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On March 07 2012 19:20 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:18 Jono7272 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:15 Tump wrote:On March 07 2012 19:13 Jono7272 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:11 Tump wrote:On March 07 2012 19:09 doffe wrote:
ridicolously unfair and silly play by Feast imo... 14min no obs wtf? Really dont like these builds that say, "hope he doesnt get banshee cause then I lose". And tbh, if Feast saw the replay of the game before he should have had given that to Kas. Thats just good sportmanship.
Uh... Feast read his build and knew he was going bio. Do you even know how competitive Starcraft is played? Or anything about it? Why would you get an Observer when you KNOW you don't need it. Feast was adjusting his build to cut corners. That's what good players constantly do day in and day out. He didn't scout anything past the bunker. He knew nothing. Uh are you serious? The bunker is a tell that you're going for 1 rax command center into bio. It could be a bluff, going for some kind 1-1-1 on one or two bases, but he can scout that with a Stalker. Kas JUST DID the same exact build on the same map before the disconnect. Players tend to not change because they prepare a specific build for a specific map and matchup. You're a dolt. Lol. You can go 1 rax cc, into double gas, into banshees. He didn't know. He made a good guess. You realize everyone does this right? A player scouts a nexus being built, they assume that their opponent is expanding. The opponent can then expand, or cancel the nexus and go all in. The player that scouted the nexus has to guess what will happen, since he can't know for sure. This happens pretty much every game. You make educated guesses to get ahead of your opponent based on things you scout.
It even says in my post he made a good guess, so yes, I realise this.
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On March 07 2012 19:18 Jono7272 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:15 Tump wrote:On March 07 2012 19:13 Jono7272 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:11 Tump wrote:On March 07 2012 19:09 doffe wrote:
ridicolously unfair and silly play by Feast imo... 14min no obs wtf? Really dont like these builds that say, "hope he doesnt get banshee cause then I lose". And tbh, if Feast saw the replay of the game before he should have had given that to Kas. Thats just good sportmanship.
Uh... Feast read his build and knew he was going bio. Do you even know how competitive Starcraft is played? Or anything about it? Why would you get an Observer when you KNOW you don't need it. Feast was adjusting his build to cut corners. That's what good players constantly do day in and day out. He didn't scout anything past the bunker. He knew nothing. Uh are you serious? The bunker is a tell that you're going for 1 rax command center into bio. It could be a bluff, going for some kind 1-1-1 on one or two bases, but he can scout that with a Stalker. Kas JUST DID the same exact build on the same map before the disconnect. Players tend to not change because they prepare a specific build for a specific map and matchup. You're a dolt. Lol. You can go 1 rax cc, into double gas, into banshees. He didn't know. He made a good guess.
Considering Kas (just like his team mate Happy although Happy's more extreme) tend to be very rigid one trick ponies making that guess is not as risky as it sounds. If Feast would have done that guess against somebody like PuMa or SeleCT however he probably would not have done that.
Kas has been switching in more other builds recently though so that should definatly improve his game. Even if his aggresive play wouldn't be as good that would be offset by the fast that his ´new´ style is harder to predict.
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meh , hard to see idra winning this series if he loses this first map. Antiga hasn't been good for ZvP..
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On March 07 2012 19:21 Audemed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:20 Mycl wrote:
Idra is getting no love here with the map selections lol Does Idra get ANY love anymore? He seems to have almost completely fallen from grace these few months...
Turns out the bad-boy attitude is only lovable when you're actually winning.
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On March 07 2012 19:21 Jono7272 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:20 Kiyo. wrote:On March 07 2012 19:18 Jono7272 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:15 Tump wrote:On March 07 2012 19:13 Jono7272 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:11 Tump wrote:On March 07 2012 19:09 doffe wrote:
ridicolously unfair and silly play by Feast imo... 14min no obs wtf? Really dont like these builds that say, "hope he doesnt get banshee cause then I lose". And tbh, if Feast saw the replay of the game before he should have had given that to Kas. Thats just good sportmanship.
Uh... Feast read his build and knew he was going bio. Do you even know how competitive Starcraft is played? Or anything about it? Why would you get an Observer when you KNOW you don't need it. Feast was adjusting his build to cut corners. That's what good players constantly do day in and day out. He didn't scout anything past the bunker. He knew nothing. Uh are you serious? The bunker is a tell that you're going for 1 rax command center into bio. It could be a bluff, going for some kind 1-1-1 on one or two bases, but he can scout that with a Stalker. Kas JUST DID the same exact build on the same map before the disconnect. Players tend to not change because they prepare a specific build for a specific map and matchup. You're a dolt. Lol. You can go 1 rax cc, into double gas, into banshees. He didn't know. He made a good guess. You realize everyone does this right? A player scouts a nexus being built, they assume that their opponent is expanding. The opponent can then expand, or cancel the nexus and go all in. The player that scouted the nexus has to guess what will happen, since he can't know for sure. This happens pretty much every game. You make educated guesses to get ahead of your opponent based on things you scout. It even says in my post he made a good guess, so yes, I realise this.
Then how can you call it unfair and silly play when everyone does this? Why would you single out Feast?
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Dimaga better don't let Select recover.
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What's going on with Feast's wall off? really delayed Gate, and really exposed cannon...
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On March 07 2012 19:19 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:15 huehuehuehue wrote:On March 07 2012 19:15 Megabuster123 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:12 mordk wrote:On March 07 2012 19:08 Megabuster123 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:05 xrapture wrote:On March 07 2012 19:02 Mentalizor wrote:On March 07 2012 19:01 EmilA wrote:
Prediction: All foreign terrans end last in their groups (Kas perhaps second last to Idra.) Due to the fact, you've got a terran portrait, I think I can smell some Terran bias here... Comments on MMA going 10-0? yes, you're right. Another Korean Terran victory in dominating fashion will prove that all of us Terran players problems with Terran are stupid and Terran needs another nerf. So what a foreign Terran hasnt won a major live event in the last 1.5 years, have you seen the GSL? So Foreign Terrans just suck? Mostly yes, at least when compared to koreans. Thorzain and Kas have shown promise though. Foreign terrans seem to only be able to macro or pull of the effective aggressive builds. Korean terrans tend to do both. Kas and Thorzain sort of represent that. Kas can macro, but his aggression is non-existent and it's not like he's got particularly amazing micro. Whereas Thorzaine has really tight builds, and can all-in at any point really keeping you guessing but his macro isn't anything special either. Agression is nonexistant? Have you watched him play TvZ? Yeah, pushing isn't the same as the constant aggression of most TvZ specialists in Korea with over 70% winrates. Like Ganzi, Gumiho, MMA. They don't let you breath with constant harass, then they hit with huge macro'd pushes. Not to mention how passive Kas's TvP is.
It's not only passive, it has no flair at all. All Europeans want is "playing safe". Kas did a 1 rax CC into more rax, upgrades and some tech? What the fuck, is he reading a tutorial for diamond players on TL or what?
Just look at how MKP or MMA play the game, it's fucking unpredictable and ballsy, that's how Terran is meant to play at the highest level.
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On March 07 2012 19:18 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:16 ftd.rain wrote:On March 07 2012 19:14 JJH777 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:12 Terminal wrote:On March 07 2012 19:11 ZenithM wrote:On March 07 2012 19:08 Megabuster123 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:05 xrapture wrote:On March 07 2012 19:02 Mentalizor wrote:On March 07 2012 19:01 EmilA wrote:
Prediction: All foreign terrans end last in their groups (Kas perhaps second last to Idra.) Due to the fact, you've got a terran portrait, I think I can smell some Terran bias here... Comments on MMA going 10-0? yes, you're right. Another Korean Terran victory in dominating fashion will prove that all of us Terran players problems with Terran are stupid and Terran needs another nerf. So what a foreign Terran hasnt won a major live event in the last 1.5 years, have you seen the GSL? So Foreign Terrans just suck? Yep, I'm sorry, but as unfounded as the "Protoss players are just bad" claims were when every Protoss on the planet was doing bad, I'll say it now: foreigner Terrans are just bad. Why? Because there happens to exist good Terrans, that's why. So foreign Terran's essentially have to be the best players in the world just to win games? Sounds pretty dumb to me. It isn't just the best Korean Terrans that win games. Korea has been very Terran dominated at Code B, Code A, and Code S levels for a long time now. That's a blatant lie and I'm not gonna waste my time pulling all the stats here, but please stop lying. Umm what? How is it a blatant lie. Like 4 of the Code A finals have been TvT. There was once 20 Terrans in Code S. It is NOT just a few good Terrans winning games.
Lurk liquipedia for the recent code A qualifiers, code S and code A results.Stephano and Naniwa were quite a bit weaker (especially Naniwa) than Thorzain or Kas @WC3, I know what that means to me.
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On March 07 2012 19:22 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:21 Jono7272 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:20 Kiyo. wrote:On March 07 2012 19:18 Jono7272 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:15 Tump wrote:On March 07 2012 19:13 Jono7272 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:11 Tump wrote:On March 07 2012 19:09 doffe wrote:
ridicolously unfair and silly play by Feast imo... 14min no obs wtf? Really dont like these builds that say, "hope he doesnt get banshee cause then I lose". And tbh, if Feast saw the replay of the game before he should have had given that to Kas. Thats just good sportmanship.
Uh... Feast read his build and knew he was going bio. Do you even know how competitive Starcraft is played? Or anything about it? Why would you get an Observer when you KNOW you don't need it. Feast was adjusting his build to cut corners. That's what good players constantly do day in and day out. He didn't scout anything past the bunker. He knew nothing. Uh are you serious? The bunker is a tell that you're going for 1 rax command center into bio. It could be a bluff, going for some kind 1-1-1 on one or two bases, but he can scout that with a Stalker. Kas JUST DID the same exact build on the same map before the disconnect. Players tend to not change because they prepare a specific build for a specific map and matchup. You're a dolt. Lol. You can go 1 rax cc, into double gas, into banshees. He didn't know. He made a good guess. You realize everyone does this right? A player scouts a nexus being built, they assume that their opponent is expanding. The opponent can then expand, or cancel the nexus and go all in. The player that scouted the nexus has to guess what will happen, since he can't know for sure. This happens pretty much every game. You make educated guesses to get ahead of your opponent based on things you scout. It even says in my post he made a good guess, so yes, I realise this. Then how can you call it unfair and silly play when everyone does this? Why would you single out Feast?
I never did? That was other people posts lol. I was just correcting someone who said Feast knew what Kas was doing, he made a good guess what Kas was doing.
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On March 07 2012 19:20 Jono7272 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:20 Mycl wrote:
Idra is getting no love here with the map selections lol Daybreak is bad?
Doubt that. From looking at the stats in the Playhem tournament (which has quite a high sample size) it came to the conclusion that Daybreak is sort of balanced in every matchup besides in ZvT (with a big Zerg advantage there).
The 60-40 in ZvT is the reason that Playhem took Daybreak out of their mappool.
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On March 07 2012 19:10 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:09 0ne wrote:On March 07 2012 19:06 Megabuster123 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:04 ceaRshaf wrote:
Can we stop the fucking lol discussion that appears in every major lr thread? Lol always has huge numbers, so people feel the need to comment on the decline of Sc2 by contrast. Sc2 was never that big so it's not really a decline By contrast. I don't know how sc2 is actually doing, but by contrast it seems to be doing terribly lol.
Tournament organizers seem to invest in the game that is doing "terrible" much more than than LoL. Don't know what's wrong with LoL.:D
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On March 07 2012 19:19 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:15 huehuehuehue wrote:On March 07 2012 19:15 Megabuster123 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:12 mordk wrote:On March 07 2012 19:08 Megabuster123 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:05 xrapture wrote:On March 07 2012 19:02 Mentalizor wrote:On March 07 2012 19:01 EmilA wrote:
Prediction: All foreign terrans end last in their groups (Kas perhaps second last to Idra.) Due to the fact, you've got a terran portrait, I think I can smell some Terran bias here... Comments on MMA going 10-0? yes, you're right. Another Korean Terran victory in dominating fashion will prove that all of us Terran players problems with Terran are stupid and Terran needs another nerf. So what a foreign Terran hasnt won a major live event in the last 1.5 years, have you seen the GSL? So Foreign Terrans just suck? Mostly yes, at least when compared to koreans. Thorzain and Kas have shown promise though. Foreign terrans seem to only be able to macro or pull of the effective aggressive builds. Korean terrans tend to do both. Kas and Thorzain sort of represent that. Kas can macro, but his aggression is non-existent and it's not like he's got particularly amazing micro. Whereas Thorzaine has really tight builds, and can all-in at any point really keeping you guessing but his macro isn't anything special either. Agression is nonexistant? Have you watched him play TvZ? Yeah, pushing isn't the same as the constant aggression of most TvZ specialists in Korea with over 70% winrates. Like Ganzi, Gumiho, MMA. They don't let you breath with constant harass, then they hit with huge macro'd pushes. Not to mention how passive Kas's TvP is.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313883¤tpage=11#216
Read up.
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Please idra
please win a game
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On March 07 2012 19:24 Corrosive wrote:
Please idra
please win a game
I thought I was the only one who was thinking idra would go like 0-10 xD
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On March 07 2012 19:23 Megabuster123 wrote:
What's going on with Feast's wall off? really delayed Gate, and really exposed cannon...
Just getting a little greedy because he knows Idra's playstyle I'd guess.
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On March 07 2012 19:24 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:10 Megabuster123 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:09 0ne wrote:On March 07 2012 19:06 Megabuster123 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:04 ceaRshaf wrote:
Can we stop the fucking lol discussion that appears in every major lr thread? Lol always has huge numbers, so people feel the need to comment on the decline of Sc2 by contrast. Sc2 was never that big so it's not really a decline By contrast. I don't know how sc2 is actually doing, but by contrast it seems to be doing terribly lol. Tournament organizers seem to invest in the game that is doing "terrible" much more than than LoL. Don't know what's wrong with LoL.:D
Don't forget that one of the reasons that LoL events get insane stream numbers is that they have a very limited amount of events. On the other hand we get more tournament content then one could possibly watch.
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On March 07 2012 19:24 Meovin- wrote:I thought I was the only one who was thinking idra would go like 0-10 xD
i want SO BADLY for him to do good
but i dream.
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On March 07 2012 19:23 ftd.rain wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:18 JJH777 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:16 ftd.rain wrote:On March 07 2012 19:14 JJH777 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:12 Terminal wrote:On March 07 2012 19:11 ZenithM wrote:On March 07 2012 19:08 Megabuster123 wrote:On March 07 2012 19:05 xrapture wrote:On March 07 2012 19:02 Mentalizor wrote:On March 07 2012 19:01 EmilA wrote:
Prediction: All foreign terrans end last in their groups (Kas perhaps second last to Idra.) Due to the fact, you've got a terran portrait, I think I can smell some Terran bias here... Comments on MMA going 10-0? yes, you're right. Another Korean Terran victory in dominating fashion will prove that all of us Terran players problems with Terran are stupid and Terran needs another nerf. So what a foreign Terran hasnt won a major live event in the last 1.5 years, have you seen the GSL? So Foreign Terrans just suck? Yep, I'm sorry, but as unfounded as the "Protoss players are just bad" claims were when every Protoss on the planet was doing bad, I'll say it now: foreigner Terrans are just bad. Why? Because there happens to exist good Terrans, that's why. So foreign Terran's essentially have to be the best players in the world just to win games? Sounds pretty dumb to me. It isn't just the best Korean Terrans that win games. Korea has been very Terran dominated at Code B, Code A, and Code S levels for a long time now. That's a blatant lie and I'm not gonna waste my time pulling all the stats here, but please stop lying. Umm what? How is it a blatant lie. Like 4 of the Code A finals have been TvT. There was once 20 Terrans in Code S. It is NOT just a few good Terrans winning games. Lurk liquipedia for the recent code A qualifiers, code S and code A results.Stephano and Naniwa were quite a bit weaker (especially Naniwa) than Thorzain or Kas @WC3, I know what that means to me.
Stephano is the best foreigner right now and Naniwa has been in Korea forever and has consistently been having unbelievably epically close games with top koeans since last november. They're both clearly better than Kas and Thorzaine.
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