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Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
March 07 2012 11:11 GMT
#1221
On March 07 2012 20:08 Krossfire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 20:05 Pandemona wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:02 Vei wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:01 Pandemona wrote:
On March 07 2012 19:59 Sc2Null wrote:
nothing could be done against those blink stalkers without infestors...those blinks were just....dear god


Maybe some Hydra though, the one time IdrA doesnt get his 60 drones and gets his Hydra Roach it hurts him! Hydra the only thing to kill Blink Stalkers.

going hydras is really frustrating/bad imo. i'm by no means a good zerg but as soon as you're off creep, your hydra investment is useless unless you have such a HUGE advantage that you can walk to his base and it doesn't even matter... which would require some serious mistakes on the P's part.

although maybe its more of a defensive opener, i guess.


Yes ofc they are bad off creep, but like you say for a Defenders advantage being on creep anyway its not entirely that bad, plus Darkforce beat real with 2x Roach Hydra timings. I do think there the only way to beat mass stalkers though.


Exactly, iv seen good korean zergs destroy that immortal/gateway push with hydra/ling and couple spines

its all about knowing when to engage and flanking with lings so toss cant run from hydra dps


Xigua destroyed it against Killer without using Hydras. He forced a few FF's and he threw spines. People are forgetting how late Idra's roach warren was. He had slow roaches against Immortal/stalker/sentry. Even if Feast didnt have those two immortals, i dont think Idra was going to hold it.
I've got moves like Jagger
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
March 07 2012 11:11 GMT
#1222
That Reebok advert is so incredibly annoying.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
Vei
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2845 Posts
March 07 2012 11:11 GMT
#1223
On March 07 2012 20:02 Notfragile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 19:59 Derity wrote:
yay, Feast, well played Sir.

Grubby mentorship pays off :D


Yeaaaaaaaaah right. The fact that Idra does not bother to l2p by watching some DRG/Stephano vods pays off.
The way that guy thinks is beyond me. Watch how they who manage to do it do it, then do it yourself.

And why must Grubby be in everything? Can someone explain why this guy is so important? Just a mediocre attention seeking ex wc3 pro.

Grubby is one of the most humble and nice players in all of esports, really not cool to say things like that about him. He isn't attention-seeking and he works hard -- he's not the best yet, but you don't become a WC3 legend without having sick potential. I have faith that he'll continue to improve.
www.justin.tv/veisc2 ~ 720p + commentary
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
March 07 2012 11:11 GMT
#1224
On March 07 2012 20:10 Benjamin80 wrote:
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On March 07 2012 20:06 Tachion wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:03 ceaRshaf wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:02 Thurken wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:00 Cereb wrote:
Watching Idra vs toss is always so depressing as a Zerg player.


Try to watch Stephano vs toss and your mood will be way better


But all the tosses will want to hang themselves.

How does stephano typically play ZvP?


He max at 11min and are immune to 2 base timing attacks



Real with that mothership all in could have won if it was executed by MC.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
huehuehuehue
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Estonia455 Posts
March 07 2012 11:11 GMT
#1225
KAS FIGHTING!
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
March 07 2012 11:11 GMT
#1226
On March 07 2012 20:10 Leetley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 20:08 Megabuster123 wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:06 Tachion wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:03 ceaRshaf wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:02 Thurken wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:00 Cereb wrote:
Watching Idra vs toss is always so depressing as a Zerg player.


Try to watch Stephano vs toss and your mood will be way better


But all the tosses will want to hang themselves.

How does stephano typically play ZvP?

His vP doesn't make any sense, he just mass roaches basically but holds every all-in every game.

It's his superior game sense and strong mechanics.

I'm not going to lie, but I don't think Stephano's mechanics are that much better than any other top tier foreigner. For some reason he just holds shit off though.
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 11:12:54
March 07 2012 11:11 GMT
#1227
On March 07 2012 20:11 Seraphone wrote:
That Reebok advert is so incredibly annoying.

But the sport of fitness has arrived?

On March 07 2012 20:11 Megabuster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 20:10 Leetley wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:08 Megabuster123 wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:06 Tachion wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:03 ceaRshaf wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:02 Thurken wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:00 Cereb wrote:
Watching Idra vs toss is always so depressing as a Zerg player.


Try to watch Stephano vs toss and your mood will be way better


But all the tosses will want to hang themselves.

How does stephano typically play ZvP?

His vP doesn't make any sense, he just mass roaches basically but holds every all-in every game.

It's his superior game sense and strong mechanics.

I'm not going to lie, but I don't think Stephano's mechanics are that much better than any other top tier foreigner. For some reason he just holds shit off though.


I downloaded the Polt/Stephano replays from Assembly. Stephano has stupidly fast APM, way faster than Polt.
@followMVT
kusto
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation823 Posts
March 07 2012 11:12 GMT
#1228
On March 07 2012 20:08 Megabuster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 20:06 Tachion wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:03 ceaRshaf wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:02 Thurken wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:00 Cereb wrote:
Watching Idra vs toss is always so depressing as a Zerg player.


Try to watch Stephano vs toss and your mood will be way better


But all the tosses will want to hang themselves.

How does stephano typically play ZvP?

His vP doesn't make any sense, he just mass roaches basically but holds every all-in every game.


You must be a hardcore Idra fan. Don't know what to say to this lol.
the game is the game
Hypertension
Profile Joined April 2011
United States802 Posts
March 07 2012 11:12 GMT
#1229
Idra, please, please, please....

no 6 poll.
Buy boots first. Boots good item.
Latty
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany567 Posts
March 07 2012 11:12 GMT
#1230
On March 07 2012 20:11 Bashion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 20:08 Krossfire wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:05 Pandemona wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:02 Vei wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:01 Pandemona wrote:
On March 07 2012 19:59 Sc2Null wrote:
nothing could be done against those blink stalkers without infestors...those blinks were just....dear god


Maybe some Hydra though, the one time IdrA doesnt get his 60 drones and gets his Hydra Roach it hurts him! Hydra the only thing to kill Blink Stalkers.

going hydras is really frustrating/bad imo. i'm by no means a good zerg but as soon as you're off creep, your hydra investment is useless unless you have such a HUGE advantage that you can walk to his base and it doesn't even matter... which would require some serious mistakes on the P's part.

although maybe its more of a defensive opener, i guess.


Yes ofc they are bad off creep, but like you say for a Defenders advantage being on creep anyway its not entirely that bad, plus Darkforce beat real with 2x Roach Hydra timings. I do think there the only way to beat mass stalkers though.


Exactly, iv seen good korean zergs destroy that immortal/gateway push with hydra/ling and couple spines

its all about knowing when to engage and flanking with lings so toss cant run from hydra dps


Xigua destroyed it against Killer without using Hydras. He forced a few FF's and he threw spines. People are forgetting how late Idra's roach warren was. He had slow roaches against Immortal/stalker/sentry. Even if Feast didnt have those two immortals, i dont think Idra was going to hold it.


he had roach speed.
"Nice, *claps* gogo kill kill, yeah bane speed, nice EU Power" Dimaga
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
March 07 2012 11:12 GMT
#1231
On March 07 2012 20:11 Seraphone wrote:
That Reebok advert is so incredibly annoying.


yeah, its the worst, keep having to hover over the mute button
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
March 07 2012 11:12 GMT
#1232
On March 07 2012 20:10 Tribuno wrote:
idra should see some stephano's games?

Stephano has something that you can't copy.
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
March 07 2012 11:12 GMT
#1233
can somebody tell me the name of the music taht is playing right now?
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
March 07 2012 11:12 GMT
#1234
So IdrA needs to beat SuperNova Kas and Darkforce and then he needs results to go his way hahah! COME ON GRACKEN I BELEIVE.... T.T
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
dainbramage
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia1442 Posts
March 07 2012 11:12 GMT
#1235
On March 07 2012 20:11 MVTaylor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 20:11 Seraphone wrote:
That Reebok advert is so incredibly annoying.

But the sport of fitness has arrived?


I only get red bull and beer ads.

Not counting the on-stream ones.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
March 07 2012 11:12 GMT
#1236
On March 07 2012 20:09 Seraphone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 20:08 Otolia wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:06 Olinim wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:04 Megabuster123 wrote:
That Titan vs. Stephano game was like Stephano's first ZvP loss in forever.

except if u count all the times he lost vs MC. unless u mean just foreigners, but then who cares lol.

He was wasted in his games against MC (in HSC4) and did a all-in on Dual Sight in the Blizzard Cup. I hardly call that a good argument.

Smells like excuses.

It's an explanation. Plus MC is a special protoss, a very good one. No shame in losing to him. You, and some others spend their free time to bash Stephano in every thread and that's fine. Just stop doing it when he isn't playing that makes you look bad. And by bad I meant something else that manners forbid me to say.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10014 Posts
March 07 2012 11:12 GMT
#1237
that b.o by feast on c.k was pretty cool
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
March 07 2012 11:13 GMT
#1238
On March 07 2012 20:10 mememolly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 20:06 Tachion wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:03 ceaRshaf wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:02 Thurken wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:00 Cereb wrote:
Watching Idra vs toss is always so depressing as a Zerg player.


Try to watch Stephano vs toss and your mood will be way better


But all the tosses will want to hang themselves.

How does stephano typically play ZvP?


he has his build down to a science and any early aggression he is completely economical at dealing with, he never misses an inject or gets supply capped, in g3 idra had to panic build 5 overlords, you dont see stephano doing this in tourneys, stephano has better mechanics and reading of the game


Hey hey, at battle of berlin, stephano got hard supply blocked twice against Goody and lost both of those games. In one of those games he was blocked at 128/128 and made 11 overlords at the same time right as goody was pushing.

never is too strong a word
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
March 07 2012 11:13 GMT
#1239
what happened in Kas-Feast?
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
March 07 2012 11:13 GMT
#1240
Why does ESL have the best t-shirts?

First the 4 Gate/6 Pool/that Terran one that I forgot, and now Probes & Pylons, Drones & Overlords and... possibly a Terran one.
ffxiv enjoyer
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