end). The page loads very slowly and I had no names show up in the bracket. Firefox is better, but still loads very slowly.
On April 24 2012 08:00 Otolia wrote: Guys, read the topic, read Liquipedia and stop ranting mindlessly about a system you don't know.
Which part?
The part where you comply about the low EU turnout when unusual players have qualified from the Open Online Qualifiers, the rest of the invited players for the Invite Only are people who were at the championship. The qualified players deserve a shot because they won, we have to stop seeing the same players over and over again. I want to see Fraer, Tefel and other newcomers instead of the rotting Strelok (though very nice) or any of the copycat Empire Terrans.
Id est : System working as intended.
I agree that roof, Seiplo & Fraer deserves a chance to show just how good they are, but this system is pretty conservative, I would say. You have 8 qualifiers from an open qualifier, and then you have the 'good ol' boys' of past participators of MLGs (in other words, the people who won the winter qualifier have a massive advantage over the spring qualifiers).
I see no reason not to include more people in the current qualifier, preferably in a system less random than this. Single-bracket systems are pretty terrible at ranking players by ability. The importance of a good draw and the variance of single bo3s make for a somewhat random outcome.
There are only 10 spots for Europeans. So taking 8 from qualifiers is reasonable IMO. Also someone already pointed out the qualifier was double elim not single.
If you hope to make top 10, you probably should be able to make top 8 in a qualifier that excludes the "good ol boys" as you say.
What advantage do people who won the winter qualifier have over the spring qualifier?
I dont think you shoukd be able to play a qualifier when you dint live in the region ... Dumb to see Naniwa/Koreans in a NA qualifier. They dont even live in NA except Violet
the EU qualifier looks so sad. Half of the top guys are missing. -.- And half of the players listed are like B-team players. (nothing against them so) No mouz players except morrow? Thats just...
Who can blame them so. It's a long trip that costs a lot of practice time and energy. With so many koreans its also tough to get in the money.
I am just happy to see LosirA back, though his last MLG was not good i know he can do way better then he did in winter, he's getting back in to shape and is showing impressive results online to. I am going to enjoy watching this.
Oh and yes the EU line is looking a bit thin, still it's not the number but the quality of players that matter.
On April 24 2012 12:52 snowfox330 wrote: And what happened to HerO? I haven't seen him in a tourney since assembly.
Then you don't watch GSL. He is focussing on that mostly. And the reason why he is not in this qualifier: he failed to qualify through the open qualifier.
On April 24 2012 07:29 Tryxtira wrote: Several weird things that require explanation in my opinion. To start with, how do MLG decide what region the players have to qualify through. For example QxGSaSe will be qualifying in the Korean region while QxGNaNi will qualify in the NA one. Next is how so many amazing Europeans have been left out. I haven't really looked into the list from NA, but it's huge so maybe they fit in all the players? Just having a hard time seeing Pomi, Tefel, Seiplo, Roof being there while Nerchio and Kas isn't. Don't get me wrong, the four first mentioned are great, Nerchio and Kas are just toptop european players. I'd really love it for MLG to explain the seeding process!
Basically you can enter any qualifier you want to travel from. If Naniwa qualifies through NA he will get a plane ticket/stipend or what have you equal to that of someone living in NA.
On April 24 2012 07:52 FreudianTrip wrote: And people say that EU has more depth than NA. Not according to MLG I guess.
EU has more depth, but not infinite money. Most of the NA players come from the places 9th - 80th, which includes the open bracket. And because MLG is happening in NA, the NA guys could attend the open bracket, because it cost them less money than the EU guys.
I believe MLG envisions of having offline arenas all over the globe. It would be wonderful!
Even though NA seems to have the largest bracket it shouldn't be hard for people to qualify unless they are placed an disproportionally strong bracket. This might be last time we see Idra achieve something so definitely will try to watch.
On April 24 2012 06:37 MLGAnnouncements wrote: The Top 9 from the EU Region will move on from the Invite-Only Online Qualifiers to compete in Spring Arena 2
Half of Europe qualifies :D That's just a single round to win I guess.
Yes, and yet MLG will likely do a similar broadcast format. A two day (instead of four) double elimination bracket to determine their qualification and seeding in arena #2.
On April 24 2012 10:06 IMNasty wrote: the reason EU seems weak is because a lot of the big names got knocked out in the qualifiers (kas, white-ra, mana, nerchio, titan etc.)
Yeah basically MLG is moving the championship open bracket to online and saving those guys $.
I thought a lot of the reason for the format change in 2012 was to move away from the system that rewarded people who attended MLG events consistently. I don't feel this system allows for enough rotation of players, especially those from Korea / Europe who can't afford to risk everything in the open bracket. The open qualifier only being a qualifier for the invite only is really rough considering people who attended an MLG pretty much get to the invite only for free.
On April 25 2012 18:41 R1CH wrote: I thought a lot of the reason for the format change in 2012 was to move away from the system that rewarded people who attended MLG events consistently. I don't feel this system allows for enough rotation of players, especially those from Korea / Europe who can't afford to risk everything in the open bracket. The open qualifier only being a qualifier for the invite only is really rough considering people who attended an MLG pretty much get to the invite only for free.
Yeah, its a pretty weird system, we're basically gonna have the same bunch of player as before, especially from the EU bracket.
did everyone sign up for NA thinking that they would have an easier time? >.> Barely anyone signed for Europe and Korea D=
On April 25 2012 18:41 R1CH wrote: I thought a lot of the reason for the format change in 2012 was to move away from the system that rewarded people who attended MLG events consistently. I don't feel this system allows for enough rotation of players, especially those from Korea / Europe who can't afford to risk everything in the open bracket. The open qualifier only being a qualifier for the invite only is really rough considering people who attended an MLG pretty much get to the invite only for free.
Honestly, I wish that they at least used the formula that they did for the first winter arena. At least then we would have more participation from korea and europe...
The reason a lot of Europeans aren't there is because the Winter Arena was same time as assembly, so alot of people didnt go to the Championship, therefor only 8 could get into the invite-only qualifier.
On April 25 2012 18:48 LittleAtari wrote: did everyone sign up for NA thinking that they would have an easier time? >.> Barely anyone signed for Europe and Korea D=
On April 25 2012 18:41 R1CH wrote: I thought a lot of the reason for the format change in 2012 was to move away from the system that rewarded people who attended MLG events consistently. I don't feel this system allows for enough rotation of players, especially those from Korea / Europe who can't afford to risk everything in the open bracket. The open qualifier only being a qualifier for the invite only is really rough considering people who attended an MLG pretty much get to the invite only for free.
Honestly, I wish that they at least used the formula that they did for the first winter arena. At least then we would have more participation from korea and europe...
That invite only formua? So basically if you're a nobody you won't get invited.
On April 25 2012 19:17 CoR wrote: i really wonder why no naniwa and why so less eurpeans also i am sad cause my most favorite player hasuobs isnt attending
On April 25 2012 19:17 CoR wrote: i really wonder why no naniwa and why so less eurpeans also i am sad cause my most favorite player hasuobs isnt attending
On April 25 2012 19:17 CoR wrote: i really wonder why no naniwa and why so less eurpeans also i am sad cause my most favorite player hasuobs isnt attending
For this invite only qualifiers there were open qualifiers that the likes of Genius, Hero, Taeja, Jackji, Kas and other good players people ask about did not advance from.
On April 25 2012 18:41 R1CH wrote: I thought a lot of the reason for the format change in 2012 was to move away from the system that rewarded people who attended MLG events consistently. I don't feel this system allows for enough rotation of players, especially those from Korea / Europe who can't afford to risk everything in the open bracket. The open qualifier only being a qualifier for the invite only is really rough considering people who attended an MLG pretty much get to the invite only for free.
All the guys not on the list probably turned down the invite. And MLG will never move away from rewarding people that participate in their events in some way or another. Its a smart strategy to make sure that the top performing players are always present. But there was an open qualifier and they said they will make it more open with time anyways.
On April 25 2012 20:16 archonOOid wrote: Invites sucks, open entry is the only way to go. MLG is just feeding a select group of players which is not the best anyways, especially in Europe.
Have you bothered reading the other posts? There WAS an open qualifier. The top 8 from each open qualifier region is fed into this invite-only qualifier.
On April 25 2012 18:41 Musicus wrote: So Hasu isn't going to the next MLG either I guess. He was top 36 in MLG Winter Championship but isn't listed in the qualifier.
He can't play in the qualifier because it clashes with his EPS games.
At least the European qualifier format needs to be redone, it's like the previous Code S format, it takes ages for more than a few players to drop out and for new players to get in, it really makes no sense to me to hold an open qualifier, get a lot of good players in there and then let only a handful of them qualify for the invite-only qualifier. Has way too much benefit for the players who qualified for Winter Arena which makes no sense, because the qualifier for the Winter Arena had the stupidest format I've seen in a while, most players had no chance to even get into the qualifier, there's no point to punish them for this by giving the players who "managed" to get in an extra advantage.
I understand the eu comments but if dreamhavk/gsl did the same thing it would be the opposite. It's a us based competition of course more NA guys will go. At least his system allows for open qualification into this bracket.
In the end the spring arena will have the same representation from each of the regions. MLG wants to recognize players that come to their championship events and do well. This is a good way to do so without seeding them directly into pools like they did last year. You could be seeded #1 in this qualifier and not get to the arena. This is a much better way to decide the pools.
Why should MLG invite someone who never goes overseas to their events. They want people who want to be there. If you want to no have to qualify through the online quals, then fly over to the US and compete in the championship. It's probably easier to get top 80 there than to win the online quals anyway.
On April 25 2012 20:16 archonOOid wrote: Invites sucks, open entry is the only way to go. MLG is just feeding a select group of players which is not the best anyways, especially in Europe.
Have you bothered reading the other posts? There WAS an open qualifier. The top 8 from each open qualifier region is fed into this invite-only qualifier.
Actually this is a qualifier for a invite-only qualifier....
No NonY, Hero, Taeja, or Zenio T-T. Hopefully liquid still gets some good representation with Sheth, Ret, TLO, Haypro, and Jinro. At least Ret and TLO shouldn't have too hard of a time getting through Europe as there are 9 of 18 going through. Still T-T
On April 25 2012 20:16 archonOOid wrote: Invites sucks, open entry is the only way to go. MLG is just feeding a select group of players which is not the best anyways, especially in Europe.
Have you bothered reading the other posts? There WAS an open qualifier. The top 8 from each open qualifier region is fed into this invite-only qualifier.
Actually this is a qualifier for a invite-only qualifier....
An invite-only qualifier for an invite-only qualifier!
On April 25 2012 21:01 widdox wrote: I understand the eu comments but if dreamhavk/gsl did the same thing it would be the opposite. It's a us based competition of course more NA guys will go. At least his system allows for open qualification into this bracket.
The point is not to get more EU players in there, I don't really care if it's EU or NA that has 8 or 9 spots, it doesn't matter much.
On April 25 2012 21:01 widdox wrote: In the end the spring arena will have the same representation from each of the regions. MLG wants to recognize players that come to their championship events and do well. This is a good way to do so without seeding them directly into pools like they did last year. You could be seeded #1 in this qualifier and not get to the arena. This is a much better way to decide the pools.
Why should MLG invite someone who never goes overseas to their events. They want people who want to be there. If you want to no have to qualify through the online quals, then fly over to the US and compete in the championship. It's probably easier to get top 80 there than to win the online quals anyway.
I don't really get it.
Why would MLG only want people who would get flown to their events anyway. There are a lot of really good players who might "want to be" at MLGs but their teams don't have the money to send them there or don't want to spend it with little to no expected return. I thought this was the reason MLG made the whole thing more open and paid for flights and stuff not only for Koreans but also for the other guys at the arenas. To get a better representation of European players at their Arenas and Championship events, not just everyone from Liquid, someone from mouz and maybe someone from Dignitas.
Do you see the difference in the teams in the player list in the first posts?
Seeded from previous MLGs: Alternate, Liquid, Dignitas, Mouz, (teams who always could afford to send players to MLGs)
Qualified now for the first time: RoxKIS, BLAST, AlienInvasion.
If we had like 16 or 24 players qualify for this qualifier instead of 8, the field would be more competitive, more interesting and a much greater possibility of perceived upsets and chances for newcomers who deserve more spotlight.
With the current format, it seems like MLG either really isn't going for this, or they failed to achieve what they wanted.
Seriously, a qualifier where 9 out of the 18 invited players get a spot is kinda boring.
I feel MLG made the system way more complicated than it had to be. Adding yet more arenas (they even have to number them now) and qualifiers to invite qualifiers to arenas to actual championships -- why? Just to have more content? This could have been achieved with a simpler system which -- as has been said before in this thread -- actually achieves what it was meant to fix: To not see the same exclusive group of players over and over again.
At times it feels like the current MLG format only exists to entertain JP and the NYC studio gang...
And having your squeezed-in extra content purposefully clash with other major events and then trying to cement your status by talking other major tournaments into becoming your qualifier (to another qualifier, no less), doesn't earn you extra brownie points either.
NO destiny? how did QXC get on that list I hate how he is riding his past achievements so far(which are not even that great) there are better more active players than him...
On April 26 2012 00:27 IOvEggY wrote: NO destiny? how did QXC get on that list I hate how he is riding his past achievements so far(which are not even that great) there are better more active players than him...
You should learn to read.
The list is comprised of players who either: a) Placed 9-80th at MLG Winter Championships in Columbus OH b) Placed 1-8th at MLG Winter Championships in Columbus, OH and then placed 5-8th at MLG Spring Arena 1 in NYC, NY c) Qualified through their respective (chosen) region's Open Qualifiers that were held last week.
On April 26 2012 00:27 IOvEggY wrote: NO destiny? how did QXC get on that list I hate how he is riding his past achievements so far(which are not even that great) there are better more active players than him...
You think Destiny is better than qxc? You are hilarious.
On April 26 2012 00:27 IOvEggY wrote: NO destiny? how did QXC get on that list I hate how he is riding his past achievements so far(which are not even that great) there are better more active players than him...
You are right, getting an all-kill in the GSTL is not even that great.
On April 24 2012 06:52 MrMotionPicture wrote: Only 8 from NA and it is the biggest pool? Oh my! Competition!
Least skill in that region probably the reason.
No, read the thread as this had been covered many times. A lot of NA players went to the open qualifiers for previous events (winter championship) so they get to skip the qualifier for the qualifer, unlike EU/KR were most of the people on the list went through a qualifer to try now.
Simply put, if travel was cheaper and alot more people from EU/KR went to the winter championship we'd see a lot more people in each bracket now at the cost of the size of the NA bracket.
Invite-only qualifier... Not a fan of that one bit. Especially because this puts pressure on players to attend all of their events or they'll be at a disadvantage to someone who has been to all the mlg events.
On April 25 2012 23:00 krayotek wrote: I would watch the MLG if it has a free stream, if not I will kept to ky promise of NO support that stupid PPV format ever.
On April 26 2012 00:52 TBone- wrote: Invite-only qualifier... Not a fan of that one bit. Especially because this puts pressure on players to attend all of their events or they'll be at a disadvantage to someone who has been to all the mlg events.
That's how it works. You get a slight edge at MLG events for having attended previous MLG events.
It's called incentive. If every player had to start at OWR1 every MLG and pool play didn't exist, you'd see a lot of players chose other events more often.
I'm confused by which means he qualfied for the invite but whoooo go MajOr! He's teamless and has been grinding away in korea, he deserves to be flown out to a tournament! Looking at the NA player pool he should have a pretty good chance. ^^
EDIT: I guess it must have been from the open qualifiers? I should pay more attention x.x
I don't ever remember MLG saying the winner of dreamhack stockholm had a seed in the second arena but its a great way to shoe in Thorzain. I don't think Polt would have gotten it if he won dreamhack.
On April 26 2012 01:52 Acidosis wrote: I don't ever remember MLG saying the winner of dreamhack stockholm had a seed in the second arena but its a great way to shoe in Thorzain. I don't think Polt would have gotten it if he won dreamhack.
On April 26 2012 01:52 Acidosis wrote: I don't ever remember MLG saying the winner of dreamhack stockholm had a seed in the second arena but its a great way to shoe in Thorzain. I don't think Polt would have gotten it if he won dreamhack.
On April 26 2012 01:52 Acidosis wrote: I don't ever remember MLG saying the winner of dreamhack stockholm had a seed in the second arena but its a great way to shoe in Thorzain. I don't think Polt would have gotten it if he won dreamhack.
On April 24 2012 08:09 CrugerDK wrote: this format makes no sense what so ever........
you ending up with a huge NA qualifier because of the whole top 80 thing, while leaving out many top EU players..
and why are the top 4 from this arena 1 even in this event?? surely they are already in the championship...
MLG wants the top 4 of their current event in their following event so they can create a fictional rivalry that is
DRG v MKP!!!
BOO YAH!
If MKP makes it to the GSL finals, he won't be at Spring Arena 2.
Also, will the results be posted after the tournament, or not until the broadcast? I guess it could leak...
Tournament results have been spoiled left and right thanks to TL endorsing "live viewing is the norm". I feel that the majority of the community has backed their opinion and encourages everyone to report up to the minute results from tournaments across the globe.
I really like that the players who finished 9th-80th at Cbus get a chance in this, it helps to bring out more competition and show case up and coming players! Good luck to everyone battling it out for their chance at arena 2! :D
On April 25 2012 18:48 LittleAtari wrote: did everyone sign up for NA thinking that they would have an easier time? >.> Barely anyone signed for Europe and Korea D=
On April 25 2012 18:41 R1CH wrote: I thought a lot of the reason for the format change in 2012 was to move away from the system that rewarded people who attended MLG events consistently. I don't feel this system allows for enough rotation of players, especially those from Korea / Europe who can't afford to risk everything in the open bracket. The open qualifier only being a qualifier for the invite only is really rough considering people who attended an MLG pretty much get to the invite only for free.
Honestly, I wish that they at least used the formula that they did for the first winter arena. At least then we would have more participation from korea and europe...
MLG's idea of an regional open qualifier is to eliminate all entrys down to 8 new contestants and then seed and invite everyone who finished 9-88 at the previous event into another large "regional" tournament. Instead of footing your own bill to travel to a MLG Open Championship bracket MLG asks that you clinch top 8 in TWO tournaments, and top 16 in the offline Arena to win a free ticket. Probably going to be quite difficult!!!
On April 24 2012 08:09 CrugerDK wrote: this format makes no sense what so ever........
you ending up with a huge NA qualifier because of the whole top 80 thing, while leaving out many top EU players..
and why are the top 4 from this arena 1 even in this event?? surely they are already in the championship...
MLG wants the top 4 of their current event in their following event so they can create a fictional rivalry that is
DRG v MKP!!!
BOO YAH!
If MKP makes it to the GSL finals, he won't be at Spring Arena 2.
Also, will the results be posted after the tournament, or not until the broadcast? I guess it could leak...
Tournament results have been spoiled left and right thanks to TL endorsing "live viewing is the norm". I feel that the majority of the community has backed their opinion and encourages everyone to report up to the minute results from tournaments across the globe.
On April 25 2012 23:38 Proseat wrote: I feel MLG made the system way more complicated than it had to be. Adding yet more arenas (they even have to number them now) and qualifiers to invite qualifiers to arenas to actual championships -- why? Just to have more content? This could have been achieved with a simpler system which -- as has been said before in this thread -- actually achieves what it was meant to fix: To not see the same exclusive group of players over and over again.
At times it feels like the current MLG format only exists to entertain JP and the NYC studio gang...
And having your squeezed-in extra content purposefully clash with other major events and then trying to cement your status by talking other major tournaments into becoming your qualifier (to another qualifier, no less), doesn't earn you extra brownie points either.
With the current system the top 4 qualify for the next event to preserve a ficitional rivalry that is MKP v DRG.
On April 24 2012 08:09 CrugerDK wrote: this format makes no sense what so ever........
you ending up with a huge NA qualifier because of the whole top 80 thing, while leaving out many top EU players..
and why are the top 4 from this arena 1 even in this event?? surely they are already in the championship...
MLG wants the top 4 of their current event in their following event so they can create a fictional rivalry that is
DRG v MKP!!!
BOO YAH!
If MKP makes it to the GSL finals, he won't be at Spring Arena 2.
Also, will the results be posted after the tournament, or not until the broadcast? I guess it could leak...
Tournament results have been spoiled left and right thanks to TL endorsing "live viewing is the norm". I feel that the majority of the community has backed their opinion and encourages everyone to report up to the minute results from tournaments across the globe.
Which is how it should be.
It really depends on the scheduled broadcast date (and also the importance of the event). If NASL matches get played 6-8 hours before broadcast, I don't want to know the results before the show.
If MLG Spring Arena qualifiers take two weeks to broadcast, I'd rather know in advance who made it and who didn't, because I probably won't care to watch the games anyway.
On April 26 2012 01:52 Acidosis wrote: I don't ever remember MLG saying the winner of dreamhack stockholm had a seed in the second arena but its a great way to shoe in Thorzain. I don't think Polt would have gotten it if he won dreamhack.
Not everything is a conspiracy. Don't bring up conspiracy theories unless you have some actual proof. Especially considering that the Dreamhack - MLG cooperation was big news on every esports news site and every esports talk show in the world.
On April 26 2012 00:27 IOvEggY wrote: NO destiny? how did QXC get on that list I hate how he is riding his past achievements so far(which are not even that great) there are better more active players than him...
Ironically, I think qcx knocked Destiny out of the qualifier.
On April 26 2012 07:51 KalWarkov wrote: so many NA nonames invited... rly? id beat like 10 of them, its pretty sad
Then get your name out there and they will have to invite you! : )
thats not what i wanted to say :D i think some of those players on the NA list simply do not deserve it... i highly doubt some (like 8-10) of them would even get to gm in eu if they tried their best. thats what i mean, there are so many better eu names that are not on the list :/
On April 26 2012 09:32 mTwTT1 wrote: no invite :[, i must be horrible
you had your chance in the NA qualifiers just like everyone else
i ffed my match after i had to wait over 2 hours to play my ro1 match, plus i had my nasl match the following day at the same time as the 2nd phase of the qualifier.. did everyone on that list qualify from the open qualifier o.O?
On April 26 2012 09:32 mTwTT1 wrote: no invite :[, i must be horrible
you had your chance in the NA qualifiers just like everyone else
i ffed my match after i had to wait over 2 hours to play my ro1 match, plus i had my nasl match the following day at the same time as the 2nd phase of the qualifier.. did everyone on that list qualify from the open qualifier o.O?
If you finished 9-80 at MLG you were invited to this qualifier
On April 26 2012 00:27 IOvEggY wrote: NO destiny? how did QXC get on that list I hate how he is riding his past achievements so far(which are not even that great) there are better more active players than him...
wait first you say no destiny and then say qxc gets in off his past achievements which aren't that great? Umm what the hell has destiny ever done to be invited over qxc? NOTHING. And being the only foreigner to all kill a korean sc2 team is pretty damn great.
And on top of this, qxc got in through the qualifier, not an invite! qxc didn't go to the Winter championships like Destiny who could have earned his spot there (but didnt as he didnt finsh top 80 lawl).
On April 26 2012 00:27 IOvEggY wrote: NO destiny? how did QXC get on that list I hate how he is riding his past achievements so far(which are not even that great) there are better more active players than him...
wait first you say no destiny and then say qxc gets in off his past achievements which aren't that great? Umm what the hell has destiny ever done to be invited over qxc? NOTHING. And being the only foreigner to all kill a korean sc2 team is pretty damn great.
And on top of this, qxc got in through the qualifier, not an invite! qxc didn't go to the Winter championships like Destiny who could have earned his spot there (but didnt as he didnt finsh top 80 lawl).
you may have made the worst post ever.
Destiny has had really good results lately actually. Off the top of my head look up the lone star clash. and look up his rivalry vs dragon. Dragon is no push over look at his acount ranks on all servers
also in team leagues hes pulled out some nice wins
On April 26 2012 00:27 IOvEggY wrote: NO destiny? how did QXC get on that list I hate how he is riding his past achievements so far(which are not even that great) there are better more active players than him...
wait first you say no destiny and then say qxc gets in off his past achievements which aren't that great? Umm what the hell has destiny ever done to be invited over qxc? NOTHING. And being the only foreigner to all kill a korean sc2 team is pretty damn great.
And on top of this, qxc got in through the qualifier, not an invite! qxc didn't go to the Winter championships like Destiny who could have earned his spot there (but didnt as he didnt finsh top 80 lawl).
you may have made the worst post ever.
Destiny has had really good results lately actually. Off the top of my head look up the lone star clash. and look up his rivalry vs dragon. Dragon is no push over look at his acount ranks on all servers
also in team leagues hes pulled out some nice wins
Look at Dragon's TLPD. It's not impressive to beat Dragon at this point in time.
On April 26 2012 00:27 IOvEggY wrote: NO destiny? how did QXC get on that list I hate how he is riding his past achievements so far(which are not even that great) there are better more active players than him...
wait first you say no destiny and then say qxc gets in off his past achievements which aren't that great? Umm what the hell has destiny ever done to be invited over qxc? NOTHING. And being the only foreigner to all kill a korean sc2 team is pretty damn great.
And on top of this, qxc got in through the qualifier, not an invite! qxc didn't go to the Winter championships like Destiny who could have earned his spot there (but didnt as he didnt finsh top 80 lawl).
you may have made the worst post ever.
Destiny has had really good results lately actually. Off the top of my head look up the lone star clash. and look up his rivalry vs dragon. Dragon is no push over look at his acount ranks on all servers
also in team leagues hes pulled out some nice wins
Look at Dragon's TLPD. It's not impressive to beat Dragon at this point in time.
Either people on here can't read or are just too damn dumb to check things before they post. Seriously, all of the things you guys are asking, like, "why isn't this guy here" and "him over him wtf," can all be answered if you took a few minutes to check things in the first post and on liquipedia.
On April 26 2012 17:52 nt-rAven wrote: I dont see Slush on NA? really? wtf is with that hes been top 10 gm since gm has started on na... and has performed at mlg.... wtf?
If you look at that, you'll see that Slush didn't make the top 8 in the NA qualifier.
On April 26 2012 00:27 IOvEggY wrote: NO destiny? how did QXC get on that list I hate how he is riding his past achievements so far(which are not even that great) there are better more active players than him...
qxc beat Destiny and then Destiny lost again in the losers bracket not making the top 8 in the NA Open Online Qualifier.
On April 26 2012 07:51 KalWarkov wrote: so many NA nonames invited... rly? id beat like 10 of them, its pretty sad
Then get your name out there and they will have to invite you! : )
thats not what i wanted to say :D i think some of those players on the NA list simply do not deserve it... i highly doubt some (like 8-10) of them would even get to gm in eu if they tried their best. thats what i mean, there are so many better eu names that are not on the list :/
Saying that they don't deserve it is just plain wrong. Most of them paid and traveled to the MLG Winter Championship, played a good number of games in the long and arduous open bracket and placed in the top 80. Saying that they don't deserve it isn't right. If those players from EU wanted, they could have went to the tournament, but they didn't. Then again, they could have also attempted to qualify for this through the open online qualifiers like the other 8 that made it out of the EU open online qualifier.
On April 26 2012 03:51 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: how come nani is NA?
For goodness sake... No one on this list was forced to play in any regional qualifier; they picked which one they wanted to play in themselves.
On April 29 2012 06:51 opterown wrote: i don't think it's completellyyy finished yet. it shouldn't be tooo hard either to grab results from match histories too
It is completely finished and the results are leaked right on MLG's site. The first round results are obvious to find and extrapolating the obvious url pattern you can see the results of the whole bracket (winner and loser). I don't think we are allowed to post it here so I won't.
EDIT: Actually it seems a small part of the loser's bracket is still being played out.
Does anyone know how they determine who qualifies in the ninth EU spot? At the moment, I don't understand how you'd do this. Same for 9 and 10 from Korea.
I'm glad to see Seiplo play! He is still young and is not yet 100% in starcraft 2 (still in school i think) but he have already defeted some teir 1 players at one event...i think he beat huk 2-0 and won aginst Genius! he have also beaten kas at one tournament! I can see him beeing the new star from sweden! Hope he goes all in after he is done with school!
On April 29 2012 08:10 StarVe wrote: Does anyone know how they determine who qualifies in the ninth EU spot? At the moment, I don't understand how you'd do this. Same for 9 and 10 from Korea.
The 4 guys in the losers bracket 2nd round had a mini play-off I think.
The question is, if everyone has enough money to travel to New York (its around 1500$ from EU). Maybe another 40% will not attend and we will see again only players from the big teams.
On April 29 2012 16:58 Atrimex wrote: The question is, if everyone has enough money to travel to New York (its around 1500$ from EU). Maybe another 40% will not attend and we will see again only players from the big teams.
MLG pays for all the trips for the qualified players to the arena. 32 paid hotels/flights.
On April 29 2012 21:36 jnsjr wrote: How far does a player have to go through the NA qualifier to get into the top 8? I always get confused on how they calculate it. Thanks!
The player needs to win WR4 or LR6 to get top 8. Players continue to play through the bracket for seeding though.
On May 03 2012 09:40 HamachiGO wrote: not invite lucifron ? WTF-_-;
They're all qualifiers, bro. Not their fault if he didn't qualify.
? he talks about invites to the qualifiers :D
No, you qualify for the invite-only qualifier, either through the open, or through the open bracket at MLG. The name "Invite-Only" is a misnomer, all the "invites" were chosen on merit and results
Damn.. The actual breakdown of the 32 spots of arena 2 and by that also most likely the main spring event will be around ; Kr: 20/21 EU: 10 NA: 1/2 that makes me pretty sad tbh.. if i want to watch so much koreans i will just take a membership of the gsl, imo koreans should not be allowed to play in the european or american qualifiers
All three Slayers members qualified (MMA, Ryung and Alicia). And two former Slayers member also made it, Sleep (NA qualifier), and Ganzi (seeded from Arena 1). Maybe I'll actually do the ppv with those guys to root for.
TSL doing well in qualifiers. Polt, Symbol and Inori, the best three players of their race on the team all qualified. Polt gets to go to New York after all.
On April 24 2012 08:00 Otolia wrote: Guys, read the topic, read Liquipedia and stop ranting mindlessly about a system you don't know.
Which part?
The part where you comply about the low EU turnout when unusual players have qualified from the Open Online Qualifiers, the rest of the invited players for the Invite Only are people who were at the championship. The qualified players deserve a shot because they won, we have to stop seeing the same players over and over again. I want to see Fraer, Tefel and other newcomers instead of the rotting Strelok (though very nice) or any of the copycat Empire Terrans.
Id est : System working as intended.
I agree that roof, Seiplo & Fraer deserves a chance to show just how good they are, but this system is pretty conservative, I would say. You have 8 qualifiers from an open qualifier, and then you have the 'good ol' boys' of past participators of MLGs (in other words, the people who won the winter qualifier have a massive advantage over the spring qualifiers).
I see no reason not to include more people in the current qualifier, preferably in a system less random than this. Single-bracket systems are pretty terrible at ranking players by ability. The importance of a good draw and the variance of single bo3s make for a somewhat random outcome.
That's another complain and I agree with you, even though the qualifiers were double elim. I'm an advocate of completely open qualifiers based tournaments.
However people were complaining about the line up for EU because they didn't bother to inform themselves. That's not acceptable.
I think this would be insane. I would be like forcing Federer to play the Wimbledon qualifier. When you've reached a certain level you've earned the right not to waste tons of time playing random scrubs. It wouldn't be sustainable and people would not be interested in watching those matches.
Note the lack of players like MC, HuK, aLive, SaSe, PuMa, Mvp, Sheth, MorroW, Nestea and PartinG, who failed to make it through I wanted to see Maru and choya too
I guess we get to see whether SC2-viewers actually care whether their country is represented in the tournament or not (well, sans 1 very popular participant).
Note the lack of players like MC, HuK, aLive, SaSe, PuMa, Mvp, Sheth, MorroW, Nestea and PartinG, who failed to make it through I wanted to see Maru and choya too
Where's roof on the list? He also made it but I can't find him.
True that
You are both mixing things up.. He won the open online qualifier to get into the invite only online qualifier.. in here we are talking about those qualifiers, and he didnt get through this qualifiers which lead into arena 2
Where's roof on the list? He also made it but I can't find him.
True that
You are both mixing things up.. He won the open online qualifier to get into the invite only online qualifier.. in here we are talking about those qualifiers, and he didnt get through this qualifiers which lead into arena 2
Yes, he did. The exact results were already leaked.
On May 04 2012 23:11 archonOOid wrote: Boring and short list of EU players except for a few top guns. I hope that the next qualifier from the EU is open and a lot bigger.
There was an open EU qualifier to qualify for this invite online qualifier. Yes, it's that stupid.
Most of the top EU players didn't even know about it or didn't care.
On May 04 2012 23:11 archonOOid wrote: Boring and short list of EU players except for a few top guns. I hope that the next qualifier from the EU is open and a lot bigger.
There was an open EU qualifier to qualify for this invite online qualifier. Yes, it's that stupid.
Most of the top EU players didn't even know about it or didn't care.
Here is an example list of EU players, that tried to qualify through the open qualifier but failed:
Note the lack of players like MC, HuK, aLive, SaSe, PuMa, Mvp, Sheth, MorroW, Nestea and PartinG, who failed to make it through I wanted to see Maru and choya too
Now tell me again that the top EU players did not care about the open qualifiers.
That's a pretty shocking list.
That's what happens when you only allow eight new faces each season. Last season's EU players that qualified for a free ride: Haypro, Grubby, SaSe, Naniwa, Demuslim, Ret and Socke.
Now tell me again that the top EU players did not care about the open qualifiers.
That's a pretty shocking list.
That's what happens when you only allow eight new faces each season. Last season's EU players that qualified for a free ride: Haypro, Grubby, SaSe, Naniwa, Demuslim, Ret and Socke.
This is not true, the EU players that made it through the qualifiers of the Winter Season were merz, Sjow, Grubby, Socke, Pomi, ThorZaIN, Ret and viOLet.
also I am sad that Nestea didnt make it but going up against MMA in first round is just stupid. i guess the games were close, otherwise mma would not have said he was scared of nestea @ironsquid.
maybe next time the seeding will not be done by former placement but by overall success. then matches like this would not ruin the whole competition.
Overall success in MLG only or other events as well? If you want to count other events, it is almost impossible. Who is ahead if GSL semi finalist vs Assembly winner? Sure, you can say Nestea shouldn't be playing MMA I n the first round but it would be impossible to rank players for overall success.
Plus it is double elim so the brackets even out somewhat.
On May 09 2012 06:13 vthree wrote: Overall success in MLG only or other events as well? If you want to count other events, it is almost impossible. Who is ahead if GSL semi finalist vs Assembly winner? Sure, you can say Nestea shouldn't be playing MMA I n the first round but it would be impossible to rank players for overall success.
Plus it is double elim so the brackets even out somewhat.
you can for example say tlpd ranking. or any other "power ranking" ... there are SO many ways that would be better than what MLG did. in this example, even an MLG 2012 ranking would have prevented nestea vs mma happenning in first round, as nestea destroyed the last mlg qualifier.
On May 09 2012 07:57 BathTubNZ wrote: So the Justin.TV page says Totalbiscuit and Apollo are casting the next Spring Arena, was that actually announced anywhere?
On May 09 2012 08:25 Gorlin wrote: Have they actually posted the brackets yet?
Doesn't look like it. And that "leaked" qualified players list has 95 players listed, so clearly it's not the actual list for Spring Arena 2.
It was a smaller list of just the qualifiers before, but they have since edited it. Judging by the Koreans that are playing for spots today, that list was most likely legit.
On May 09 2012 09:09 mordk wrote: MMA just can't defeat Polt
MMA has lost two matches to Polt (ST finals 0-4 and August code S 1-2). Since then, they each beat each other once during the Blizzard cup group stage, and MMA 2-1'd Polt a month ago at IPL4.
On May 09 2012 09:01 FuzzyJAM wrote: MMA tearing Polt apart here. :D
You were saying:D?
No one tears Polt apart:D
Well he was, and then MMA messed up. :[
Needs to get Stim. . .
He didnt mess up Polt just outsmarted him with a drop that killed his techlab that was researching stim.
Polt sniped stim 3 times. Yes we understand that's why he won. Wouldn't really say outsmarted though, MMA had a position set up, just couldnt get his marines there without stim... irony.
On May 09 2012 09:01 FuzzyJAM wrote: MMA tearing Polt apart here. :D
You were saying:D?
No one tears Polt apart:D
Well he was, and then MMA messed up. :[
Needs to get Stim. . .
He didnt mess up Polt just outsmarted him with a drop that killed his techlab that was researching stim.
Nah it was a messup, he hesitated too much in defending that drop. He considered intercepting the drop before it happened, but then decided to go to his base with the marines instead of engaging the medivaces at the third. You could clearly see the marines go back and forth at that spot as if he was deciding what to do. A bit earlier on defense, with no hesitation, he would have been fine.
On May 09 2012 09:01 FuzzyJAM wrote: MMA tearing Polt apart here. :D
You were saying:D?
No one tears Polt apart:D
Well he was, and then MMA messed up. :[
Needs to get Stim. . .
He didnt mess up Polt just outsmarted him with a drop that killed his techlab that was researching stim.
Dropping in the main when you're contained is Terran 101.
MMA messed up with his contain - you shouldn't do zero damage if you're ahead in army, your opponent has sent the best part of his force away, you have a cloaked Banshe, two sieged Tanks and about equal marines. He lost virtually that entire push for nothing because he didn't multitask properly when it should have given him a commanding move.
The drop was always going to be hard to deal with, but it should have been mitigated by MMA's push, not compounded by it.
High level play is usually decided by 1 major mistake. Losing that double drop cost Polt the game, especially since he was ahead in tech and about to be ahead in expansions.
Glad to see Slayers doing well and getting good representation at the Arena.
Can someone explain the decision making by Polt in that last game? He starts his third command center before MMA and still sends 2 full medivacs into MMA's base. Why not try and secure it when he sees that he is soon up one expansion?
On May 09 2012 09:40 tikipon wrote: Can someone explain the decision making by Polt in that last game? He starts his third command center before MMA and still sends 2 full medivacs into MMA's base. Why not try and secure it when he sees that he is soon up one expansion?
What better way to defend an expansion than by forcing your opponent to worry about dealing with a drop. Especially if you watch the drop and don't lose the medivacs.
On May 09 2012 09:40 tikipon wrote: Can someone explain the decision making by Polt in that last game? He starts his third command center before MMA and still sends 2 full medivacs into MMA's base. Why not try and secure it when he sees that he is soon up one expansion?
What better way to defend an expansion than by forcing your opponent to worry about dealing with a drop. Especially if you watch the drop and don't lose the medivacs.
Yea, don't know if MMA saw the dropships or he just assumed there would be a drop, but not watching the drop is really bad at their level, especially with not that much going on at that time. However, if MMA would have been walking to his base when he is dropping, Polt loses anyway :/
On May 09 2012 10:00 Shellshock1122 wrote: Is there a bracket somewhere? I don't see one being updated on liquipedia. Sorry if it's already been asked/linked.
No brackets as far as I can tell. MLG isn't that great at hyping their online content.
On May 09 2012 09:59 FuzzyJAM wrote: Isn't 10pool potentially the best econ build as well as being obviously fairly good against cheese?
I don't know anything about ZvZ, but I'm sure I remember reading that somewhere.
not the best econ build but 10 pool is the hardcounter to hatchfirst and at the same time very good against earlier pools and only little behind against 14/14.
On May 09 2012 10:30 Walnuts wrote: So who is left in the qualifier?
And what do you have to ge to advance?
I think KR Qualifiers gets 10 spots. So everyone who makes the winner semis, loser semis + 2 out of 4 players who lose in the loser qtrs.
And I think the reason MKP is not attending is because he wants to focus on Code A to ensure he gets straight to Code S and doesn't have to go to up and downs. He probably felt that Arena #1 affected his performance in Code S. And I think he is already seeded into the Championships already.
On May 09 2012 10:39 ILuMiNaTe wrote: so mvp wasn't in this according to the article on mlg...
The GSL finals are on the 19th. This Arena #2 is held on the 18th.
I'm surprised Parting tried to qualify. I guess either he's not afraid of jet lag, or he's not confident against MVP. I doubt it's the latter, so I'm guessing the former.
Edit: Just read that this Arena is from the 18th to the 20th. In that case, it's pretty much impossible to play in both.
On May 09 2012 10:39 ILuMiNaTe wrote: so mvp wasn't in this according to the article on mlg...
MVP was qualified for this event. But I am not sure whether he played or just forfeited since the full brackets aren't out yet. I think he is starting to under go treatment for his wrists. He said in his interview that he would probably skip foreign tournaments for now (unless his team really needed him to go). And since this is online event only with lower viewers, team probably wasn't pushing him to go.
On May 09 2012 10:39 ILuMiNaTe wrote: so mvp wasn't in this according to the article on mlg...
MVP was qualified for this event. But I am not sure whether he played or just forfeited since the full brackets aren't out yet. I think he is starting to under go treatment for his wrists. He said in his interview that he would probably skip foreign tournaments for now (unless his team really needed him to go). And since this is online event only with lower viewers, team probably wasn't pushing him to go.
Again, rather strange that Parting wanted to qualify. I guess it's his backup plan in case he loses to MVP. Too bad he didn't either way (I'm assuming he played in this).
On May 09 2012 10:30 Walnuts wrote: So who is left in the qualifier?
And what do you have to ge to advance?
I think KR Qualifiers gets 10 spots. So everyone who makes the winner semis, loser semis + 2 out of 4 players who lose in the loser qtrs.
And I think the reason MKP is not attending is because he wants to focus on Code A to ensure he gets straight to Code S and doesn't have to go to up and downs. He probably felt that Arena #1 affected his performance in Code S. And I think he is already seeded into the Championships already.
MKP's code A match is before spring arena 2 though.
On May 09 2012 10:39 ILuMiNaTe wrote: so mvp wasn't in this according to the article on mlg...
The GSL finals are on the 19th. This Arena #2 is held on the 18th.
I'm surprised Parting tried to qualify. I guess either he's not afraid of jet lag, or he's not confident against MVP. I doubt it's the latter, so I'm guessing the former.
Edit: Just read that this Arena is from the 18th to the 20th. In that case, it's pretty much impossible to play in both.
Yes, it is not possible for GSL finalist to go. It is likely Parting already informed MLG that if he did qualify AND also make GSL finals, he would not go to Arena. And since he would know by this Thursday, they would have enough time to informed his replacement player.
For MVP, he didn't plan on going regardless of whether he made S finals (due to his treatment) so he just forfeited so he doesn't take up a spot.
On May 09 2012 10:39 ILuMiNaTe wrote: so mvp wasn't in this according to the article on mlg...
The GSL finals are on the 19th. This Arena #2 is held on the 18th.
I'm surprised Parting tried to qualify. I guess either he's not afraid of jet lag, or he's not confident against MVP. I doubt it's the latter, so I'm guessing the former.
Edit: Just read that this Arena is from the 18th to the 20th. In that case, it's pretty much impossible to play in both.
On May 09 2012 12:57 Fionn wrote: I really wish MLG actually, you know, published the whole bracket. Would be to nice to know who beat who in the earlier rounds.
EPT
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