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AFTER A WEEKEND OF INTENSE TRAINING, PLAYERS COMPETE IN A TOURNAMENT TO CONCLUDE THE RED BULL LAN: ORLANDO
Top StarCraft II players practiced and trained with one another throughout the weekend. Tonight at Full Sail University they will face off and put their training to the test for a cash prize. Stop by and watch live (3300 University Boulevard Winter Park, Florida)!
For more information about the Red Bull LAN, check out the announcement thread here!
WHERE TO WATCH
Stream:
All 4 streams including first person perspectives: http://www.redbullusa.com/lan
Twitch.tv page: http://www.twitch.tv/team/RedBullLAN
Basic Time:
6pm - 12am ET / 11pm - 5am CET
Twitter:
Use #RBLAN to talk to Day[9], djWHEAT, and Rob Simpson and appear on the twitter feed in the venue.
TOURNAMENT BRACKETS (UPDATED LIVE!)
PRIZES
The RBLan has a unique way that players earn money: they earn a little bit for each win!
If you win a first round game, we hand you $100 in cash
If you win a second round game, we hand you another $200 in cash
If you win in the semi-finals, we hand you another $300 in cash
If you win the finals, we hand you $500 in cash
In other words, if you win it all, you get $1000 in cash xD.
SCHEDULE
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CASTED BY: Day[9]/djWHEAT/Rob Simpson
Results
Round 1: + Show Spoiler +
Quarter Finals:
Match 1:+ Show Spoiler +
Match 2:+ Show Spoiler +
Match 3:+ Show Spoiler +
Match 4:+ Show Spoiler +
Semi-finals
Match 1: + Show Spoiler +
Match 2: + Show Spoiler +
Finals
+ Show Spoiler +
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Illusion v Naniwa so sick
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Poor Illusion :p I'll be excited to see a Naniwa/Thorzain rematch though :D
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Naniwa will destroy Illusion 
can't wait for naniwa vs thorzain.
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On March 19 2012 05:04 Holdinga wrote:
Prize pool?
Woops! Just been added xD
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Best of what? I'm guessing 3 up to the final at least being a one day tournament.
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If you win a first round game, we hand you $100 in cash
If you win a second round game, we hand you another $200 in cash
If you win in the semi-finals, we hand you another $300 in cash
If you win the finals, we hand you $500 in cash
In other words, if you win it all, you get $1000 in cash xD.
According to that, if someone seeded in round 1 wins, they get $1100. If someone from round 2 wins, they get $1000.
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On March 19 2012 05:10 Thrax wrote:
If someone seeded in round 1 wins, they get $1100. If someone from round 2 wins, they get $1000.
They have to play less games to win though (or more money per game).
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On March 19 2012 05:11 gruff wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 05:10 Thrax wrote:
If someone seeded in round 1 wins, they get $1100. If someone from round 2 wins, they get $1000. They have to play less games to win though (or more money per game).
Yep yep, and that's fair. I like it like that. However, the "in other words" summary of the prizes in the OP is half incorrect
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why do some players start in round 2? were their prelims or something?
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On March 19 2012 05:14 KeithONLINE wrote:
why do some players start in round 2? were their prelims or something?
These were the focus players I believe so I'm guessing it some "compensation" for them participating in the first 2 days or something.
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On March 19 2012 05:14 KeithONLINE wrote:
why do some players start in round 2? were their prelims or something?
The focus players (the 4 players that had challenges for the event) got seeded in round 2.
IMO, If anything, the 8 other players should be getting compensation, since they were guinea pigs/practice partners for the first 2 days of the event 
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Looking forward to it.
Puma vs Naniwa finals go.
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can't wait to see Illusion bust out some mech tvp... realistically Naniwa will throw him down and kick him while he's down 
still, this is great preparation for all players for MLG--- i just hope it doesn't mess them up psychologically against certain players if they end up being in the same groups as players they lost to this weekend during practice sets
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Looking forwards to this. The events been nothing but great so far.
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Looking forward for PuMa v. SaSe the most.
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damn starting so late in eu.. wont be able to watch much
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Day[9]: The sexiest man ever to say "indeedy-do!"
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Are there vods of hasus interview yesterday?
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Is this live? The Day9 stream that is, not placed correctly under events?
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wow.... are we in the quarter finals already?
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just in from Lone Star, when will be the hasu challenge?
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On March 19 2012 07:24 Swiv wrote:
just in from Lone Star, when will be the hasu challenge?
Yesterday.
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On March 19 2012 07:24 Swiv wrote:
just in from Lone Star, when will be the hasu challenge?
Yesterday.
edit: ninja'd
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Hmm... Quite lucky from Hasu. WP nonetheless, but ... that was pretty lucky.
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So what was the result between Morrow an Jyp? I missed it (I assume) because I was having the wrong stream up.
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Hoooooooly shit. Epic PvP.
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what a sick pvp
mark that game 2 as must see between hasu and jyp
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On March 19 2012 07:41 Testuser wrote:
Hmm... Quite lucky from Hasu. WP nonetheless, but ... that was pretty lucky.
Lucky?
Hasu is one of the best at screwing with the colossus AI.
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On March 19 2012 07:41 nihlon wrote:
So what was the result between Morrow an Jyp? I missed it (I assume) because I was having the wrong stream up.
2-1 Jyp, they didn't show the games
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Holy cow what an awesome game.
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Superb game just happened
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zomg, NaNi Thorzain?! TSL3 rematch!
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On March 19 2012 07:42 McGregsen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 07:41 Testuser wrote:
Hmm... Quite lucky from Hasu. WP nonetheless, but ... that was pretty lucky. Lucky? Hasu is one of the best at screwing with the colossus AI.
Without the Mothership snipe/Collusi interception Hasu would have lost I think. He played really well, don't get me wrong there, but I do think that he got quite lucky there.
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On March 19 2012 07:42 Jiiks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 07:41 nihlon wrote:
So what was the result between Morrow an Jyp? I missed it (I assume) because I was having the wrong stream up. 2-1 Jyp, they didn't show the games
Ok thanks, was looking forward to seeing that.
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On March 19 2012 07:45 Omegalisk wrote:
Protoss is silly.
why? like in every match up, positioning is really important. and jyp´s army was way out of position
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On March 19 2012 07:44 Testuser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 07:42 McGregsen wrote:On March 19 2012 07:41 Testuser wrote:
Hmm... Quite lucky from Hasu. WP nonetheless, but ... that was pretty lucky. Lucky? Hasu is one of the best at screwing with the colossus AI. Without the Mothership snipe/Collusi interception Hasu would have lost I think. He played really well, don't get me wrong there, but I do think that he got quite lucky there.
you are both right i guess^^ hasus colossi "control" is pretty sick and he defended very well, he still shouldve lost the game obviously, quite "lucky" with that mothership snipe and the fight position
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On March 19 2012 07:44 Testuser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 07:42 McGregsen wrote:On March 19 2012 07:41 Testuser wrote:
Hmm... Quite lucky from Hasu. WP nonetheless, but ... that was pretty lucky. Lucky? Hasu is one of the best at screwing with the colossus AI. Without the Mothership snipe/Collusi interception Hasu would have lost I think. He played really well, don't get me wrong there, but I do think that he got quite lucky there.
Okay fair point with the Mothership. But luck comes to aid those that try hard. ;-)
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Sase took down Puma? Nice. Seeing as Puma is a TvP beast.
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On March 19 2012 07:47 Jono7272 wrote:
Sase took down Puma? Nice. Seeing as Puma is a TvP beast.
SaSe's PvT isn't anything to scoff at though. A while ago he was going toe to toe with mkp and forgg on kr ladder. Now lets see if he can overcome his PvZ weakness :<
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On March 19 2012 07:47 McGregsen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 07:44 Testuser wrote:On March 19 2012 07:42 McGregsen wrote:On March 19 2012 07:41 Testuser wrote:
Hmm... Quite lucky from Hasu. WP nonetheless, but ... that was pretty lucky. Lucky? Hasu is one of the best at screwing with the colossus AI. Without the Mothership snipe/Collusi interception Hasu would have lost I think. He played really well, don't get me wrong there, but I do think that he got quite lucky there. Okay fair point with the Mothership. But luck comes to aid those that try hard. ;-)
Indeed. In the end, JYP played risky when he decided to pressure with colossi. Great game, and good play from both sides.
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On March 19 2012 07:47 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 07:44 Testuser wrote:On March 19 2012 07:42 McGregsen wrote:On March 19 2012 07:41 Testuser wrote:
Hmm... Quite lucky from Hasu. WP nonetheless, but ... that was pretty lucky. Lucky? Hasu is one of the best at screwing with the colossus AI. Without the Mothership snipe/Collusi interception Hasu would have lost I think. He played really well, don't get me wrong there, but I do think that he got quite lucky there. you are both right i guess^^ hasus colossi "control" is pretty sick and he defended very well, he still shouldve lost the game obviously, quite "lucky" with that mothership snipe and the fight position
why lucky with the mothership snip, we didnt see if he saw the ms crossing. i only saw that the watch tower was taken, but not by whom. but yeah jyp should have won the game :p
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SHETH!
Destroy everyone with your manner!
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Who won between JYP/Hasu? JYP?
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On March 19 2012 08:05 Zojukanji wrote:
yeah jyp won
aight, thanks :D
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Wow SaSe how did you win that
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Good collosi and ff micro
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HOLLLLLLYYYYY FUCK THAT WAS SO AWESOME SASE YOU RULE!!!!!!!!
The POWER of the Robo bay: 1 obs, 1 warp, 2 immortals, 3 colossus. AMAZING PLAY.
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Looking like a lot of PvPs today :D
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Sheth really threw that first game away x.x
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Korean training starting to pay off for Sase. I remember his PvZ when he was in europe and he definatelly looks more scary now.
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SaSe does not like taking thirds.
EDIT:And right as i said that he takes a third :p
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Yeaaaaaaaah SaSe's blink micro is pretty guuuuuuuuuuud
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SaSe so filthy , loving the decision making . this guy's got a lot of talent!
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On March 19 2012 08:29 Fragile51 wrote:
SaSe does not like taking thirds.
EDIT:And right as i said that he takes a third :p
He's taught by Naniwa, what do you expect.
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On March 19 2012 08:31 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 08:29 Fragile51 wrote:
SaSe does not like taking thirds.
EDIT:And right as i said that he takes a third :p He's taught by Naniwa, what do you expect.
Well taught is a big word haha, their styles could not be more different..
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hopefully one of the focus players advances
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On March 19 2012 08:31 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 08:29 Fragile51 wrote:
SaSe does not like taking thirds.
EDIT:And right as i said that he takes a third :p He's taught by Naniwa, what do you expect.
Is he really? I used to think that they probably shared a lot of similar playstyles, but this was very, very different play from what Nani does.
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I was joking, geez (though if you read their tweets you might start to wonder ). They have both joked around about 2 base play in PvZ.
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This one is going to be fun
hope Thorzain steals Naniwa's money again xD
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Got to root for Thorzain on this one, I am a fanboy-nerdling for him. A sweet rematch, pity it isn't the finals!
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On March 19 2012 08:34 Wherewolf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 08:31 nihlon wrote:On March 19 2012 08:29 Fragile51 wrote:
SaSe does not like taking thirds.
EDIT:And right as i said that he takes a third :p He's taught by Naniwa, what do you expect. Is he really? I used to think that they probably shared a lot of similar playstyles, but this was very, very different play from what Nani does.
Nani said in a recent interview that he and Sase have opposite play-styles and that while they talk about stuff they have their own way of doing things.
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Shouldn't this event be called "Redbull No-LAN"?
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Why this tournament is not mentioned in the streams calendar?
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that redbull tournament coverage site is BADASS!
all that info about the games. every single unit built - crazy stuff
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that was off 3 gates??? o.O
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why on earth is it so hard to find results
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On March 19 2012 08:51 vndods wrote:
that was off 3 gates??? o.O
Quite common to see that amount of damage off of only 3 gates these days.
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On March 19 2012 08:53 ftd.rain wrote:Quite common to see that amount of damage off of only 3 gates these days.
hm, did he save all chorno for gates or something? that seemed like 5 gates worth of units.
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Every time I see Naniwa on his PC, the fact that he's left handed bored me.
That's so weird. :p
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Terran macros up to be able to compete with Toss late game-- dies to 3 gate pressure
Terran gears up to defends early pressure-- dies to toss late game
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iirc he was definitely chrono boosting his gateways at some point
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He was spending all chrono on the gates after the additional 2 gates were up. Hoping for Naniwa/Sase finals :D
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..This looks like a 1-1-1 to Nani, doesn't it?
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This was just brilliant by naniwa...
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On March 19 2012 08:56 xrapture wrote:
Terran macros up to be able to compete with Toss late game-- dies to 3 gate pressure
Terran gears up to defends early pressure-- dies to toss late game
I hear making a quicker second bunker or repairing it works out pretty nicely. There are tons of games of even four gate pressure being held off easily, stop whining.
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beautiful play by thorzain.
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I dont understand why protoss never feedback T's medivacs before morphing archons
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great patience by naniwa.
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3 upgrade advantage, food advantage, what for?
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phew. close game. gg wps by both
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Man Naniwa has to be the best Protoss in the world right now from what i've seen holy cow
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Man that was an incredible game from both sides.
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That army control wtf seriously
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On March 19 2012 09:16 ftd.rain wrote:3 upgrade advantage, food advantage, what for?
One upgrade advantage, food advantage, stood in place without kiting and one ghost? Or wait, let me guess, in a balanced game a non-kiting terran army without EMP should be able to win while being flanked into a corner? so imba.
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On March 19 2012 09:12 dangerjoe wrote:
I dont understand why protoss never feedback T's medivacs before morphing archons
lol do you think a good Terran lets a few HT's walk close to his army and feedback his medivacs ? :D
And in a huge engagements its not worth it, because this 1 feedback doesn't compensate for the lost DPS of the archon while 2 HT are morphing.
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ALL PROTOSS SEMIFINALS!!!! LETS GO lol
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Naniwa and Thorzain always produce such sick games.
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omg so many Protoss. Ret is our last hope.
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rofl all protoss semifinals. We are never going to hear the end of this. Embrace our role as the new terran.
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On March 19 2012 09:18 Kaitokid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 09:12 dangerjoe wrote:
I dont understand why protoss never feedback T's medivacs before morphing archons lol do you think a good Terran lets a few HT's walk close to his army and feedback his medivacs ? :D And in a huge engagements its not worth it, because this 1 feedback doesn't compensate for the lost DPS of the archon while 2 HT are morphing.
archons aren't really for DPS, more for tanking, but yes, i agree.
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On March 19 2012 09:19 W2 wrote:
rofl all protoss semifinals. We are never going to hear the end of this. Embrace our role as the new terran.
protoss op! xD
sad marine soon?
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On March 19 2012 09:20 vndods wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 09:19 W2 wrote:
rofl all protoss semifinals. We are never going to hear the end of this. Embrace our role as the new terran. protoss op! xD sad marine soon?
Hell no. Marines aren't pussies.
We'll be the pissed off marines.
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On March 19 2012 09:18 Kaitokid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 09:12 dangerjoe wrote:
I dont understand why protoss never feedback T's medivacs before morphing archons lol do you think a good Terran lets a few HT's walk close to his army and feedback his medivacs ? :D And in a huge engagements its not worth it, because this 1 feedback doesn't compensate for the lost DPS of the archon while 2 HT are morphing.
Your first point is not really true.. Feedback has 9 range.
Your second point is valid, but I still wonder if a terran without medivac energy is worth it
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why is there no liquidpedia entry for this tourny ?
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Assuming we get an all toss semi finals IDK who wins the tournament then, out of the players left I'm not sure who actually has the best PvP and I'm too lazy to look up stats.
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On March 19 2012 09:19 vndods wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 09:18 Kaitokid wrote:On March 19 2012 09:12 dangerjoe wrote:
I dont understand why protoss never feedback T's medivacs before morphing archons lol do you think a good Terran lets a few HT's walk close to his army and feedback his medivacs ? :D And in a huge engagements its not worth it, because this 1 feedback doesn't compensate for the lost DPS of the archon while 2 HT are morphing. archons aren't really for DPS, more for tanking, but yes, i agree.
Its a mix of tanking and DPS, but they are definitely more important for dps, since chargelots are the real tanks. (bonus damage against bio and splash)
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On March 19 2012 09:21 dangerjoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 09:18 Kaitokid wrote:On March 19 2012 09:12 dangerjoe wrote:
I dont understand why protoss never feedback T's medivacs before morphing archons lol do you think a good Terran lets a few HT's walk close to his army and feedback his medivacs ? :D And in a huge engagements its not worth it, because this 1 feedback doesn't compensate for the lost DPS of the archon while 2 HT are morphing. Your first point is not really true.. Feedback has 9 range. Your second point is valid, but I still wonder if a terran without medivac energy is worth it
not really, they just become wasted supply while they regenerate.
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On March 19 2012 09:21 dangerjoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 09:18 Kaitokid wrote:On March 19 2012 09:12 dangerjoe wrote:
I dont understand why protoss never feedback T's medivacs before morphing archons lol do you think a good Terran lets a few HT's walk close to his army and feedback his medivacs ? :D And in a huge engagements its not worth it, because this 1 feedback doesn't compensate for the lost DPS of the archon while 2 HT are morphing. Your first point is not really true.. Feedback has 9 range. Your second point is valid, but I still wonder if a terran without medivac energy is worth it
Stim a few mm and kill the HT=no problem...maybe in diamond league you can do this stuff, but even then spending those extra APM on something else would be better and its just way too risky.
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On March 19 2012 09:18 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 09:16 ftd.rain wrote:3 upgrade advantage, food advantage, what for? One upgrade advantage, food advantage, stood in place without kiting and one ghost? Or wait, let me guess, in a balanced game a non-kiting terran army without EMP should be able to win while being flanked into a corner? so imba.
He had +2 ship weapons, ergo a 3 upgrade advantage, and let's not forget the only thing worth mentioning about that game, thorzain's very unique positioning abuse that gave him a good amount of kills for free, but in the end didn't matter at all, he also had more than 1 ghost.
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On March 19 2012 09:22 ladyumbra wrote:
Assuming we get an all toss semi finals IDK who wins the tournament then, out of the players left I'm not sure who actually has the best PvP and I'm too lazy to look up stats.
I think JYP would be the favourite, but they're all pretty well known for being good at PvP, except maybe Parting, but thats only because he's Korean and naturally gets compared to players like Oz and MC.
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All  semis incoming!
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On March 19 2012 09:26 ftd.rain wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 09:18 Heavenly wrote:On March 19 2012 09:16 ftd.rain wrote:3 upgrade advantage, food advantage, what for? One upgrade advantage, food advantage, stood in place without kiting and one ghost? Or wait, let me guess, in a balanced game a non-kiting terran army without EMP should be able to win while being flanked into a corner? so imba. He had +2 ship weapons, ergo a 3 upgrade advantage, and let's not forget the only thing worth mentioning about that game, thorzain's very unique positioning abuse that gave him a good amount of kills for free, but in the end didn't matter at all, he also had more than 1 ghost.
rofl ye right lets count +2 ship weapons as a +2 upgrade advantage... pretty sure those +2 vikings really made a difference against naniwa's 1 colossus. thorzain would've won if he spend a few hundred minerals on bunkers, since nani was kinda allin off his 3 bases... or at least he should build a few raxes near his 3rd to make it harder for nani to micro and to create less attacking space for his chargelots.
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On March 19 2012 09:26 Eufouria wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 09:22 ladyumbra wrote:
Assuming we get an all toss semi finals IDK who wins the tournament then, out of the players left I'm not sure who actually has the best PvP and I'm too lazy to look up stats.
I think JYP would be the favourite, but they're all pretty well known for being good at PvP, except maybe Parting, but thats only because he's Korean and naturally gets compared to players like Oz and MC.
I'd actually favour Nani in this scenario. I'm not too impressed by JYP's PvP and I admittedly haven't seen a lot of PvP from Parting.
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Sase vs naniwa finals, sase takes it!
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On March 19 2012 09:25 Kaitokid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 09:21 dangerjoe wrote:On March 19 2012 09:18 Kaitokid wrote:On March 19 2012 09:12 dangerjoe wrote:
I dont understand why protoss never feedback T's medivacs before morphing archons lol do you think a good Terran lets a few HT's walk close to his army and feedback his medivacs ? :D And in a huge engagements its not worth it, because this 1 feedback doesn't compensate for the lost DPS of the archon while 2 HT are morphing. Your first point is not really true.. Feedback has 9 range. Your second point is valid, but I still wonder if a terran without medivac energy is worth it Stim a few mm and kill the HT=no problem...maybe in diamond league you can do this stuff, but even then spending those extra APM on something else would be better and its just way too risky.
Meh, this is getting too theory crafty. Ofcourse you move them forward in pairs and morph them right after the feedbacks. If he stims a couple of units, you move some stalkers forward.
But whatevs, I guess your right. I concede
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Why does parting's realid say Robert Simpson? :D
EDIT: PLEASE TELL ME SOMEONE WATCHED PARTINGS SCREEN AND SAW HIM SPLIT PROBES WHAT WAS THAT!!!
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2 more months and we reach 1 year without a major tournament win by foreign terrans! : ))
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Has any foreign besides thorzain, gain any major tournament? Don't remember one.
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The web page is SICK! All those stats. I hope Red Bull goes for a huge tournament next time instead of the LAN-thing. This is a brave concept but it's not attracting nearly as much attention as Lone Star even though the players are a lot more interesting at the Red Bull LAN.
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On March 19 2012 09:29 dangerjoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 09:25 Kaitokid wrote:On March 19 2012 09:21 dangerjoe wrote:On March 19 2012 09:18 Kaitokid wrote:On March 19 2012 09:12 dangerjoe wrote:
I dont understand why protoss never feedback T's medivacs before morphing archons lol do you think a good Terran lets a few HT's walk close to his army and feedback his medivacs ? :D And in a huge engagements its not worth it, because this 1 feedback doesn't compensate for the lost DPS of the archon while 2 HT are morphing. Your first point is not really true.. Feedback has 9 range. Your second point is valid, but I still wonder if a terran without medivac energy is worth it Stim a few mm and kill the HT=no problem...maybe in diamond league you can do this stuff, but even then spending those extra APM on something else would be better and its just way too risky. Meh, this is getting too theory crafty. Ofcourse you move them forward in pairs and morph them right after the feedbacks. If he stims a couple of units, you move some stalkers forward. But whatevs, I guess your right. I concede
the answer to your question is because archons take too long to morph, battle will be over before they finish. However you will see some protoss have maybe 2 Ht's left unmorphed to feedback medivacs. But this is only before storm finishes researching. Once it's done he'll storm with the energy instead, which is why you rarely see this in matches.
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On March 19 2012 09:35 murtas wrote:
Has any foreign besides thorzain, gain any major tournament? Don't remember one.
I would say the most notable major tournament wins by foreigners have been Huk's win of HSC3 and MLG Orlando and Stephano's win of IPL3.
Naniwa's 2nd place at MLG Providence is imo on the same level as those wins too, just because of the calibre of players at that event.
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On March 19 2012 09:35 murtas wrote:
Has any foreign besides thorzain, gain any major tournament? Don't remember one.
We've seen idra, stephano, huk, naniwa, and dimaga with pretty nice tournament wins.
However, we haven't had a foreign Terran win a major live event in well over a year.
Everyone ignores that though
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why were some players seeded into the second round? (thorzain, sheth, hasu, ret)
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On March 19 2012 09:39 EcstatiC wrote:
why were some players seeded into the second round? (thorzain, sheth, hasu, ret)
They were the focus players for the event. So far they've all been eliminated so if Ret loses we get an all Protoss, all practice partner, top 4.
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uhm....they are the focus players?!
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On March 19 2012 09:39 EcstatiC wrote:
why were some players seeded into the second round? (thorzain, sheth, hasu, ret)
I believe the focus players were auto seeded into the second round
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On March 19 2012 09:39 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 09:35 murtas wrote:
Has any foreign besides thorzain, gain any major tournament? Don't remember one. We've seen idra, stephano, huk, naniwa, and dimaga with pretty nice tournament wins. However, we haven't had a foreign Terran win a major live event in well over a year. Everyone ignores that though
Offcourse, the conversation was about terrans, i just forgot to quote the post above mine.
There hasn't been any winning Terran besides Thorzain. Unless we are talking about daily EU cups, then there is some.
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On March 19 2012 09:39 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 09:35 murtas wrote:
Has any foreign besides thorzain, gain any major tournament? Don't remember one. We've seen idra, stephano, huk, naniwa, and dimaga with pretty nice tournament wins. However, we haven't had a foreign Terran win a major live event in well over a year. Everyone ignores that though
Stephano, HuK and Naniwa are simply better than every foreign Terran.
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PartinG plays really good, even though Ret feels so so strong!
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Naniwa is gonna win this tournament :D
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ret stopped targeting the immortal x-x
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Damn Parting had like the bare minimum to hold that off
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Ret with his standard overcommital into losing.
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Seriously, PartinG is playing so so good. :D
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Wow, parting micro. I would have lost that game about 5 times. : P
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Ret threw so many Infestors away, needs to work on his micro. That looked so bad.
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Why would Ret gg? Was there something that happened at his main?
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On March 19 2012 09:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Damn Parting had like the bare minimum to hold that off
Parting had way less than enough to hold that off.
Ret lost 500 energy worth of infestor to just derp 1a. He'll be smacking himself and making 5 different hotkeys for his infestors this game.
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On March 19 2012 09:49 Cush wrote:
Why would Ret gg? Was there something that happened at his main?
He overcommitted on low economy with mass roach/infestor, lost all his infestors without damaging any of Parting's eco and then ran out of steam.
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On March 19 2012 09:50 Jombozeus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 09:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Damn Parting had like the bare minimum to hold that off Parting had way less than enough to hold that off. Ret lost 500 energy worth of infestor to just derp 1a. He'll be smacking himself and making 5 different hotkeys for his infestors this game.
Yeah, PartinG had really good micro and those immortals eat roaches in low numbers. Those infestors were just derp herp throw infected terrans :D
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DjWheat's commentating is pretty bad. :/
"PartinG's third will be defenseless, if Ret cleanses up his units and Cannons".....no shit?^^
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You know he's been casting like that since the beginning of time, right?
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Parting usually handles that attack so much better
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surprised P's are still going 2 stargate, cant remember the last time it resulted in a win
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On March 19 2012 10:11 Sackings wrote:
surprised P's are still going 2 stargate, cant remember the last time it resulted in a win
It should have resulted in a win this game but Parting did it terribly.
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Yea he really borkd that attack. Gogo ret
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On March 19 2012 10:12 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 10:11 Sackings wrote:
surprised P's are still going 2 stargate, cant remember the last time it resulted in a win It should have resulted in a win this game but Parting did it terribly.
true enough, still think its a bad opener though
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nice game ret but parting made some mistakes.....seems like parting isn't comfortable with double stargate...
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On March 19 2012 10:15 Sackings wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 10:12 JJH777 wrote:On March 19 2012 10:11 Sackings wrote:
surprised P's are still going 2 stargate, cant remember the last time it resulted in a win It should have resulted in a win this game but Parting did it terribly. true enough, still think its a bad opener though
It's a really good all-in.
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Ret still showed some great decision making as when to attack or not. Haven't seen that sort of discipline from him that often.
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On March 19 2012 10:17 Wein wrote:
No Liquipedia info? http://www.redbullusa.com/cs/Satellite/en_US/001243035003218#starcraft
Pretty cool with all the match info, even chat ^^
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Sheth's anecdote is gonna make me cry x.x He looks so heartbroken when talking about letting his ex-team (Light) down...
Even if apparently his tough loss was only to some maphacking jackass. How could you cheat against Sheth! x.x
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Who sheth was talking about in the maphack story?
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Sheth, seems to have a superb spirit
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Lol Ret just said either Grubby or Goody were terrible hahaha
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Goody + Grubby = horrible players? Rly Ret?
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Hasu, i love that guy. Going bald quick though, hes 23/24 iirc? Ret now, loving these anecdotes!!
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these player videos are amazing
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On March 19 2012 10:29 OminouS wrote:
Goody + Grubby = horrible players? Rly Ret?
he said in his opinion and hes entitled to it.
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On March 19 2012 10:30 dapierow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 10:29 OminouS wrote:
Goody + Grubby = horrible players? Rly Ret? he said in his opinion and hes entitled to it.
To be fair he was and still would be heavily favored against both players imo so I can see how he can be really disappointed to be 2-0d by both to start off 2012. I wonder how pissed he would have been if he had lost to Destiny
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On March 19 2012 10:30 dapierow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 10:29 OminouS wrote:
Goody + Grubby = horrible players? Rly Ret? he said in his opinion and hes entitled to it.
Never said he wasn't! I was just surprised.
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damnit. Parting why you dissapoint
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Amazing production quality.. surprised it doesnt have more viewers :I
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Wow. Calmest cannon rush hold ever!
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WOW, what did i just watch? Sase is amazing lol
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Wow, Sheths story was really sad, and the guy does only deserve the best. While reading on Liquipedia II, I found that TT1 and Spades were maphackers too, this is really sad.
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Holy crap if this works Sase has got himself a new fan! (Alright, I was already a fan since he bougth me a burger, but still)
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Sase just put on a clinic on how to stop a cannon rush
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So little viewers because of the lone star...makes me sad
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On March 19 2012 10:42 Heinsenzerg wrote:
So little viewers because of the lone star...makes me sad
I'm kind of surprised Liquid being in the finals of NASTL hasnt taken away more viewers but I guess NASL viewership is generally pretty low
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On March 19 2012 10:42 Heinsenzerg wrote:
So little viewers because of the lone star...makes me sad
how is 17k viewers little?
plus, Stephano vs Polt is freaking epic.
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Woah Sase brushing that cannon rush off without even so much as a flinch. So well played.
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On March 19 2012 10:45 vndods wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 10:42 Heinsenzerg wrote:
So little viewers because of the lone star...makes me sad how is 17k viewers little? plus, Stephano vs Polt is freaking epic.
well...day9 playing amnesia got 20ks and the funday monday gets like 10k everytime, and the lone star peaked at something like 39k ?
yeah, seems slow to me on comparison
of course stephano and polt are THE awesomeness embodied! :D
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What is this build order? o.O
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Sassy Sassa, right Day[9]? :D
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God this blink micro is so fricking good from both players. Beautiful game.
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Why is JYP attacking up a ramp?This makes me cringe.
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Haha Sase threw it away at the end. Silly.
But yeah, amazing blink battles *-*
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PvP on TDA hahahaha
But *both* players aren't going the usual 1 gas 4 gate. lol.
EDIT: Neither is o.O Wow :D
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Wp by Sase!
Is it sase
or sasa, dammit day9!
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On March 19 2012 11:11 nihlon wrote:
EG killer!
Sheth says Hi.
But Sase playing so well :D
Only foreigners left? Sweet ^^
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Sase slaughterhouse. Gotta switch to NASTL finals, hopefully I can micro well enough back and forth between streams :D
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Insanely tense PvP. Who said one base is boring? :o
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Wow, sase. how incredibly exciting!
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Sase looked twitchy as in kinda in play and quite a lot in liveshots. THAT REDBULL.
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Korean Protosses aren't as ahead as their Terrans
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I rarely enjoy PvP but that was awesome.
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naniwa v thorzain and ret in one day so awesome, always good games
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Great game again. Observer timing was crucial there poor DTs but WP to sase.
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On March 19 2012 11:13 Azarkon wrote:Korean Protosses aren't as ahead as their Terrans
it's sase yo
and it's pvp
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Amazing play by SaSe, from someone who watched his stream since the begining, I couldn't be happier how good he is performing (:
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On March 19 2012 11:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Sheth says Hi. But Sase playing so well :D Only foreigners left? Sweet ^^
Say hi back. Sase is still killing EG this tournament.
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On March 19 2012 11:15 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 11:13 Azarkon wrote:Korean Protosses aren't as ahead as their Terrans it's sase yo and it's pvp
It's SaSe, but Ret beat Parting, too, and Naniwa is just as good as SaSe. Genius and MC is a bit ahead of NA/EU Protosses still, but nowhere near the Code S Terrans.
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Naniwa v Ret, Sase vs winner, and Stephano vs Polt in Lonestar, so many good games now!
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Sase brings tears of pvp joy to my eyes. So impressed <333 I'd like to see Artosis analyze a couple of those pvps too XD
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Anybody know what that song in the transition was? Just now? D: My soundhound couldn't find it
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What is the music that's playing on stream during breaks?
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On March 19 2012 11:19 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 11:15 travis wrote:On March 19 2012 11:13 Azarkon wrote:Korean Protosses aren't as ahead as their Terrans it's sase yo and it's pvp It's SaSe, but Ret beat Parting, too, and Naniwa is just as good as SaSe. Genius and MC is a bit ahead of NA/EU Protosses still, but nowhere near the Code S Terrans.
nah naNiwa is a step ahead of SaSe. though it seems like they share builds.
Why isn't this listed on the ON AIR streams? missed so many good games
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On March 19 2012 11:19 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 11:15 travis wrote:On March 19 2012 11:13 Azarkon wrote:Korean Protosses aren't as ahead as their Terrans it's sase yo and it's pvp It's SaSe, but Ret beat Parting, too, and Naniwa is just as good as SaSe. Genius and MC is a bit ahead of NA/EU Protosses still, but nowhere near the Code S Terrans.
I'd say more than a bit. Plus, it's mostly that there are barely any exceptional foreign terrans. The best foreigners are toss and zerg.
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On March 19 2012 11:27 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 11:19 Azarkon wrote:On March 19 2012 11:15 travis wrote:On March 19 2012 11:13 Azarkon wrote:Korean Protosses aren't as ahead as their Terrans it's sase yo and it's pvp It's SaSe, but Ret beat Parting, too, and Naniwa is just as good as SaSe. Genius and MC is a bit ahead of NA/EU Protosses still, but nowhere near the Code S Terrans. I'd say more than a bit. Plus, it's mostly that there are barely any exceptional foreign terrans. The best foreigners are toss and zerg.
Well Korean Zerg's are still way ahead of foreign Zerg's too.
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Please dont make some insane mistake now ret... you got this
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Wait was that a serious statement? xD
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Id say nexus first is pretty safe against Ret. Seriously i dont think ive ever seen him 6 pool
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On March 19 2012 11:19 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 11:15 travis wrote:On March 19 2012 11:13 Azarkon wrote:Korean Protosses aren't as ahead as their Terrans it's sase yo and it's pvp It's SaSe, but Ret beat Parting, too, and Naniwa is just as good as SaSe. Genius and MC is a bit ahead of NA/EU Protosses still, but nowhere near the Code S Terrans.
I don't get what this even means? Genius and MC aren't anywhere near Code S Terrans but they're Code S protoss, one which was the last semifinalist and another who was ro8? Genius and MC are way ahead every NA/EU protoss, it's been quite a long time since any foreigner has beat MC outside of PvP and hard to say about Genius but he did come second only to DRG last GSL. Both are far above any NA/EU protoss, it might look similar only because those protoss copy their builds and execute them against lesser opponents than Code S players. The best XvPer in the foreign scene is Stephano and MC has beaten him in every encounter.
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On March 19 2012 12:01 Freeheals wrote:
keep it locked?!?!?!?!
Your bicycle, obviously
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On March 19 2012 11:56 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 11:19 Azarkon wrote:On March 19 2012 11:15 travis wrote:On March 19 2012 11:13 Azarkon wrote:Korean Protosses aren't as ahead as their Terrans it's sase yo and it's pvp It's SaSe, but Ret beat Parting, too, and Naniwa is just as good as SaSe. Genius and MC is a bit ahead of NA/EU Protosses still, but nowhere near the Code S Terrans. I don't get what this even means? Genius and MC aren't anywhere near Code S Terrans but they're Code S protoss, one which was the last semifinalist and another who was ro8? Genius and MC are way ahead every NA/EU protoss, it's been quite a long time since any foreigner has beat MC outside of PvP and hard to say about Genius but he did come second only to DRG last GSL. Both are far above any NA/EU protoss, it might look similar only because those protoss copy their builds and execute them against lesser opponents than Code S players. The best XvPer in the foreign scene is Stephano and MC has beaten him in every encounter.
It means what it says... Top foreigner Protosses are closer in skill to top Korean Protosses than top foreigner Terrans are to top Korean Terrans.
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On March 19 2012 12:02 ELA wrote:Your bicycle, obviously
Good advice for Ret, seeing as he's Dutch, and bicycle theft is a huge issue over there.
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On March 19 2012 12:04 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 12:02 ELA wrote:On March 19 2012 12:01 Freeheals wrote:
keep it locked?!?!?!?! Your bicycle, obviously Good advice for Ret, seeing as he's Dutch, and bicycle theft is a huge issue over there.
Same in Copenhagen.. I've been through 3 bicycles in 3 years..
I can't imagine Ret on a bicycle though
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Gdamnit im REALLY loving these stories. Mrbitter/Rotti in the background though, after all, it is polt-steph.
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On March 19 2012 12:02 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 11:56 Heavenly wrote:On March 19 2012 11:19 Azarkon wrote:On March 19 2012 11:15 travis wrote:On March 19 2012 11:13 Azarkon wrote:Korean Protosses aren't as ahead as their Terrans it's sase yo and it's pvp It's SaSe, but Ret beat Parting, too, and Naniwa is just as good as SaSe. Genius and MC is a bit ahead of NA/EU Protosses still, but nowhere near the Code S Terrans. I don't get what this even means? Genius and MC aren't anywhere near Code S Terrans but they're Code S protoss, one which was the last semifinalist and another who was ro8? Genius and MC are way ahead every NA/EU protoss, it's been quite a long time since any foreigner has beat MC outside of PvP and hard to say about Genius but he did come second only to DRG last GSL. Both are far above any NA/EU protoss, it might look similar only because those protoss copy their builds and execute them against lesser opponents than Code S players. The best XvPer in the foreign scene is Stephano and MC has beaten him in every encounter. It means what it says... Top foreigner Protosses are closer in skill to top Korean Protosses than top foreigner Terrans are to top Korean Terrans.
That's not what the sentence says at all...
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Are they gonna play the finals today? Any more games today?
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Wonder why we only got the Ret story just now and not one from Sase..
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lol DJ Wheat: "Sase the tool... belt Protoss!"
Epic finals incoming
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because sase was not a focus payer!
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Another PvZ where SaSe delays Warp Gate :O
what the third before cyber
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seen this build on his stream on this same map, its so sick
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he will totally surround his third in buildings
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On March 19 2012 12:12 Nick.TNA wrote:
Wonder why we only got the Ret story just now and not one from Sase..
Ret was one of the focus players, Sase wasn't.
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Tune in to see SaSe getting warp gate on 3 bases. Does anyone know how he managed to get that build up or was it just a build which totally depends on it not getting scouted?
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its specific to cloud kingdom i think. and relies on the 2 gate zealot pressure
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what a sick build on this map. pre 7 minute third and he got it up completely uncontested thanks to the 2 gate zealot pressure. Eager to analyze and try this build out.
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Sase: 3 nexus then cyber
Ret: 5 fast hatcheries and 11 minute hive
Okay. I'm stumped. But enthralled :D
Edit: 14 minute greater spire. Oh god.
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On March 19 2012 12:26 Zyte wrote:
Oh yes, 1-0 incoming.
...Well duh. The score is currently 0-0
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No detection and the DT's didnt even get to swipe once.. Such sick awareness from Ret
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That is a ridiculous amount of bls.
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On March 19 2012 12:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:...Well duh. The score is currently 0-0 ^^ Its Ret-Sase so 1-0 != 0-1 :p.
I am biased yes. Sase is a boss indeed but ret really needs a tourney win i feel.
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The only reason why Sase broke through that, was because of lack of detection from Ret, Sase sniped the Overseer - Pretty big misread from wheat and day..
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yeah there was no detection
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last time i saw him do that opener he did something like a 10gate blink allin off it. I think he was caught halfway here
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On March 19 2012 12:32 Zyte wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 12:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 19 2012 12:26 Zyte wrote:
Oh yes, 1-0 incoming. ...Well duh. The score is currently 0-0 ^^ Its Ret-Sase so 1-0 != 0-1 :p. I am biased yes. Sase is a boss indeed but ret really needs a tourney win i feel.
Haha then it's a 1-0 indeed
Game 1 was ridiculous :D
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so...what happens if ur opponent makes roaches...
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seems like sase choked this game o.O
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I can't see how that could possibly be safe....
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lawlerskates!!! Wtf kind of build LOL
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I think SaSe is ahead of his game. That will be standard in five years.
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Argh missed the second game, what happened?
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the state of pvz nowdays feels alot like bw pvz pre bisu...
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On March 19 2012 12:44 Orome wrote:
Argh missed the second game, what happened?
Sase took his 3rd as he got his cyber core, and put the core at the third. Ret makes roaches...rest is kinda obvious.
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On March 19 2012 12:35 emjaytron wrote:
last time i saw him do that opener he did something like a 10gate blink allin off it. I think he was caught halfway here
All-in off 3 bases is the future standard!
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On March 19 2012 12:45 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 12:44 Orome wrote:
Argh missed the second game, what happened? Sase took his 3rd as he got his cyber core, and put the core at the third. Ret makes roaches...rest is kinda obvious.
lool. ty^^
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Ret 3-0 Congrats
Such great play *-*
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lol 44 to 100 supply. ah well, sase has always been severely lacking against zerg.
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Damn, ret got a bit lucky with his build, but this shoudl be game?
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GG! ret looking very solid right now. this training is really paying off
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Fantastic run, im so happy for Ret !!!!!!!
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damn, Ret is looking really good. Parting, Naniwa and Sase? EZPZ
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Lol Sase's play looks like a Gold league's kinda of play.
Congrats Ret. Well deserved.
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GG!!!!! RET!!!! nice job!!!!!!!!
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YES RET! Year of Liquid, 2012 is it!
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RET.
i bet his girlfriend is there too. that's why he keeps smiling at the audience :D
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On March 19 2012 12:55 FryktSkyene wrote:
What does he win?
all the redbull he can drink for a year.
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RET!@!@!@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On March 19 2012 12:56 Gamegene wrote:all the redbull he can drink for a year.
And a bike lock from Rob Simpson.
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a little bit of money per victory
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Congrats ret, so happy! This was such a nice production imo. Loved the casting as well as the anecdotes. Shame lone star was at the exact same time, this deserved so much more viewers!
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jesus, this is so discouraging to see as a protoss, gotta love ret though, I really like him as a player and as a person.
GGWP
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true that, i wanted more viewers
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2012, the year of Liquid.
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congrats to ret, he played super solid this whole weekend.
but it looked like sase was giving those builds a competitive test-run before columbus, seeing as only $400 was on the line. i don't think the series would have been 3-0 if he were playing a bit more standard.
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holy brick of cash batman
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haha giant brick of cash. ret gotta MAKE IT RAINNNNNNNN
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Oh, and he wins like 2 pounds of hard cash as well ^^
Fuck yeah
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Lol that brick of cash. Should be standard at tournaments imo. :D
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Hold Dat
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On March 19 2012 13:02 ELA wrote:
Oh, and he wins like 2 pounds of hard cash as well ^^
Fuck yeah
Looks like they're $1 bills though, lol.
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how much money is it exactly?
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That brick of cash was excellent, I'd love to see that happen more often. If that's a grand imagine how big MLG's champion's brick would be
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On March 19 2012 13:03 Heinsenzerg wrote:
how much money is it exactly?
The brick is $500.
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Tumba's standing in the background.
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grats, ret! you deserve it!
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What an awesome ending to that stream - Sick production - Props Red Bull + Day9.TV-crews!
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On March 19 2012 13:05 Sgtmt wrote:
Its $1000
$1000 is how much he won in total. The brick is only $500.
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Thanks for the ntertainment!
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Oh yeah - Now time to catch up on the other streams!
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Wait, what did Day9 say about seeing everyone in Austin next? Is he doing one in Austin?
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On March 19 2012 13:06 ensign_lee wrote:
Wait, what did Day9 say about seeing everyone in Austin next? Is he doing one in Austin?
yes.
so much for zerg not being able to beat protoss. DRG, Ret, Stephano seem to have it down.
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I really enjoyed watching this over the weekend!
The format was fun and I really liked that the atmosphere had some of the informality of HSC but still the adrenaline of a stacked tournament.
and ofc Ret Fighting!
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On March 19 2012 13:07 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 13:06 ensign_lee wrote:
Wait, what did Day9 say about seeing everyone in Austin next? Is he doing one in Austin? yes. so much for zerg not being able to beat protoss. DRG, Ret, Stephano seem to have it down.
Funny thing, I was sensing more of a 'protoss can't beat zerg' vibe in the meta-whine.
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On March 19 2012 13:11 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 13:07 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 19 2012 13:06 ensign_lee wrote:
Wait, what did Day9 say about seeing everyone in Austin next? Is he doing one in Austin? yes. so much for zerg not being able to beat protoss. DRG, Ret, Stephano seem to have it down. Funny thing, I was sensing more of a 'protoss can't beat zerg' vibe in the meta-whine.
its been going both ways. I dont care, I'm terran lol. Personally though I think its tougher on Toss right now.
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Missed the finale but sounds like Ret sweeped up! Congrats Ret
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cant belive ret won this
so many people i would have bet on winning it above him, did he play really well or was everyone else just crap?
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can i still watch rets games somewhere?
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Damn. Year of the Liquid indeed.
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On March 19 2012 19:30 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
what was the other title liquid won?
+ Show Spoiler +
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+ Show Spoiler +oooo that already happened! Awesome, I thought they would though, the matches except for hasuobs were kinda TL favoured (and even that was TL favoured)
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anyone else can't open the vods on red bull official site?
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Are the average APM on the redbull site real time APM, or Blizz time?
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On March 19 2012 20:05 CruelZeratul wrote:
Are the average APM on the redbull site real time APM, or Blizz time?
I think it's the 'new' APM, e.g. commands per minute. I checked the Cloud Kingdom game of Ret vs SaSe (25min) and its 257/240 APM (Ret/SaSe) vs 176/128 EPM. So those 'AVG APM' stats seem to be based on EPM.
Pretty cool stats overview nevertheless by Red Bull, well done. This one.
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On March 19 2012 19:46 ThePlayer33 wrote:
anyone else can't open the vods on red bull official site?
They work for me @ http://live.redbull.tv
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On March 19 2012 17:07 ThatGuy89 wrote:cant belive ret won this so many people i would have bet on winning it above him, did he play really well or was everyone else just crap?
Ret played phenomenally, and other players played very well, but couldn't keep up.
He earned his wins; most of the time, he won the games, rather than his opponents throwing them away.
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I can't watch the vods of round 1 (jyp vs morrow, etc), when I watch the vods it directly skips to 1h and the first games are jyp vs hasu
Can I watch them somewhere else?
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I quit watching after Ret beat Parting, nice to see Ret won, was really pulling for SaSe
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Illusion's link to his TLPD in the opening post is wrong... You're linking him to oGsIllusion, not vileIllusion I know cause Chris is younger than that AND he looks different
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Can anyone recommend me some of Ret's most entertaining games/the best to learn from? and as best to learn from, I mean very textbook macro with no crazy shit involved. Thanks in advance!
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When it was streamed you could watch the first person view of the players.
Does anyone know if there is VODs of that anywhere?
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On March 20 2012 00:57 Aocowns wrote:
Can anyone recommend me some of Ret's most entertaining games/the best to learn from? and as best to learn from, I mean very textbook macro with no crazy shit involved. Thanks in advance!
Vs Naniwa games
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On March 19 2012 19:46 ThePlayer33 wrote:
anyone else can't open the vods on red bull official site?
They don't work for me either, just a black screen. Using chrome, tried disable adblock but did nothing.
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Wow cool, Congrats to Ret, I kind of stopped watching when it was looking like it could be PvP all the way to the finals lol.
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Lol, against all odds, Z beats P! Congrats Ret!
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On March 20 2012 07:55 ravemir wrote:
Lol, against all odds, Z beats P! Congrats Ret!
This isn't mid 2011.
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On March 20 2012 07:55 ravemir wrote:
Lol, following all odds, Z beats P! Congrats Ret!
fixed that for you
anyway, now there is a liquipedia page for  Red Bull LAN 1
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On March 20 2012 07:55 ravemir wrote:
Lol, against all odds, Z beats P! Congrats Ret!
Against all odds? You've been listening to IdrA too much lol.
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On March 20 2012 07:56 dpL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 07:55 ravemir wrote:
Lol, against all odds, Z beats P! Congrats Ret! This isn't mid 2011.
this, zvp is so heavily z favored, not because of any update, just because the metagame has evolved. Ret gong 5-0 his last 5 games vs toss? Ret is good but he CRUSHED every toss every game, wasn't even close ever
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Quantic.SaSe > 
EGPuMa (2-0)
mouz.MorroW (2-1)
