When: Thursday, Mar 08 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Thursday, Mar 08 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Format
This double-elimination tournament features 16 teams from around the world and is an All-Kill team format. This match is being played for the Losers Final. The first team to defeat everyone on the opposing team's roster (5 wins, or a best of 9), will move on in to the Grand Final, while the loser will be eliminated from the tournament entirely, taking 3rd place. Keep in mind that this has a $20,000 prize pool, and only six teams will make it to the money!
Old Generations TOP Ensnare Gon TheStC Supernova Fin Illusion TheWind JookTo Luvsic Cezanne JongMi InCa Spunky VINES
New Star HoSeo Jjakji Hoon Sculp Shuttle Seal Flower Fake Freaky (RealMaker) Fairy Sage BanBans Tassadar San Carmel ggod
The First Game for this match of IPL Team Arena Challenge 2 is on Thursday, Mar 08 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Thursday, Mar 08 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Fin < Sanshorn Mist AE > Sting Fin < Daybreak > Seal TheStC < Calm Before the Storm > Seal InCa < Terminus > Seal InCa < Shattered Temple > Jjakji Vines < Antiga Shipyard > Jjakji JookTo < Atlantis Spaceship > Jjakji Congratulations to NSHoSeo, winning 5-2! They advance to the Grand Finals and oGs is eliminated, earning 3rd place!
oGs MA BOYSSSS LET'S GOOO! Show em you're good enough to make it to vegas for GSTL finals so i can cheer for you live! Forgg supernova stc vines hwaitinggg! Inca snipinggg!
I wonder when the matches were played. OGs lacking Supernova because of IEM could make a difference. Not that they can't win without him (I'd say they are a bit favored any way) but you never know.
On March 08 2012 04:32 L4hlborg wrote: I wonder when the matches were played. OGs lacking Supernova because of IEM could make a difference. Not that they can't win without him (I'd say they are a bit favored any way) but you never know.
On March 08 2012 04:32 L4hlborg wrote: I wonder when the matches were played. OGs lacking Supernova because of IEM could make a difference. Not that they can't win without him (I'd say they are a bit favored any way) but you never know.
Weeks ago.
Completely wrong. They said during the cast last night the games hadn't even been played yet and they weren't sure if they were going to play them in time to broadcast today. Looks like they got them finished
On March 08 2012 04:32 L4hlborg wrote: I wonder when the matches were played. OGs lacking Supernova because of IEM could make a difference. Not that they can't win without him (I'd say they are a bit favored any way) but you never know.
Weeks ago.
Completely wrong. They said during the cast last night the games hadn't even been played yet and they weren't sure if they were going to play them in time to broadcast today. Looks like they got them finished
Good to know. Why did they not play these games earlier?
On March 08 2012 05:47 Seeker wrote: Does anyone know WHY IPL does this? Why do they stream games that were already played weeks in advance?
Why does it even bother you ? They'd hide the replay thingy they could tell you those games were live. Even if they were played 2 months ago it's still new content and relevant :/
On March 08 2012 04:32 L4hlborg wrote: I wonder when the matches were played. OGs lacking Supernova because of IEM could make a difference. Not that they can't win without him (I'd say they are a bit favored any way) but you never know.
Weeks ago.
Completely wrong. They said during the cast last night the games hadn't even been played yet and they weren't sure if they were going to play them in time to broadcast today. Looks like they got them finished
Good to know. Why did they not play these games earlier?
Because then people would complain about the games being old
On March 08 2012 05:47 Seeker wrote: Does anyone know WHY IPL does this? Why do they stream games that were already played weeks in advance?
As it's already been stated it's not weeks in advance, but a few days, maybe a week, beforehand. The teams involved in this tournament are from entirely different timezones across the world, playing them live would be impossible. Hence, they have to schedule the games to be played at a convenient time for both parties, then they can broadcast at a consistent time slot each day. It's really the only way a tournament like this can work
On March 08 2012 09:57 DJHelium wrote: Jjakji allkill incoming!
Pardon my ignorance but what exacty constitutes an all-kill? This has been bothering me for quite a while since it doesn't really makes sense to me. If you doesn't start for the first match, how exactly can you "all-kill" your opponent? If it's just that you don't lose a game then every deciding game would technically be an all-kill even if it's just one game. Would two wins be enough to be called as such? Three?
On March 08 2012 09:57 DJHelium wrote: Jjakji allkill incoming!
Pardon my ignorance but what exacty constitutes an all-kill? This has been bothering me for quite a while since it doesn't really makes sense to me. If you doesn't start for the first match, how exactly can you "all-kill" your opponent? If it's just that you don't lose a game then every deciding game would technically be an all-kill even if it's just one game. Would two wins be enough to be called as such? Three?
Killing the whole enemy team. If you don't start you can all-kill if the rest of your teammates all lose until you play.
wow I really don't think NSHS can take it against oGs. oGs has too many powerful Terrans and overall good players, Fin / StC / Supernova will clean them up and if Jjaki can take them out, they still have VINES who is overall very good and InCa who could snipe a Protoss...
On March 08 2012 09:57 DJHelium wrote: Jjakji allkill incoming!
Pardon my ignorance but what exacty constitutes an all-kill? This has been bothering me for quite a while since it doesn't really makes sense to me. If you doesn't start for the first match, how exactly can you "all-kill" your opponent? If it's just that you don't lose a game then every deciding game would technically be an all-kill even if it's just one game. Would two wins be enough to be called as such? Three?
Killing the whole enemy team. If you don't start you can all-kill if the rest of your teammates all lose until you play.
On March 08 2012 09:57 DJHelium wrote: Jjakji allkill incoming!
Pardon my ignorance but what exacty constitutes an all-kill? This has been bothering me for quite a while since it doesn't really makes sense to me. If you doesn't start for the first match, how exactly can you "all-kill" your opponent? If it's just that you don't lose a game then every deciding game would technically be an all-kill even if it's just one game. Would two wins be enough to be called as such? Three?
An all-kill is simply when a single player takes out the full "best of"-number of enemy players. If the first player for oGs kills two players from NSHS, and then Jjakji comes out at 0-2 and wins it 5-2, it is an all-kill because every player who partecipated in the team match from oGs has been eliminated by a single player of NSHS.
On March 08 2012 09:57 DJHelium wrote: Jjakji allkill incoming!
Pardon my ignorance but what exacty constitutes an all-kill? This has been bothering me for quite a while since it doesn't really makes sense to me. If you doesn't start for the first match, how exactly can you "all-kill" your opponent? If it's just that you don't lose a game then every deciding game would technically be an all-kill even if it's just one game. Would two wins be enough to be called as such? Three?
Killing the whole enemy team. If you don't start you can all-kill if the rest of your teammates all lose until you play.
As an addition to this, it's known as a "reverse all-kill" when you're down 4-0 and you come back and win 5-4.
On March 08 2012 09:57 DJHelium wrote: Jjakji allkill incoming!
Pardon my ignorance but what exacty constitutes an all-kill? This has been bothering me for quite a while since it doesn't really makes sense to me. If you doesn't start for the first match, how exactly can you "all-kill" your opponent? If it's just that you don't lose a game then every deciding game would technically be an all-kill even if it's just one game. Would two wins be enough to be called as such? Three?
On March 08 2012 09:57 DJHelium wrote: Jjakji allkill incoming!
Pardon my ignorance but what exacty constitutes an all-kill? This has been bothering me for quite a while since it doesn't really makes sense to me. If you doesn't start for the first match, how exactly can you "all-kill" your opponent? If it's just that you don't lose a game then every deciding game would technically be an all-kill even if it's just one game. Would two wins be enough to be called as such? Three?
An all-kill is simply when a single player takes out the full "best of"-number of enemy players. If the first player for oGs kills two players from NSHS, and then Jjakji comes out at 0-2 and wins it 5-2, it is an all-kill because every player who partecipated in the team match from oGs has been eliminated by a single player of NSHS.
Yeah, now that you mention it it's sounds pretty obvious. I would blame it on being late if I hadn't been baffled by this before lol. Maybe I'm just stupid -_-
On March 08 2012 09:57 DJHelium wrote: Jjakji allkill incoming!
Pardon my ignorance but what exacty constitutes an all-kill? This has been bothering me for quite a while since it doesn't really makes sense to me. If you doesn't start for the first match, how exactly can you "all-kill" your opponent? If it's just that you don't lose a game then every deciding game would technically be an all-kill even if it's just one game. Would two wins be enough to be called as such? Three?
An all-kill is where you defeat every player on the opposing team yourself (ie all players, hence the name). You don't necessarily have to be the first player to do that (though it does look better that way). There's also the 'reverse all-kill', where the score is 0-4 and the player all-kills the other team to make it 5-4.
OT: Go oGs! Seal is really their only good ZvT player, if Fin can clear him then Supernova/STC should have it much easier.
Besides denying the Protoss players CBTS its also a very good map for Terran vs Zerg, since the Zerg cannot really know what you are doing. Obviously the easy choice for Terran would go a command center first, as you cannot punish it or at least not as easy as on other maps, YET you cannot be too greedy , because he might proxy rax you as well.
There are a lot of mindgames involved. After you took your expansion, its still a very hard task for a Zerg to find out what exactly your opponent is doing. A competent Terran can most likely deny scouting which leaves the Zerg blind and he either has to take a risk and gamble with taking a 3rd or even 4th fast / tech or invest something into actually being save.
I really think Seal will bite the dust pretty hard if I keep an eye on the upgrades I do see StC with 2-2 nearly done when seal has its 2-2 started. If he really wants to go with ultralisks, which are really good if you have an upgrade advantage... he needs to keep an eye on the units of StC, because with same upgrades or even more terrible worse upgrades, Terran will eat ultralisks alive and have a good BBQ.
I really love how Korean Terrans are always aware of the fact that mules make up for a lot of scvs, so they'll usually stop on 65-75 scvs maximum so have a good army supply. Really enjoy keeping an eye on the details
I don't understand what seal was doing this game, all of his upgrades came so late, his tech was delayed, he took super early gas and then did absolutely nothing with it, he didn't make anywhere near enough infestors and his baneling tech was completely useless.
This transition and build/composition are Seal's trademark. (Hu, that is, ultra-brood-infestor-bane... Basically a tech salad.) I have watched his stream a few times and when he is left alone long enough while going for this strat he almost invariably kills his opponent.
Not going to lie, but that wasn't very impressive by StC. He played very well until that upgrade advantage and did pressure, but he totally failed to scout or take more bases while doing so. Got cought completely offguard by the broodlords then and since the map is very narrow as our beloved casters did point out, there was no real way of spreading out your bio into a concave and getting a good engagement (broodlords are not really a problem if you don't have 20+, but the fungal 'stun' and AoE is).
TheStC must be playing in lag similar to this stream atm. TheStC does love to macro up, but a little passive to be a great Korean terran. Also, he's not a good finisher and decision making is sub par.
I've heard Idra talk about how Seal is a super talented up-and-coming player. I watch his stream whenever its on and he seems to be pretty freakin strong. I can't believe he came back from that, thought he was dead.
On March 08 2012 11:13 Type|NarutO wrote: Why don't they send VINES? They probably don't want him to be 'sniped' by Jjakji, but InCa I can't agree with.
Inca in his worst matchup just seems really weird
also, another huge map. 2nd chance for Seal to do some massive unbeatable creep spread
On March 08 2012 11:13 Type|NarutO wrote: Why don't they send VINES? They probably don't want him to be 'sniped' by Jjakji, but InCa I can't agree with.
Inca in his worst matchup just seems really weird
Especially since they could send him against a possible 'last man standing ace' Sage (if Jjakji goes down) as a PvP sniper.
On March 08 2012 11:13 Type|NarutO wrote: Why don't they send VINES? They probably don't want him to be 'sniped' by Jjakji, but InCa I can't agree with.
Inca in his worst matchup just seems really weird
Especially since they could send him against a possible 'last man standing ace' Sage (if Jjakji goes down) as a PvP sniper.
Does oGs even have Supernova available? These games were played last night and Supernova had to play in IEM today
is sc2 really such a boring game that u guys have to discuss why u have and have not played singleplayer sc2 and for how long u played it and on what difficulty and who made u play singleplayer and what u think of it and .... is there nothing to comment on? 5 minutes into the game and you keep on talking about stuff no one cares about..
On March 08 2012 11:13 Type|NarutO wrote: Why don't they send VINES? They probably don't want him to be 'sniped' by Jjakji, but InCa I can't agree with.
Inca in his worst matchup just seems really weird
Especially since they could send him against a possible 'last man standing ace' Sage (if Jjakji goes down) as a PvP sniper.
Does oGs even have Supernova available? These games were played last night and Supernova had to play in IEM today
I don't think SuperNoVa was available, but I didn't mention him, did I :D?
On March 08 2012 11:13 Type|NarutO wrote: Why don't they send VINES? They probably don't want him to be 'sniped' by Jjakji, but InCa I can't agree with.
Inca in his worst matchup just seems really weird
Especially since they could send him against a possible 'last man standing ace' Sage (if Jjakji goes down) as a PvP sniper.
Does oGs even have Supernova available? These games were played last night and Supernova had to play in IEM today
I don't think SuperNoVa was available, but I didn't mention him, did I :D?
You didn't but it just had me thinking when you had InCa coming out against the ace since Supernova would typically be the ace. sorry if it seems like a random procession
On March 08 2012 11:13 Type|NarutO wrote: Why don't they send VINES? They probably don't want him to be 'sniped' by Jjakji, but InCa I can't agree with.
Inca in his worst matchup just seems really weird
Especially since they could send him against a possible 'last man standing ace' Sage (if Jjakji goes down) as a PvP sniper.
Does oGs even have Supernova available? These games were played last night and Supernova had to play in IEM today
I don't think SuperNoVa was available, but I didn't mention him, did I :D?
You didn't but it just had me thinking when you had InCa coming out against the ace since Supernova would typically be the ace. sorry if it seems like a random procession
I think brining VINES as your 'ace' since he's in very good shape right now, if Jjakji is down they will probably send out Sage and InCa is PvP sniper. SuperNoVa is someone I would send if you are down x-4 because he's good overall.
No punishment of a a 3rd base which is build on 1SG/1Robo/1gate infrastructure, and Seal didn't take the opportunity to heavily drone/expand aggressively. Game was over for a long time then.
InCa really looks like he wants to play some gateway allin. 2 gate expansion with 2 gas going for a lot of sentries and very delayed tech really looks like 5 6 7 8 gate push.
On March 08 2012 11:39 Shellshock1122 wrote: Who's the best player left to take out Jjakji for oGs? I feel like it would have been Supernova in TvT but he's not going to be available
On March 08 2012 11:39 Shellshock1122 wrote: Who's the best player left to take out Jjakji for oGs? I feel like it would have been Supernova in TvT but he's not going to be available
I think Vines can take out Jjakji (of course if Inca's DT couldn't do the job )
On March 08 2012 11:39 Shellshock1122 wrote: Who's the best player left to take out Jjakji for oGs? I feel like it would have been Supernova in TvT but he's not going to be available
On March 08 2012 11:39 Shellshock1122 wrote: Who's the best player left to take out Jjakji for oGs? I feel like it would have been Supernova in TvT but he's not going to be available
VINES
I do realize his record against top Terrans is not very good, but he certainly is in very good shape right now.
On March 08 2012 11:39 Shellshock1122 wrote: Who's the best player left to take out Jjakji for oGs? I feel like it would have been Supernova in TvT but he's not going to be available
VINES
Yea I guess vines is owning up the teamleagues and beat marineking who is pretty hot in TvP right now but I thought you wanted to save him as the ace player
On March 08 2012 11:39 Shellshock1122 wrote: Who's the best player left to take out Jjakji for oGs? I feel like it would have been Supernova in TvT but he's not going to be available
TheStC is pretty fearsome.
TheStC is already eliminated
Oh indeed. OP wasn't updated, i thought only Fin was down.
Well, with thestc and forgg out, supernova not available, it's gonna be hard if oGs lose Inca too fast.
On March 08 2012 11:49 Noocta wrote: Oh.. actually, I don'"t know how oGs will win this now. ForGG , TheStC and Inca down, while NSHOSO still have Jjakji, San and Sage ? Gonna be hard.
If Jjakji loses to Vines, I give the advantage to ogs since San and Sage are extremely weak in PvP compared to other matchups
I don't even know who they would throw that could beat those 3. Luvisic is code A, but he's gonna get smushed by JJakji's T v Z. Maybe one of their random, code a/b terrans like top or ensnare. Jjakji's t v t is weak, but whichever of those terrans they choose isn't gonna beat the two protoss behind Jjakji
On March 08 2012 11:56 NateTron wrote: I don't even know who they would throw that could beat those 3. Luvisic is code A, but he's gonna get smushed by JJakji's T v Z. Maybe one of their random, code a/b terrans like top or ensnare. Jjakji's t v t is weak, but whichever of those terrans they choose isn't gonna beat the two protoss behind Jjakji
If Vines goes down it's going to require a miracle with no supernova available
TOP could take Jjakji. From what I remember he has great TvT, which seems to be Jjakji's Achilles heel. Oh well, maybe weaker match-up is a better choice of words, as he's got 55% wins in TvT.
On March 08 2012 11:59 WigglingSquid wrote: TOP has been going up and down for a while, but if he's back on the upper half of his swings he could be used to good effect.
People caught up to his macro ability. He just cant out produce people anymore. His unit control was never anything special. He'd always just have more shit than you
On March 08 2012 11:56 NateTron wrote: I don't even know who they would throw that could beat those 3. Luvisic is code A, but he's gonna get smushed by JJakji's T v Z. Maybe one of their random, code a/b terrans like top or ensnare. Jjakji's t v t is weak, but whichever of those terrans they choose isn't gonna beat the two protoss behind Jjakji
If Vines goes down it's going to require a miracle with no supernova available
Jookto. If I was OGs Manager, I don't test his vZ. Like you said though, not like they had anything to choose from
I think sending out JookTo even though I believe he's not good enough to beat Jjakji, oGs is counting on him being equally 'bad' in ZvZ compared to the NSHS lineup and them probably sending out Sage if Jjakji fails and JookTo is actually good in ZvP so... reasonable choice I guess even if I believe they don't think they can win anymore :p
Atlantis spaceship seems to be pretty good map for zerg so far. Maybe Jookto will go into god mode nvm just looked up the stats. guess i just saw the 2 games where zerg looked good
Was kind of expecting Jjakji to roflstomp but Jookto is making this very interesting! Kinda think maybe Jookto should try a doom drop with lots of ultras though, they just don't do well in deathball situations.
Heh as I type this Jjakji just pulling Jookto apart - I love nuke usage :D
. oGs has done so well in this tournament to lose 5-2 to nshs TT. Vines got pubstomped, super not able to play, seal playing.... I want to say abusive almost...
Zergs need to realize that once you attack with Broodlords, there's no turning back. Indecision with broodlords cause more losses than bad engagements alone.
On March 08 2012 12:30 kubiks wrote: oGs was kinda unlucky to have to do this match without thier ace :/ Wp jjikaji remembering us he is the former GSl champion
Prime is still favored here, MKP, maru and creator will be hard to take down
It is even harder since they need to take them down twice.
On March 08 2012 12:30 kubiks wrote: oGs was kinda unlucky to have to do this match without thier ace :/ Wp jjikaji remembering us he is the former GSl champion
Prime is still favored here, MKP, maru and creator will be hard to take down
And jjakji lucky he didn't have to face a competent Terran. It's still his weakest matchup by a longshot. He won't be able to take out MKP+Maru+Byun, unfortunately.
Prime vs NSH should be better than last time as it seems NSH has gotten a bit more confidence against competent terrans. Will they be able to take out MKP, Maru, Byun and then creator? Really interested in finding out ^^
On March 08 2012 12:30 kubiks wrote: oGs was kinda unlucky to have to do this match without thier ace :/ Wp jjikaji remembering us he is the former GSl champion
Prime is still favored here, MKP, maru and creator will be hard to take down
And jjakji lucky he didn't have to face a competent Terran. It's still his weakest matchup by a longshot. He won't be able to take out MKP+Maru+Byun, unfortunately.
Seal is looking to be a ZvT specialist, if Prime throws one of them out look for NHHS to send him against them. He looked really good against theSTC and ForGG.
On March 08 2012 12:30 kubiks wrote: oGs was kinda unlucky to have to do this match without thier ace :/ Wp jjikaji remembering us he is the former GSl champion
Prime is still favored here, MKP, maru and creator will be hard to take down
And jjakji lucky he didn't have to face a competent Terran. It's still his weakest matchup by a longshot. He won't be able to take out MKP+Maru+Byun, unfortunately.
His TvT is looking alot better as of late, its still his weakest matchup tho
On March 08 2012 14:17 illsick wrote: what happened to TOP? he fell off so hard after becoming runner up of a GSL
Top was good because he used to have better macro than everyone else so he'd win through sheer numbers. Now everyone's macro is good so he lost his advantage
I don't understand how protoss don't keep one HT in each mineral line with 3-4 cannons against muta... it completely negates harass and if the zerg is bad they lose thousands of muta hp
On March 08 2012 14:17 illsick wrote: what happened to TOP? he fell off so hard after becoming runner up of a GSL
Top was good because he used to have better macro than everyone else so he'd win through sheer numbers. Now everyone's macro is good so he lost his advantage
I guess you could say TOP ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) Fell to the bottom YEEEEEAAAHHHHHH!!!!
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