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On March 24 2012 19:09 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 18:45 TheMexican wrote:
horrible first day, soundissues, overlayissues, hp's were always turned off and very few games (as usual) on the free streams.ATROCIOUS obersving in the games that were shown, horrible casters besides the "established"ones ofc (<3 at least day 9 was back, though he could not save the first day) combined with the demuslim-drg decision....had to turn off after that, just horrible.
sry mlg but that is neither getting potential new costumers nor making those that do pay satisifed to win them over longterm.
not sure whether or not i will be watching the rest, and im sure im not the only one gotta admit this is the worst mlg i've watched so far, they haven't fix a lot of things from last season, the pools are still stupid and unfair and still no seeding in open bracket, all the casting has gotten worse, rather have husky than some of these dudes, stream has to refreshed after every ad, lots of downtime between games, I expected it to get smoother and more refined but its gotten worse, which is weird because a bunch of university kids managed to get it so right last week
The season just started, on what should the seeding be based besides Winter Arena (+ WA qualifier) results? TLPD ELO? Won Pricemoney? Fan Votes? Your Private Seeding System?
If People don't have any MLG points cause they didn't play in the prior ones of the respective season they may get unlucky brackets cause they didn't earn a seed. -_-
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On March 24 2012 20:04 b0rt_ wrote:that 3-1 caster prediction of naniwa beating drg was ridiculous. Do they not watch this game?  Pretty ridiculous.
Artosis is the only one who can even play starcraft at a semi-high level, so its no surprise that the other casters don't appreciate his play. I don't care what anyone thinks, you cannot have a deep understanding of high level starcraft unless you also play at a somewhat high level. Otherwise you end up like Tasteless who only cares about cute plays and micro tricks. MKP's factory wall against DRG in the Winter Arena did for him what months of fast, aggressive and intelligent play couldn't. Look at him drool over Naniwa because of his micro in the Winter Arena. He now thinks Naniwa is the best protoss in the world. He is just incapable at his level of appreciating the play of intelligent, non flashy play. If it weren't for Artosis telling him to like and who to dislike he wouldn't know what was going on.
I realize this turned into a tasteless rant even though I love the guy. He is just a particularly relevant example. Almost all casters are guilty of this. I don't mean to pick on tasteless.
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Awesome show. Makes me wonder why NA players are so bad if they have the greatest fans.
The one thing that was getting on my nerves were the max volume ads though,
always had to mute the sound and I somehow begin to hate the franchises that they were showing. ^^
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^ tastosis is still one of the my ( if not the most favourite) casting duo but mostly because of their great archon chemistry, I know Tasteless is a super estalished community person and deserves his status for all the years of hardwork. But nowadays only Artosis delivers casting wise and it's painful to watch how Tasteless even struggles to find words to say...He only repeats what Artosis says and always agrees with him. For me personally he's become even one of the worse Play by Play commentators tbh... Still love him.
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On March 24 2012 20:53 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 20:04 b0rt_ wrote:that 3-1 caster prediction of naniwa beating drg was ridiculous. Do they not watch this game? Pretty ridiculous. Artosis is the only one who can even play starcraft at a semi-high level, so its no surprise that the other casters don't appreciate his play. I don't care what anyone thinks, you cannot have a deep understanding of high level starcraft unless you also play at a somewhat high level. Otherwise you end up like Tasteless who only cares about cute plays and micro tricks. MKP's factory wall against DRG in the Winter Arena did for him what months of fast, aggressive and intelligent play couldn't. Look at him drool over Naniwa because of his micro in the Winter Arena. He now thinks Naniwa is the best protoss in the world. He is just incapable at his level of appreciating the play of intelligent, non flashy play. If it weren't for Artosis telling him to like and who to dislike he wouldn't know what was going on. I realize this turned into a tasteless rant even though I love the guy. He is just a particularly relevant example. Almost all casters are guilty of this. I don't mean to pick on tasteless.
Completely agree. The only 2 full-time casters I think are worth listening to for analysis are Apollo and Artosis, with sometimes Day[9] also giving some good insight.
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On March 24 2012 19:16 bikefrog wrote:
Really bummed out we won't see Stephano in pool play. While the games vs Polt were awesome I can't help but feel someone had a hand in setting the bracket up so they had to meet in r4. If that is the case I don't think that's fair to either of them. Oh well.
Yeah, someone at MLG probably wanted one of the biggest fan favorites of the tournament knocked down to the losers' bracket early on. Just imagine all that annoying attention MLG would get if Stephano makes it to pool play and beyond, they sure don't want part of any of that.
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On March 24 2012 21:13 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 19:16 bikefrog wrote:
Really bummed out we won't see Stephano in pool play. While the games vs Polt were awesome I can't help but feel someone had a hand in setting the bracket up so they had to meet in r4. If that is the case I don't think that's fair to either of them. Oh well. Yeah, someone at MLG probably wanted one of the biggest fan favorites of the tournament knocked down to the losers' bracket early on. Just imagine all that annoying attention MLG would get if Stephano makes it to pool play and beyond, they sure don't want part of any of that.
It's just a little bit too much of a coincidence after them meeting in early stages of so many previous tournaments. On the other hand this is some real opportunity for Stephano to show his will to win a tournament against every obstacle possible.
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On March 24 2012 18:10 d00p wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 17:35 Poopi wrote:
How the huck did NaNiwa manage to lose against Haypro?
T.T Haypro is good? Has everyone forgotten how good he was in the last championship?
"Haypro" is bad, Banjo is godly.
Just like "Idra" is bad, but The Gracken is awesome.
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On March 24 2012 21:16 SkyTheUnknown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 21:13 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On March 24 2012 19:16 bikefrog wrote:
Really bummed out we won't see Stephano in pool play. While the games vs Polt were awesome I can't help but feel someone had a hand in setting the bracket up so they had to meet in r4. If that is the case I don't think that's fair to either of them. Oh well. Yeah, someone at MLG probably wanted one of the biggest fan favorites of the tournament knocked down to the losers' bracket early on. Just imagine all that annoying attention MLG would get if Stephano makes it to pool play and beyond, they sure don't want part of any of that. It's just a little bit too much of a coincidence after them meeting in early stages of so many previous tournaments. On the other hand this is some real opportunity for Stephano to show his will to win a tournament against every obstacle possible.
So the conspiracy theory behind this is what? You are trying to read patterns where there are none. That's what the human mind is constructed to do, read patterns. Unfortunately our mind has a very skewed perception of what is random and as soons as a pattern shows up which doesn't coincide with our idea of randomness, we start trying to make sense of it. Usually it ends up as nothing better than illogical conspiracy theories.
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On March 24 2012 20:53 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 20:04 b0rt_ wrote:that 3-1 caster prediction of naniwa beating drg was ridiculous. Do they not watch this game? Pretty ridiculous. Artosis is the only one who can even play starcraft at a semi-high level, so its no surprise that the other casters don't appreciate his play. I don't care what anyone thinks, you cannot have a deep understanding of high level starcraft unless you also play at a somewhat high level. Otherwise you end up like Tasteless who only cares about cute plays and micro tricks. MKP's factory wall against DRG in the Winter Arena did for him what months of fast, aggressive and intelligent play couldn't. Look at him drool over Naniwa because of his micro in the Winter Arena. He now thinks Naniwa is the best protoss in the world. He is just incapable at his level of appreciating the play of intelligent, non flashy play. If it weren't for Artosis telling him to like and who to dislike he wouldn't know what was going on. I realize this turned into a tasteless rant even though I love the guy. He is just a particularly relevant example. Almost all casters are guilty of this. I don't mean to pick on tasteless.
Artosis isn't the only caster who can play at a semi-high level so you're wrong there for starters. And you realize somebody in Tasteless' position is just doing there job too, right? His job is to also hype and sell the players and point out the more casual-friendly fancy things for the majority of spectators. Though I'm sure he can differentiate good from bad play with the experience he has he'll leave that role to somebody like Artosis, who yes - has more understanding of the game and intelligent play but I wouldn't say Tasteless has zero knowledge and only cares about cute players and micro tricks, it's just that's not his position to do so most of the time.
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On March 24 2012 21:00 JustPassingBy wrote:
Awesome show. Makes me wonder why NA players are so bad if they have the greatest fans.
The one thing that was getting on my nerves were the max volume ads though,
always had to mute the sound and I somehow begin to hate the franchises that they were showing. ^^
Probably due to a lack of former esports-culture.
While Europe had the WC3 scene, CS scene, QL scene and so on, NA didn't really have a big thriving, self-sustained scene of their own.
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On March 24 2012 20:53 Neelia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 19:09 mememolly wrote:On March 24 2012 18:45 TheMexican wrote:
horrible first day, soundissues, overlayissues, hp's were always turned off and very few games (as usual) on the free streams.ATROCIOUS obersving in the games that were shown, horrible casters besides the "established"ones ofc (<3 at least day 9 was back, though he could not save the first day) combined with the demuslim-drg decision....had to turn off after that, just horrible.
sry mlg but that is neither getting potential new costumers nor making those that do pay satisifed to win them over longterm.
not sure whether or not i will be watching the rest, and im sure im not the only one gotta admit this is the worst mlg i've watched so far, they haven't fix a lot of things from last season, the pools are still stupid and unfair and still no seeding in open bracket, all the casting has gotten worse, rather have husky than some of these dudes, stream has to refreshed after every ad, lots of downtime between games, I expected it to get smoother and more refined but its gotten worse, which is weird because a bunch of university kids managed to get it so right last week The season just started, on what should the seeding be based besides Winter Arena (+ WA qualifier) results? TLPD ELO? Won Pricemoney? Fan Votes? Your Private Seeding System? If People don't have any MLG points cause they didn't play in the prior ones of the respective season they may get unlucky brackets cause they didn't earn a seed. -_-
take into consideration tourney results from things over than MLG, it's not rocket science
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On March 24 2012 21:31 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 20:53 Neelia wrote:On March 24 2012 19:09 mememolly wrote:On March 24 2012 18:45 TheMexican wrote:
horrible first day, soundissues, overlayissues, hp's were always turned off and very few games (as usual) on the free streams.ATROCIOUS obersving in the games that were shown, horrible casters besides the "established"ones ofc (<3 at least day 9 was back, though he could not save the first day) combined with the demuslim-drg decision....had to turn off after that, just horrible.
sry mlg but that is neither getting potential new costumers nor making those that do pay satisifed to win them over longterm.
not sure whether or not i will be watching the rest, and im sure im not the only one gotta admit this is the worst mlg i've watched so far, they haven't fix a lot of things from last season, the pools are still stupid and unfair and still no seeding in open bracket, all the casting has gotten worse, rather have husky than some of these dudes, stream has to refreshed after every ad, lots of downtime between games, I expected it to get smoother and more refined but its gotten worse, which is weird because a bunch of university kids managed to get it so right last week The season just started, on what should the seeding be based besides Winter Arena (+ WA qualifier) results? TLPD ELO? Won Pricemoney? Fan Votes? Your Private Seeding System? If People don't have any MLG points cause they didn't play in the prior ones of the respective season they may get unlucky brackets cause they didn't earn a seed. -_- take into consideration tourney results from things over than MLG, it's not rocket science
Right. So how does an Ro64 Code A finish compare to an 11th place IEM finish?
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On March 24 2012 21:04 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 20:53 zefreak wrote:On March 24 2012 20:04 b0rt_ wrote:that 3-1 caster prediction of naniwa beating drg was ridiculous. Do they not watch this game? Pretty ridiculous. Artosis is the only one who can even play starcraft at a semi-high level, so its no surprise that the other casters don't appreciate his play. I don't care what anyone thinks, you cannot have a deep understanding of high level starcraft unless you also play at a somewhat high level. Otherwise you end up like Tasteless who only cares about cute plays and micro tricks. MKP's factory wall against DRG in the Winter Arena did for him what months of fast, aggressive and intelligent play couldn't. Look at him drool over Naniwa because of his micro in the Winter Arena. He now thinks Naniwa is the best protoss in the world. He is just incapable at his level of appreciating the play of intelligent, non flashy play. If it weren't for Artosis telling him to like and who to dislike he wouldn't know what was going on. I realize this turned into a tasteless rant even though I love the guy. He is just a particularly relevant example. Almost all casters are guilty of this. I don't mean to pick on tasteless. Completely agree. The only 2 full-time casters I think are worth listening to for analysis are Apollo and Artosis, with sometimes Day[9] also giving some good insight.
Yeah that's spot on. 
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On March 24 2012 21:25 monkybone wrote:
Some vods from day 1 are missing! TT
These games aren't in the vods list:
(A2) Ganzi vs SaSe
(A3) HuK vs Socke
(A2) DeMuslim vs Haypro
(A3) Parting vs TheStc
were they broadcasted? Will the vods appear later?
Where can I find the Vods from day 1? I didnt know they were uploaded already. I checked the MLG page and only found stuff from the Winter Arena or maybe Im stupid...
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On March 24 2012 21:35 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 21:31 mememolly wrote:On March 24 2012 20:53 Neelia wrote:On March 24 2012 19:09 mememolly wrote:On March 24 2012 18:45 TheMexican wrote:
horrible first day, soundissues, overlayissues, hp's were always turned off and very few games (as usual) on the free streams.ATROCIOUS obersving in the games that were shown, horrible casters besides the "established"ones ofc (<3 at least day 9 was back, though he could not save the first day) combined with the demuslim-drg decision....had to turn off after that, just horrible.
sry mlg but that is neither getting potential new costumers nor making those that do pay satisifed to win them over longterm.
not sure whether or not i will be watching the rest, and im sure im not the only one gotta admit this is the worst mlg i've watched so far, they haven't fix a lot of things from last season, the pools are still stupid and unfair and still no seeding in open bracket, all the casting has gotten worse, rather have husky than some of these dudes, stream has to refreshed after every ad, lots of downtime between games, I expected it to get smoother and more refined but its gotten worse, which is weird because a bunch of university kids managed to get it so right last week The season just started, on what should the seeding be based besides Winter Arena (+ WA qualifier) results? TLPD ELO? Won Pricemoney? Fan Votes? Your Private Seeding System? If People don't have any MLG points cause they didn't play in the prior ones of the respective season they may get unlucky brackets cause they didn't earn a seed. -_- take into consideration tourney results from things over than MLG, it's not rocket science Right. So how does an Ro64 Code A finish compare to an 11th place IEM finish?
Don't bother trying to argue about this. People is just mad that Stephano is out of the winners bracket after they were talking about him about to win MLG and become the best zerg in the world.
Now they have to create some drama and blame MLG's system when there's no way to seed Stephano and Polt because they didn't want to play in the winter arena. It's fine, they wanted to play in other tournament, but now it's his fault that they met so early and not MLG's
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On March 24 2012 21:35 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 21:31 mememolly wrote:On March 24 2012 20:53 Neelia wrote:On March 24 2012 19:09 mememolly wrote:On March 24 2012 18:45 TheMexican wrote:
horrible first day, soundissues, overlayissues, hp's were always turned off and very few games (as usual) on the free streams.ATROCIOUS obersving in the games that were shown, horrible casters besides the "established"ones ofc (<3 at least day 9 was back, though he could not save the first day) combined with the demuslim-drg decision....had to turn off after that, just horrible.
sry mlg but that is neither getting potential new costumers nor making those that do pay satisifed to win them over longterm.
not sure whether or not i will be watching the rest, and im sure im not the only one gotta admit this is the worst mlg i've watched so far, they haven't fix a lot of things from last season, the pools are still stupid and unfair and still no seeding in open bracket, all the casting has gotten worse, rather have husky than some of these dudes, stream has to refreshed after every ad, lots of downtime between games, I expected it to get smoother and more refined but its gotten worse, which is weird because a bunch of university kids managed to get it so right last week The season just started, on what should the seeding be based besides Winter Arena (+ WA qualifier) results? TLPD ELO? Won Pricemoney? Fan Votes? Your Private Seeding System? If People don't have any MLG points cause they didn't play in the prior ones of the respective season they may get unlucky brackets cause they didn't earn a seed. -_- take into consideration tourney results from things over than MLG, it's not rocket science Right. So how does an Ro64 Code A finish compare to an 11th place IEM finish?
so stephano and polt should go unseeded in the open bracket?
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On March 24 2012 21:17 RageBot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 18:10 d00p wrote:On March 24 2012 17:35 Poopi wrote:
How the huck did NaNiwa manage to lose against Haypro?
T.T Haypro is good? Has everyone forgotten how good he was in the last championship? "Haypro" is bad, Banjo is godly. Just like "Idra" is bad, but The Gracken is awesome. That you compare the two is just...wow. I mean I see your point but it's just ridiculous. I'd get it if he had peaks and "dips" in performance. But apart from MLG (where he has consistently been one of the best foreigners) his performances in tournaments have been very disappointing or "low".
Until last winter/fall where he stepped up his level quite a bit. His only real "fail" was the HSC beatdown. He is not like IdrA who will just do fuck all then magically become the Gracken for 1 tournament and give his fanbase new hope. He has actually improved overall and keeps on improving consistently. To paint that over with comparing him to a player like IdrA is just disgusting, man. At least do your research before you wrap out a comment like that.
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