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Please have some respect for the players, teams, and tournament.
Criticism is fine, criticism without anything to back it up isn't so cool.
Thanks!
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
March 25 2012 02:13 GMT
#8581
haha the flying pen by day in the end
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
Nick!
Profile Joined March 2011
Scotland701 Posts
March 25 2012 02:14 GMT
#8582
On March 25 2012 11:13 ref4 wrote:
I meant no disrespect, but why is Grubby performing so poorly in SC2? I am comparing him to Naniwa both of whom switched from WC3 and both play Protosses. Naniwa have done impossible upsets and came close to taking out the most fearsome Koreans. Grubby just.....iono although he did take out Violet so that was good for him!


Well there is a years worth of sc2 between them, but i do admit, grubby had a poor showing at MLG
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5460 Posts
March 25 2012 02:14 GMT
#8583
Poor Grubby. He gave it his all though!
Tsuki.eu
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1049 Posts
March 25 2012 02:14 GMT
#8584
On March 25 2012 11:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 11:06 Fionn wrote:
Did Grubby play any non-Koreans this tournament? He got pummeled.


I thought SeleCT was american .


Select is EU.
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
March 25 2012 02:14 GMT
#8585
Day9 looked so baked in the end
amiGo_O
Profile Joined February 2012
Czech Republic959 Posts
March 25 2012 02:14 GMT
#8586
On March 25 2012 11:12 Youtakenocandle wrote:
Grubby makes so many mistakes and his macro is just mediocre.

yeah, he played vs great Koreans but he shouldnt make so many mistakes vs any player ...
♥ In Loda we trust ♥
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 25 2012 02:14 GMT
#8587
On March 25 2012 11:13 _Darwin_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 11:12 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On March 25 2012 11:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 25 2012 11:06 Fionn wrote:
Did Grubby play any non-Koreans this tournament? He got pummeled.


I thought SeleCT was american .

SeleCT ended the debate. If you watch his interview he said he is Korean because he just spent the last 3 months training in korea


He also said Huk was Korean.


rofl

yep
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JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4418 Posts
March 25 2012 02:14 GMT
#8588
What's going on in Thorzain/Golden and Socke/Puma?
RetroAspect
Profile Joined November 2011
Belgium219 Posts
March 25 2012 02:14 GMT
#8589
Are there any VODS up from yesterday already?

I am what i am and thats all that i am!
Failsafe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-25 02:14:53
March 25 2012 02:14 GMT
#8590
On March 25 2012 11:13 ref4 wrote:
I meant no disrespect, but why is Grubby performing so poorly in SC2? I am comparing him to Naniwa both of whom switched from WC3 and both play Protosses. Naniwa have done impossible upsets and came close to taking out the most fearsome Koreans. Grubby just.....iono although he did take out Violet so that was good for him!


micro and strategy, is the general consensus: (or rather an or, but not an 'and/or') an either/or
MrBitter: Phoenixes... They're like flying hellions. Always cost efficient.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
March 25 2012 02:14 GMT
#8591
Whats happening in Golden Vs Thorzain!?
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
March 25 2012 02:14 GMT
#8592
I need information about ThorZaIN vs Golden and Socke vs PuMa. Come on TL give me intel!
Seriox
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany373 Posts
March 25 2012 02:14 GMT
#8593
Socke vs Puma still 1-1?
Mambo
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark1338 Posts
March 25 2012 02:14 GMT
#8594
What song is this?
Boxer | MVP | Taeja | TLO | Grubby | Bunny (danish)
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
March 25 2012 02:14 GMT
#8595
On March 25 2012 11:12 Hamdemon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 11:09 brentsen wrote:
On March 25 2012 11:06 Hamdemon wrote:
On March 25 2012 11:03 nvs. wrote:
...


My point in that being is how does someone justify being a "progamer" in the US? Even most of the top NA players are canadian which has a more generous social program. You either have to be insanely talented enough that 3-4 hours a day of practice is enough to be good enough to profit or you have to have someone willing to fund your ability to practice 8-10 horus a day like koreans do. I'm in the US and I'm in university and work 2 jobs and I'm not saying if I could play 10 hours a day I'd be a top progamer but i'd certainly be a lot better.

I'm pretty sure South Korea doesn't have a very bright welfare system.


But they do have one advantage over the US which is proximity. The US is a much larger country than korea, and most of the SC scene is focused around Seoul. This means you're more likely to find 9 other people willing to live in a small cramped apartment who can all play SC for 8+ hours a day in a team house. Forming a team house in the US isn't impossible but I would argue it's harder. As to why brood war has become a successful "sport" in korea you'd have to answer that for me because I wasn't watching the BW scene at that time, I was busy being a dumb teenager. I would have to do more research but I would believe the level of play generally improved as people were able to spend more time playing.


EG has a teamhouse, but one could argue the results produced have been fairly underwhelming so far.
LastDance
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
New Zealand510 Posts
March 25 2012 02:14 GMT
#8596
man this tour has been epic so far. Day9 and DJ wheat doing a great job as always.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
March 25 2012 02:14 GMT
#8597
On March 25 2012 11:13 ref4 wrote:
I meant no disrespect, but why is Grubby performing so poorly in SC2? I am comparing him to Naniwa both of whom switched from WC3 and both play Protosses. Naniwa have done impossible upsets and came close to taking out the most fearsome Koreans. Grubby just.....iono although he did take out Violet so that was good for him!


It isn't Grubby's fault, the guys he got paired against are just A LOT better.

It's honestly a shame, Grubby is good enough to have made a good showing in any of the other groups at least won one match but he got trapped in the Group of S.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-25 02:15:25
March 25 2012 02:15 GMT
#8598
On March 25 2012 11:06 Hamdemon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 11:03 nvs. wrote:
On March 25 2012 11:01 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 25 2012 10:58 Hamdemon wrote:
On March 25 2012 10:52 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 25 2012 10:48 Hamdemon wrote:
On March 25 2012 10:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 25 2012 10:36 nvs. wrote:
On March 25 2012 10:34 megapants wrote:
On March 25 2012 10:30 MooMu wrote:
[quote]

Take a shot or a toke, bro

For real bro just chillax majorly harsh buzzkill


NA only?

So no ret, TLO, Grubby, Thorzain, Hasu, etc. etc.

Sounds 1000x worse


LOL. No one would pay to watch a NA tournament, no one would sponsor it, no one would care about it.

Koreans are going to keep getting invited because people like watching them, they bring viewers and viewers bring money.

To say nothing of the fact that any tournament that prevents legitimate competition from entering is something no one would feel crazy about winning.


My point is more out of frustration that I feel the NA scene is hampered by a general lack of ability to get anywhere, we're being choped off at the legs. The only way to prove yourself is to be able to beat koreans, and realistically if our ladder is really worse and our players are worse, how are we supposed to improve? I just saw IdrA and Ostojiy fold like an accordion to basic hellion pressure that didn't even look that impressive to me. The koreans have GSL and the GSTL and a proleague coming up IN KOREA. We have a bunch of tourneys that for now, are just going to be flying koreans and a few really good euro players to utterly crush anything we have.

We need our own dedicated league and every time we set one it gets filled up with koreans. We don't have pro houses where a group of 12 people are practicing 80+ hours a week strategizing together, and even if we did it'd take a while to catch up. The NA scene needs a shot in the arm by someone willing to give a decent place for NA players to grow without having to face up against the top-tier koreans just yet. We should at least have some sort of "minor league" that is consistent so that we can grow. I know it's not always korean vs foreigners, but they have infastructure and a culture setup that currently, we can't compete with until we grow seperately.


Well then you should be looking to simply create more small scale leagues. Koreans aren't going to bother showing up to events if it isn't worth it for them.

There's no reason there can't be a semi-pro North American league (the NASL comes to mind) that is smaller scale with less financial incentive to draw in the big Korean boys, but you're still going to have to contend with European pros.

Basically as long as people can make money, they're going to pursue it. The incentive to improve has to be beyond simply making money. That's the big difference about the Koreans and the North Americans. The people over there legitimately care about improving, and being the best. Over here, the motivation is about being able to make money.

Euro pros I feel are on the same level as Americans, maybe a bit above because their welfare system allows people to spend more time gaming, less time in a real job.


This resentful, almost spiteful attitude you have that comes through oh so clearly in this sentence. that right there is the real problem. Something Americans need to fix on their own.




LOL Euros are better because of their wellfare system? You sir are hilarious.


My point in that being is how does someone justify being a "progamer" in the US? Even most of the top NA players are canadian which has a more generous social program. You either have to be insanely talented enough that 3-4 hours a day of practice is enough to be good enough to profit or you have to have someone willing to fund your ability to practice 8-10 horus a day like koreans do. I'm in the US and I'm in university and work 2 jobs and I'm not saying if I could play 10 hours a day I'd be a top progamer but i'd certainly be a lot better.


I'm Canadian and believe it or not, the situation of our university students isn't much different.

I still can't believe your welfare comment. Do you think we're a fucking socialist state like some rabid right wing nutters?

Make your point without introducing off the cuff speculations based on ideology and fantasy.
Zyte
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands564 Posts
March 25 2012 02:15 GMT
#8599
On March 25 2012 11:13 ref4 wrote:
I meant no disrespect, but why is Grubby performing so poorly in SC2? I am comparing him to Naniwa both of whom switched from WC3 and both play Protosses. Naniwa have done impossible upsets and came close to taking out the most fearsome Koreans. Grubby just.....iono although he did take out Violet so that was good for him!
Didnt grubby switch much later? Also, korean practice environment? Dont pin me on this..
ret * Leenock * DiMAGA * Grubby * FBH
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
March 25 2012 02:15 GMT
#8600
On March 25 2012 11:11 CikaZombi wrote:
I am always baffled at the lack of knowledge and game understanding displayed at every single one of these threads.
Sometimes I think it's just a way to vent and piss off players of other races by posting provocative, baseless and senseless things and counting on their reaction to tilt them irl or something.
And to think, that poll "which league are you in" showed that the most of TL posters are in the master league.. .


translation: i'm so smart and you're all dumb.

Woohoo SelecT! I want to see him go farther!!!
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
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