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Please have some respect for the players, teams, and tournament.
Criticism is fine, criticism without anything to back it up isn't so cool.
Thanks!
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 25 2012 02:39 GMT
#8741
On March 25 2012 11:37 SeungHwan wrote:
A bit surprised that socke knocked out puma but puma hasn't been the same since NASL season 1.


He did win NASL 2, get 2nd at Dreamhack, and 3rd at Assembly and IEM World Championship.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
brentsen
Profile Joined November 2010
1252 Posts
March 25 2012 02:39 GMT
#8742
On March 25 2012 11:37 IMNasty wrote:
so...huk has the easiest path to a top 8, while polt MC oz naniwa all fight for 1 spot

TheStC or whoever defeats him is still not easy.
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
March 25 2012 02:39 GMT
#8743
On March 25 2012 11:35 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 11:33 KalWarkov wrote:
satisfied with Socke and HasuObs performance, kind of sad stephano didnt show his true power but its hard from the open bracket anyway - should lose to inori though in his best MU. kind of wanna see that games.

Demuslim couldve won against haypro and id be fine with how this MLG went - oh, besides LuK again having as much of it as humanly possible.


Yeah can you believe how lucky Huk gets? He deserved to get banned from progaming for being so lucky.

/sarcasm off

The Huk hate is astounding really, even Deezer doesn't get this much hate.


HuK played well but he did have an easy group, even the people that came from open bracket were easier than most

It's not really hating, even EG players like IdrA and iNcontroL joke or make comments about HuK being lucky with his brackets/groups.
you live and you learn
murtas
Profile Joined December 2010
Portugal249 Posts
March 25 2012 02:39 GMT
#8744
I never played WC3 and didnt follow it, but Grubby doesnt seem to have the overall mechanics and multitask to dominate a game such as SC2.

Specially when koreans are on field.

KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
March 25 2012 02:41 GMT
#8745
On March 25 2012 11:37 IMNasty wrote:
so...huk has the easiest path to a top 8, while polt MC oz naniwa all fight for 1 spot


HuK always has the easiest path in any competition he enters. i dont know why, but its simply a fact in the last 6 months :D
not saying hes not good or so, but his results are probably a bit higher than they should - he didnt impress me too much in the last gmaes tbh. too much 6-8 gate allins, too many dts, just nothing solid and spectecular. but he has those timings down to the second!

still one of the best foreigners obv.
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
March 25 2012 02:41 GMT
#8746
again, I meant not disrespect to Grubby, I know that he makes his living through sponsors because he is such an articulate and likable individual. But his career as a player is not going anywhere if he is not willing to make the necessary sacrifices just like all the Korean players and top foreigners (Naniwa, Huk) and fans can only really watch their idols under-performing and fall so many times before they decided to stop caring about them, and then Grubby will (most likely) loses his sponsors. I think with his game knowledge he should transition into being a caster/commentator it really suits him better and it allows him to take care of his wife & family.
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
March 25 2012 02:41 GMT
#8747
On March 25 2012 11:39 murtas wrote:
I never played WC3 and didnt follow it, but Grubby doesnt seem to have the overall mechanics and multitask to dominate a game such as SC2.

Specially when koreans are on field.



You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

User was warned for this post
Moriarty
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom286 Posts
March 25 2012 02:42 GMT
#8748
Is there any way for a peasant like me to watch the MKP v Thorzain games without a pass?
Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
March 25 2012 02:42 GMT
#8749
On March 25 2012 11:36 Andaya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 11:32 Asymmetric wrote:
On March 25 2012 11:18 MCDayC wrote:
On March 25 2012 11:18 Asymmetric wrote:
On March 25 2012 11:13 ref4 wrote:
I meant no disrespect, but why is Grubby performing so poorly in SC2? I am comparing him to Naniwa both of whom switched from WC3 and both play Protosses. Naniwa have done impossible upsets and came close to taking out the most fearsome Koreans. Grubby just.....iono although he did take out Violet so that was good for him!


Different games, different metas, different times. Grubbys still learning. Give him time.

You'll see the same seemingly odd variance results when brood war pros switch over. Some of them will take to it like a fish out of water and perform amazingly and some of them will be a shadow of there former selves.

He's had MORE than enough time, that's not a valid excuse at all.
Also, "different metas"... ??


What exactly are you expecting from him. He was competing against several top tier Koreans who've all been playing the game longer than he has. Different players can skill take different periods of time to peak than others.

"different metas" simply refers to that present state of Sc2 requiring different skill sets than WC3. It's entirely possible that if the meta shifted sufficently so that the average game length/micro became more like warcraft 3's, presumably from an expansion, then it may improve grubbys chances. Not that im saying that is likely to happen.

I think people just think his play is sub par. No one is saying he has to be the best in the world but his
Play against select was pretty sloppy. Storms that required a relatively low level of skill (compared to the skill required to counter) were the only thing that kept him in it.


No arguement there.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
March 25 2012 02:43 GMT
#8750
On March 25 2012 11:35 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 11:33 KalWarkov wrote:
satisfied with Socke and HasuObs performance, kind of sad stephano didnt show his true power but its hard from the open bracket anyway - should lose to inori though in his best MU. kind of wanna see that games.

Demuslim couldve won against haypro and id be fine with how this MLG went - oh, besides LuK again having as much of it as humanly possible.


Yeah can you believe how lucky Huk gets? He deserved to get banned from progaming for being so lucky.

/sarcasm off

The Huk hate is astounding really, even Deezer doesn't get this much hate.

Really, since when does pointing out that he gets incredibly lucky with brackets (Which he does!) equal hate? I haven't been the biggest HuK fan lately, but I certainly don't hate him either. You can't really deny he has earned the nickname LuK the last 2-3 foreign tournaments I've seen him at he has had by far the easiest group/bracket.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Andaya
Profile Joined April 2011
United States33 Posts
March 25 2012 02:43 GMT
#8751
On March 25 2012 11:41 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 11:37 IMNasty wrote:
so...huk has the easiest path to a top 8, while polt MC oz naniwa all fight for 1 spot


HuK always has the easiest path in any competition he enters. i dont know why, but its simply a fact in the last 6 months :D
not saying hes not good or so, but his results are probably a bit higher than they should - he didnt impress me too much in the last gmaes tbh. too much 6-8 gate allins, too many dts, just nothing solid and spectecular. but he has those timings down to the second!

still one of the best foreigners obv.

I think this is why he gets a little of the hate. People don't like his play style. A win is a win but it doesn't necessarily win you fans.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
March 25 2012 02:44 GMT
#8752
On March 25 2012 11:41 Serinox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 11:39 murtas wrote:
I never played WC3 and didnt follow it, but Grubby doesnt seem to have the overall mechanics and multitask to dominate a game such as SC2.

Specially when koreans are on field.



You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.


I have never watched Grubby stream but what he said may be true. I had followed WC3 scene for quite long time and I know how good Grubby micro is but SC2 requires much more mechanic skill than WC3 because it has macro and much faster.
murtas
Profile Joined December 2010
Portugal249 Posts
March 25 2012 02:44 GMT
#8753
On March 25 2012 11:41 Serinox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 11:39 murtas wrote:
I never played WC3 and didnt follow it, but Grubby doesnt seem to have the overall mechanics and multitask to dominate a game such as SC2.

Specially when koreans are on field.



You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.


I may have no idea, but have seen Grubby play many times already and he always lose units for not looking, react on time.
Falls behind on macro and so on.

Offcourse he is improving a bit from month to month. But reaction time is a skill that transition from any game, and he lacks it.
TeTrodoToxIn
Profile Joined November 2011
United States18 Posts
March 25 2012 02:47 GMT
#8754
For some reason I think Oz is going to take this tournament, he's going to take one eventually and from the games I've seen he is playing very strong this weekend.

I was hoping for IdrA and NonY to go farther in this tournament as well. That second game against Polt was just terrible luck for IdrA. That was probably the worst time for Polt to pause for him. If Polt's lag was that terrible I can see why he would pause, just that was an awkward place for both players in terms of when to pause.
gosu86
Profile Joined June 2011
208 Posts
March 25 2012 02:47 GMT
#8755
i see matches on first page but arena is so empty will they be airing any more matches?
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13407 Posts
March 25 2012 02:48 GMT
#8756
On March 25 2012 11:47 gosu86 wrote:
i see matches on first page but arena is so empty will they be airing any more matches?


Over until tomorrow, spl Khan vs KT starts in 13 minutes though. Its BW but Im sure you will like/ enjoy it give it a try
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 25 2012 02:50 GMT
#8757
I think HuK's luck in getting easy groups in foreign tournaments is balanced by his bad luck in code S and up/down matches. Last year in the GSL he always seemed to hit the eventual code S winner or runner-up in early rounds and was out earlier than he probably deserved.

Karmic balance.
Thereisnosaurus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1822 Posts
March 25 2012 02:51 GMT
#8758
is there going to be an overnight rerun?
Poisonous Sheep counter Hydras
Desiato
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada185 Posts
March 25 2012 02:52 GMT
#8759
On March 25 2012 11:51 Thereisnosaurus wrote:
is there going to be an overnight rerun?

You can just click backwards on the stream timeline and instantly rewatch any games on it.
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
March 25 2012 02:55 GMT
#8760
On March 25 2012 11:41 ref4 wrote:
again, I meant not disrespect to Grubby, I know that he makes his living through sponsors because he is such an articulate and likable individual. But his career as a player is not going anywhere if he is not willing to make the necessary sacrifices just like all the Korean players and top foreigners (Naniwa, Huk) and fans can only really watch their idols under-performing and fall so many times before they decided to stop caring about them, and then Grubby will (most likely) loses his sponsors. I think with his game knowledge he should transition into being a caster/commentator it really suits him better and it allows him to take care of his wife & family.


You are so wrong, he has a fan base and fans don't simply stop caring for him or follow him if he does bad. Great example of that is Boxer.

Grubby is still one of the best protoss foreigner, if you think he should stop because he had one bad tournament then you should really think about what you are saying. If the cut off line in skill is Grubby for people to quit playing then you just cut off 90% of foreigners. Let's have Naniwa, Stephano, and HuK be the only foreigners playing this game (sarcasm).
you live and you learn
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