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MLG_Adam
Profile Joined July 2010
United States994 Posts
April 21 2012 23:57 GMT
#1201
On April 22 2012 08:55 SinTio wrote:
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On April 22 2012 08:50 MLG_Adam wrote:
The best part about this format is nothing is decided yet aside from 2 things:

MKP is in the bracket and Huk is out. Down to the last few matches and everything is on the line


And we only needed (nearly) two days to get to the interesting matches...



As a fan I've been interested the whole time.
Twitter: MrAdamAp
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
April 21 2012 23:57 GMT
#1202
On April 22 2012 08:46 Zerothegreat wrote:
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On April 22 2012 08:43 SiroKO wrote:
On April 22 2012 08:40 Zerothegreat wrote:
On April 22 2012 08:38 SiroKO wrote:
On April 22 2012 08:36 Zerothegreat wrote:
On April 22 2012 08:35 SiroKO wrote:
can't believe we had 1 year of zerg whining about a so called deathball which in fact doesn't stand a chance agaist well microed bl/infestors.



You mean stood a chance against very bad vortexes? And only 2 archons?? =/


Had the zerg either researched neural or learn how to not clump broodlords game would have end the game 10 minutes before, thanks for the reminder.


Microing broods is like trying to micro hydra.... And spreading them out too much makes them easier to be picked off by remaining stalkers for w/e the vortex doesn't get. Too much QQ


Just an observation of a glaring balance flaw.
Zerg is supposed to be ahead in the number of bases because of low cost-efficiency, however broodlords/infestors is the most cost-efficient unit combinaison of the game, only challenged by storm/colossi against bioball in PvT.



If you really want to see balance problems watch Leenock vs HeRo from Ro16 series.... Protoss late game is extremely hard to beat when played correctly. Zerg has to play perfect and even then it's very hard.


Both HerO v Leenock from Code S and Parting v Violet here had play that would be laughed at when this game gets more figured out.

Wings of Liberty is still so young, so unexplored in late game and lacks so much refinement. Claiming racial imbalance in super late game is so silly because there is not enough data on it and because we see new developments whenever a matchup has so far found a stable way to transition there.

At some point this game needs to be figured out. It will probably not be in Wings of Liberty, because any projected release date for Heart of the Swarm will certainly come way before this point. But all the same, at some point we just have to sit back and look at the game develop over a long period of time. Both spectators and professionals like to point out whatever they think to be evidence of imbalance, but even if a game was balanced perfectly, we will go through long periods of things feeling imbalanced because a race had something figured out while the other did not.

Of course it is always going to be a fear that we will never reach that stage. I hope Blizzard will have the integrity and confidence to leave things alone at some point; the whining will be immense but the alternative is that we just remain in a flux where skill and development takes a back seat to micro managing racial win percentages through nerfs and buffs.
Zerothegreat
Profile Joined September 2010
United States787 Posts
April 21 2012 23:57 GMT
#1203
On April 22 2012 08:53 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 08:47 Zerothegreat wrote:
On April 22 2012 08:46 power-overwhelming wrote:
On April 22 2012 08:43 SiroKO wrote:
On April 22 2012 08:40 Zerothegreat wrote:
On April 22 2012 08:38 SiroKO wrote:
On April 22 2012 08:36 Zerothegreat wrote:
On April 22 2012 08:35 SiroKO wrote:
can't believe we had 1 year of zerg whining about a so called deathball which in fact doesn't stand a chance agaist well microed bl/infestors.



You mean stood a chance against very bad vortexes? And only 2 archons?? =/


Had the zerg either researched neural or learn how to not clump broodlords game would have end the game 10 minutes before, thanks for the reminder.


Microing broods is like trying to micro hydra.... And spreading them out too much makes them easier to be picked off by remaining stalkers for w/e the vortex doesn't get. Too much QQ


Just an observation of a glaring balance flaw.
Zerg is supposed to be ahead in the number of bases because of low cost-efficiency, however broodlords/infestors is the most cost-efficient unit combinaison of the game, only challenged by storm/colossi against bioball in PvT.




Zergs are just bad at micro. They're so used to throwing away lings that they think it's okay for broodlords to be left unmicro'd.



Yeah, every Zerg in the world just doesn't micro... /sarcasm

Racial hatred isn't proof. Protoss has 75%+ win rate vs Zerg in GSL. I guess it's cause every Zerg just refuses to micro?


When the theory was that all of the code S protoss are bad than that theory panned out by most of them falling out of code S and new protoss taking there place.


Umm, no idea what you are trying to say? ...
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
April 21 2012 23:57 GMT
#1204
fucking Shakuras -_-
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
below66
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1761 Posts
April 21 2012 23:58 GMT
#1205
ganzi is everywhere, being annoying as hell.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 21 2012 23:59 GMT
#1206
Haha I understand why my Z friend says he finds Shakuras horrible for ZvT :D
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
April 21 2012 23:59 GMT
#1207
On April 22 2012 07:57 Azarkon wrote:
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On April 22 2012 07:51 lulutheking wrote:
One none Korean and he's getting own... The gap is huge, seems like only Stephano and Naniwa have the level to compete with Koreans, all other foreigners are really far from the average Korean


Average Koreans? Haha.

Naniwa has a shot - his PvP >= MC and Parting, his PvT is good enough to take down Ganzi and Heart, but not MKP. He loses to DRG and Violet, though.

Stephano, no, because this line-up is Terran heavy and Stephano's ZvT isn't at this caliber.


Stephano´s ZvT definately is at this caliber. I mean, Polt is not bad, is he?
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
thepuppyassassin
Profile Joined April 2011
900 Posts
April 21 2012 23:59 GMT
#1208
On April 22 2012 08:58 below66 wrote:
ganzi is everywhere, being annoying as hell.


agreed.. annoying being the key word... only mma can be terrifying with this type of play.
Seohce
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom394 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-22 00:00:05
April 21 2012 23:59 GMT
#1209
On April 22 2012 08:57 MLG_Adam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 08:55 SinTio wrote:
On April 22 2012 08:50 MLG_Adam wrote:
The best part about this format is nothing is decided yet aside from 2 things:

MKP is in the bracket and Huk is out. Down to the last few matches and everything is on the line


And we only needed (nearly) two days to get to the interesting matches...


As a fan I've been interested the whole time.


What are you talking about? I think most people would agree that the games have been interesting from the get go.
Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
April 22 2012 00:01 GMT
#1210
GG. wp by ganzi there
Chrian
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1472 Posts
April 22 2012 00:01 GMT
#1211
God shakuras is such a bullshit map hahahaha
MLG_Adam
Profile Joined July 2010
United States994 Posts
April 22 2012 00:01 GMT
#1212
On April 22 2012 08:59 Seohce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 08:57 MLG_Adam wrote:
On April 22 2012 08:55 SinTio wrote:
On April 22 2012 08:50 MLG_Adam wrote:
The best part about this format is nothing is decided yet aside from 2 things:

MKP is in the bracket and Huk is out. Down to the last few matches and everything is on the line


And we only needed (nearly) two days to get to the interesting matches...


As a fan I've been interested the whole time.


What are you talking about? I think most people would agree that the games have been interesting from the get go.



Awesome
Twitter: MrAdamAp
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
April 22 2012 00:01 GMT
#1213
Nice play by Ganzi, why is this map still being used tho
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 22 2012 00:01 GMT
#1214
Very good play from Ganzi.
below66
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1761 Posts
April 22 2012 00:01 GMT
#1215
On April 22 2012 08:59 thepuppyassassin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 08:58 below66 wrote:
ganzi is everywhere, being annoying as hell.


agreed.. annoying being the key word... only mma can be terrifying with this type of play.


Looks like Ganzi pulled it off nicely.
Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
April 22 2012 00:01 GMT
#1216
Those high ground spots are like permanent forcefields for a race with Siege Tanks.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
April 22 2012 00:01 GMT
#1217
On April 22 2012 08:57 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
fucking Shakuras -_-


Similar sentiments. This is such a ridiculous map for TvZ and TvP.
speknek
Profile Joined February 2012
758 Posts
April 22 2012 00:01 GMT
#1218
that was amazing by ganzi
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
April 22 2012 00:01 GMT
#1219
Can't believe Ganzi had the balls to load all that stuff up
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 22 2012 00:02 GMT
#1220
Ganzi is so good, It's a shame he's going to the military next year.
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