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Please have some respect for the players, teams, and tournament.
Criticism is fine, criticism without anything to back it up isn't so cool.
Thanks!
Aemilia
Profile Joined March 2012
344 Posts
March 25 2012 02:32 GMT
#8721
On March 25 2012 11:28 Champloo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 11:26 Aemilia wrote:
First time Socke beat a notable Korean on LAN?

What? He 2-0ed JYP just 2 weeks ago at IEM.


Oh yeah, outside of PvP?
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 25 2012 02:32 GMT
#8722
On March 25 2012 11:31 dragonborn wrote:
Hey Fionn, did Polt qualified for next MLG?

he is in top 16, right?


He needs top 8 to get to summer arena I believe, and arena determines pool placements
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-25 02:37:34
March 25 2012 02:32 GMT
#8723
On March 25 2012 11:18 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 11:18 Asymmetric wrote:
On March 25 2012 11:13 ref4 wrote:
I meant no disrespect, but why is Grubby performing so poorly in SC2? I am comparing him to Naniwa both of whom switched from WC3 and both play Protosses. Naniwa have done impossible upsets and came close to taking out the most fearsome Koreans. Grubby just.....iono although he did take out Violet so that was good for him!


Different games, different metas, different times. Grubbys still learning. Give him time.

You'll see the same seemingly odd variance results when brood war pros switch over. Some of them will take to it like a fish out of water and perform amazingly and some of them will be a shadow of there former selves.

He's had MORE than enough time, that's not a valid excuse at all.
Also, "different metas"... ??


What exactly are you expecting from him. He was competing against several top tier Koreans who've all been playing the game longer than he has. Different players can take different periods of time to peak than others.

"different metas" simply refers to that present state of Sc2 requiring different skill sets than WC3. It's entirely possible that if the meta shifted sufficently so that the average game length/micro became more like warcraft 3's, presumably from an expansion/innovative build, then it may improve grubbys chances. Not that im saying that is likely to happen.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4418 Posts
March 25 2012 02:33 GMT
#8724
Koreans have gone 73-14 in bo3s now. I skipped the first 3 rounds of the Open Bracket since those aren't really relevant. Also counting some players like wbc and mook who I have no clue who are as Koreans since they have the Korean flag in liquipedia.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
March 25 2012 02:33 GMT
#8725
satisfied with Socke and HasuObs performance, kind of sad stephano didnt show his true power but its hard from the open bracket anyway - should lose to inori though in his best MU. kind of wanna see that games.

Demuslim couldve won against haypro and id be fine with how this MLG went - oh, besides LuK again having as much of it as humanly possible.
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Stegosaurus
Profile Joined March 2011
United States52 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-25 02:42:37
March 25 2012 02:34 GMT
#8726
On March 25 2012 09:38 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 09:35 iAmJeffReY wrote:
On March 25 2012 09:35 shekyeung wrote:
[image loading]

congrats to my friend!! so proud!!

love, yl

whos that?

thats YATA! can we get some more background on him?


That is NOT YaTa. YaTa is asian-american and goes to college full-time at RIT. He plays in the Collegiate Starleague and on Convergence gaming.
*insert witty comment here*
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
March 25 2012 02:34 GMT
#8727
DeMusliM has a realistic chance of getting in to the top 16 now if he can recapture his MLG Arena form that saw him beat NesTea and go 1-0 up against Oz.

I would say Socke and CrazyMoving are lower tier opponents. Hell, even DRG said he was the best player he played in his group. Oh fuck it I don't care if I'm biased, UK FIGHTING!

(holy crap there's no US players left!)
@followMVT
Laids
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom596 Posts
March 25 2012 02:34 GMT
#8728
Hmm, is it just me or does it seems that this thread isn't as active as some other past LR threads. I remember nearly every IPL 3 LR thread was close to 1k pages, and the LR thread for MLG Columbus last year broke 1400 pages


This has been a pretty average MLG tbh, no real drama to speak of and no real dark horses to cheer on from the open brackets. Going to suck even more if we have no foreigners in the late stages.
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
March 25 2012 02:35 GMT
#8729
On March 25 2012 11:23 Meself wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 11:20 Vallelol wrote:
On March 25 2012 11:18 MCDayC wrote:
On March 25 2012 11:18 Asymmetric wrote:
On March 25 2012 11:13 ref4 wrote:
I meant no disrespect, but why is Grubby performing so poorly in SC2? I am comparing him to Naniwa both of whom switched from WC3 and both play Protosses. Naniwa have done impossible upsets and came close to taking out the most fearsome Koreans. Grubby just.....iono although he did take out Violet so that was good for him!


Different games, different metas, different times. Grubbys still learning. Give him time.

You'll see the same seemingly odd variance results when brood war pros switch over. Some of them will take to it like a fish out of water and perform amazingly and some of them will be a shadow of there former selves.

He's had MORE than enough time, that's not a valid excuse at all.



Just because both played Wc3 does not mean they need to be equally good at sc2, what kind of logic is that?

I'm pretty much unbeatable in tic-tac-toe, solid in roshambo and decent at hide-and-seek. Somehow still haven't broken through in Starcraft 2 somehow. :/


Again I am not making the assumption that the skills will be carried over when one switches over from 1 RTS (WC3) to another (SC2) I was just listing that the fact they were both WC3 pros to make a contrast which was central to my question. I guess all things being equal Naniwa just trains waaaaaaaay harder than Grubby. Practices makes perfect in SC2 like everything else in life.
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
March 25 2012 02:35 GMT
#8730
On March 25 2012 11:34 MVTaylor wrote:
(holy crap there's no US players left!)


KawaiiRice?
claash
Profile Joined August 2011
Poland472 Posts
March 25 2012 02:35 GMT
#8731
Socke-Puma 2-1
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 25 2012 02:35 GMT
#8732
On March 25 2012 11:33 KalWarkov wrote:
satisfied with Socke and HasuObs performance, kind of sad stephano didnt show his true power but its hard from the open bracket anyway - should lose to inori though in his best MU. kind of wanna see that games.

Demuslim couldve won against haypro and id be fine with how this MLG went - oh, besides LuK again having as much of it as humanly possible.


Yeah can you believe how lucky Huk gets? He deserved to get banned from progaming for being so lucky.

/sarcasm off

The Huk hate is astounding really, even Deezer doesn't get this much hate.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
JackDT
Profile Joined January 2012
724 Posts
March 25 2012 02:36 GMT
#8733
I don't agree that Grubby is under performing in the first place. He under performed at this particular tournament but overall he's better every month, and as mentioned, he's only been playing seriously for a year. He's about where I'd expect honestly.
Andaya
Profile Joined April 2011
United States33 Posts
March 25 2012 02:36 GMT
#8734
On March 25 2012 11:32 Asymmetric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 11:18 MCDayC wrote:
On March 25 2012 11:18 Asymmetric wrote:
On March 25 2012 11:13 ref4 wrote:
I meant no disrespect, but why is Grubby performing so poorly in SC2? I am comparing him to Naniwa both of whom switched from WC3 and both play Protosses. Naniwa have done impossible upsets and came close to taking out the most fearsome Koreans. Grubby just.....iono although he did take out Violet so that was good for him!


Different games, different metas, different times. Grubbys still learning. Give him time.

You'll see the same seemingly odd variance results when brood war pros switch over. Some of them will take to it like a fish out of water and perform amazingly and some of them will be a shadow of there former selves.

He's had MORE than enough time, that's not a valid excuse at all.
Also, "different metas"... ??


What exactly are you expecting from him. He was competing against several top tier Koreans who've all been playing the game longer than he has. Different players can skill take different periods of time to peak than others.

"different metas" simply refers to that present state of Sc2 requiring different skill sets than WC3. It's entirely possible that if the meta shifted sufficently so that the average game length/micro became more like warcraft 3's, presumably from an expansion, then it may improve grubbys chances. Not that im saying that is likely to happen.

I think people just think his play is sub par. No one is saying he has to be the best in the world but his
Play against select was pretty sloppy. Storms that required a relatively low level of skill (compared to the skill required to counter) were the only thing that kept him in it.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
March 25 2012 02:37 GMT
#8735
On March 25 2012 11:34 Laids wrote:
Show nested quote +
Hmm, is it just me or does it seems that this thread isn't as active as some other past LR threads. I remember nearly every IPL 3 LR thread was close to 1k pages, and the LR thread for MLG Columbus last year broke 1400 pages


This has been a pretty average MLG tbh, no real drama to speak of and no real dark horses to cheer on from the open brackets. Going to suck even more if we have no foreigners in the late stages.


naniwa and huk are pretty far advanced already oO

i still dont like the MLG system too much, its AGAIN way too hard to play from the open bracket. small tweaks not enough i feel :/

you pretty much have to qualify in your region to have a realistic chance and not forced to play 30 bo3s or so
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13407 Posts
March 25 2012 02:37 GMT
#8736
SPL in 30 minutes !! Excited for some BW after MLG who else is with me?
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
IMNasty
Profile Joined February 2012
663 Posts
March 25 2012 02:37 GMT
#8737
so...huk has the easiest path to a top 8, while polt MC oz naniwa all fight for 1 spot
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
March 25 2012 02:37 GMT
#8738
On March 25 2012 11:35 Serinox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 11:34 MVTaylor wrote:
(holy crap there's no US players left!)


KawaiiRice?


whoops!
@followMVT
IMHope
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)1241 Posts
March 25 2012 02:37 GMT
#8739
A bit surprised that socke knocked out puma but puma hasn't been the same since NASL season 1.
Jessica Jung, Kim Taeyeon, Kwon Yuri <333
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
March 25 2012 02:39 GMT
#8740
On March 25 2012 11:36 Andaya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 11:32 Asymmetric wrote:
On March 25 2012 11:18 MCDayC wrote:
On March 25 2012 11:18 Asymmetric wrote:
On March 25 2012 11:13 ref4 wrote:
I meant no disrespect, but why is Grubby performing so poorly in SC2? I am comparing him to Naniwa both of whom switched from WC3 and both play Protosses. Naniwa have done impossible upsets and came close to taking out the most fearsome Koreans. Grubby just.....iono although he did take out Violet so that was good for him!


Different games, different metas, different times. Grubbys still learning. Give him time.

You'll see the same seemingly odd variance results when brood war pros switch over. Some of them will take to it like a fish out of water and perform amazingly and some of them will be a shadow of there former selves.

He's had MORE than enough time, that's not a valid excuse at all.
Also, "different metas"... ??


What exactly are you expecting from him. He was competing against several top tier Koreans who've all been playing the game longer than he has. Different players can skill take different periods of time to peak than others.

"different metas" simply refers to that present state of Sc2 requiring different skill sets than WC3. It's entirely possible that if the meta shifted sufficently so that the average game length/micro became more like warcraft 3's, presumably from an expansion, then it may improve grubbys chances. Not that im saying that is likely to happen.

I think people just think his play is sub par. No one is saying he has to be the best in the world but his
Play against select was pretty sloppy. Storms that required a relatively low level of skill (compared to the skill required to counter) were the only thing that kept him in it.


Select has probably the best foreign TvP - and he had 5 strong koreans in his group. hes just one of the better foreigners, not more for now.
he is a rly "slow" learner he said himself compared to other players.
Watch at Tyler, the BW "star" from the foreigners and how early he got knocked out - give ppl time, at the end of the year, we will see how good ppl get
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
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