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On March 07 2012 20:06 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:04 Megabuster123 wrote: That Titan vs. Stephano game was like Stephano's first ZvP loss in forever. except if you count his losses vs MC. unless u mean just foreigners, but then who cares lol.
Since the loss to MC he never lost to protoss ever He had a record 30-0 of smth. But then the titan appeared.
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On March 07 2012 20:06 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:04 Megabuster123 wrote: That Titan vs. Stephano game was like Stephano's first ZvP loss in forever. except if u count all the times he lost vs MC. unless u mean just foreigners, but then who cares lol. He was wasted in his games against MC (in HSC4) and did a all-in on Dual Sight in the Blizzard Cup. I hardly call that a good argument.
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On March 07 2012 20:05 zul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:03 bluQ wrote: So funny ... Darkforce 2-0 real and idra 0-2 feast. Sup Idra? if you want to compare scores, don`t take different players. IdrA also played versus real and lost 0:2 Woopsie ... forgot to include that xD Makes my statement look kinda dumb, and yea it was 2-1 ... anyways in the heat i was too fast. But guess u guys got my point  A good german Z wins vs toss and yet the "best" US zerg loses hard.
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On March 07 2012 20:06 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:03 ceaRshaf wrote:On March 07 2012 20:02 Thurken wrote:On March 07 2012 20:00 Cereb wrote: Watching Idra vs toss is always so depressing as a Zerg player. Try to watch Stephano vs toss and your mood will be way better  But all the tosses will want to hang themselves. How does stephano typically play ZvP?
He defends your early aggression flawlessly, and if you try to do a 2 base timing he has so much roach/ling that the P will not have a chance. If the toss survives to the lategame, he will have to face a terrifying army of broodlord/infestor.
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On March 07 2012 20:05 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:00 Maghetti wrote: That game was...kind of bullshit. Idra must be raging so hard from that build. It should not have worked and that is why it worked because no one would seriously go forge 4 gate into nexus so idra thought it was an allin and made nothing but units. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342 thanks man.
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On March 07 2012 20:06 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:03 ceaRshaf wrote:On March 07 2012 20:02 Thurken wrote:On March 07 2012 20:00 Cereb wrote: Watching Idra vs toss is always so depressing as a Zerg player. Try to watch Stephano vs toss and your mood will be way better  But all the tosses will want to hang themselves. How does stephano typically play ZvP?
he maeks roach and doesnt afraid of anything
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On March 07 2012 20:04 OTIX wrote: Soon Idra will announce he's coaching the LoL team. Best comment on the matter by far
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On March 07 2012 20:03 Animzor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:02 Notfragile wrote:On March 07 2012 19:59 Derity wrote: yay, Feast, well played Sir.
Grubby mentorship pays off :D Yeaaaaaaaaah right. The fact that Idra does not bother to l2p by watching some DRG/Stephano vods pays off. The way that guy thinks is beyond me. Watch how they who manage to do it do it, then do it yourself.  And why must Grubby be in everything? Can someone explain why this guy is so important? Just a mediocre attention seeking ex wc3 pro. What the hell are you talking about? and Grubby is fucking awesome.
I am talking about Stephano's insane ZvP and Idra's inability to mimic it. With Idra's mechanics he should be able to pull it off. Seing Stephano v P makes me feel bad for the toss, seing Idra v P makes me think the match-up is unbeatable from the Zerg POV.
Also, I am wondering about Grubby and why he is that awesome as you say. It's off topic but please pm me some links to threads, vods etc that explain this. I am really, honestly wondering.
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On March 07 2012 20:06 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:03 ceaRshaf wrote:On March 07 2012 20:02 Thurken wrote:On March 07 2012 20:00 Cereb wrote: Watching Idra vs toss is always so depressing as a Zerg player. Try to watch Stephano vs toss and your mood will be way better  But all the tosses will want to hang themselves. How does stephano typically play ZvP?
Quick eco and then tonnes of roach pressure with the aim of denying protoss from taking a third. After about 5 waves the protoss just buckles and dies.
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Italy12246 Posts
On March 07 2012 20:06 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:03 ceaRshaf wrote:On March 07 2012 20:02 Thurken wrote:On March 07 2012 20:00 Cereb wrote: Watching Idra vs toss is always so depressing as a Zerg player. Try to watch Stephano vs toss and your mood will be way better  But all the tosses will want to hang themselves. How does stephano typically play ZvP?
From what ive seen, he usually defends whatever pressure/timing protoss throws at him insanely well, then slows the third over and over again with roaches; eventually protoss doesn't have the economy to deal with his hive transition.
Honestly, he just looks solid as fuck every time he plays. It's really awesome to watch.
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On March 07 2012 20:01 lorgoth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:00 Cereb wrote: Watching Idra vs toss is always so depressing as a Zerg player. After Idra game just watch some Stephano vs P and ull feel better
So true..Thanks for the tip! 
I seriously try to avoid Idra v P in fear of adapting some kind of incredibly negative view on the mu :p
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On March 07 2012 20:08 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:06 Olinim wrote:On March 07 2012 20:04 Megabuster123 wrote: That Titan vs. Stephano game was like Stephano's first ZvP loss in forever. except if u count all the times he lost vs MC. unless u mean just foreigners, but then who cares lol. He was wasted in his games against MC (in HSC4) and did a all-in on Dual Sight in the Blizzard Cup. I hardly call that a good argument.
Smells like excuses.
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On March 07 2012 20:08 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:06 Tachion wrote:On March 07 2012 20:03 ceaRshaf wrote:On March 07 2012 20:02 Thurken wrote:On March 07 2012 20:00 Cereb wrote: Watching Idra vs toss is always so depressing as a Zerg player. Try to watch Stephano vs toss and your mood will be way better  But all the tosses will want to hang themselves. How does stephano typically play ZvP? His vP doesn't make any sense, he just mass roaches basically but holds every all-in every game. It's his superior game sense and strong mechanics.
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Lol, loving the mellow beat in that APC ad
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On March 07 2012 20:09 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:08 Otolia wrote:On March 07 2012 20:06 Olinim wrote:On March 07 2012 20:04 Megabuster123 wrote: That Titan vs. Stephano game was like Stephano's first ZvP loss in forever. except if u count all the times he lost vs MC. unless u mean just foreigners, but then who cares lol. He was wasted in his games against MC (in HSC4) and did a all-in on Dual Sight in the Blizzard Cup. I hardly call that a good argument. Smells like excuses.
I think he was hangover but MC would have won regardless.
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On March 07 2012 20:08 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:06 Olinim wrote:On March 07 2012 20:04 Megabuster123 wrote: That Titan vs. Stephano game was like Stephano's first ZvP loss in forever. except if u count all the times he lost vs MC. unless u mean just foreigners, but then who cares lol. He was wasted in his games against MC (in HSC4) and did a all-in on Dual Sight in the Blizzard Cup. I hardly call that a good argument. He lost during Blizzcup as well.
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idra should see some stephano's games?
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On March 07 2012 20:06 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:03 ceaRshaf wrote:On March 07 2012 20:02 Thurken wrote:On March 07 2012 20:00 Cereb wrote: Watching Idra vs toss is always so depressing as a Zerg player. Try to watch Stephano vs toss and your mood will be way better  But all the tosses will want to hang themselves. How does stephano typically play ZvP?
He max at 11min and are immune to 2 base timing attacks
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On March 07 2012 20:08 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:05 zul wrote:On March 07 2012 20:03 bluQ wrote: So funny ... Darkforce 2-0 real and idra 0-2 feast. Sup Idra? if you want to compare scores, don`t take different players. IdrA also played versus real and lost 0:2 Woopsie ... forgot to include that xD Makes my statement look kinda dumb, and yea it was 2-1 ... anyways in the heat i was too fast. But guess u guys got my point  A good german Z wins vs toss and yet the "best" US zerg loses hard.
We'll see who wins DarkForce vs IdrA
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On March 07 2012 20:06 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:03 ceaRshaf wrote:On March 07 2012 20:02 Thurken wrote:On March 07 2012 20:00 Cereb wrote: Watching Idra vs toss is always so depressing as a Zerg player. Try to watch Stephano vs toss and your mood will be way better  But all the tosses will want to hang themselves. How does stephano typically play ZvP?
he has his build down to a science and any early aggression he is completely economical at dealing with, he never misses an inject or gets supply capped, in g3 idra had to panic build 5 overlords, you dont see stephano doing this in tourneys, stephano has better mechanics and reading of the game
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