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MLG Spring Arena Dates Announced - Page 9

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KAmaKAsa
Profile Joined July 2011
Finland210 Posts
March 03 2012 10:48 GMT
#161
When does the winter championship start?
aebriol
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway2066 Posts
March 03 2012 10:49 GMT
#162
On March 03 2012 09:09 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 08:56 Nonvidius wrote:

On March 03 2012 05:27 HappyChris wrote:

No I dont. But I want players to be payed for there work time. Who cares if they get a free trip to NY. They are still working and spending time in NY without getting payed. Atleast at mcdonalds you get minimum vage

So you think its ok that players only get a free trip to New York and work there ass off while MLG makes $$$ of the players?

I hope you realize that MLG is far from making any money, probably very far. If you want players to make more there needs to be incentives for companies to pay them more, hopefully this PPV model works out for MLG and they are at least covering their transport + room and board unlike every other tourney. Don't know why MLG keeps getting flak for this stuff . . . I guess people are really that selfish and bitter about losing their free content.


What the feck are you talking about they sayd it was succesfull so they are making money.

"Success" is such an undefined term.

They call it a success because they are not idiots. If they made a lot of money, or lost money, doesn't matter - they would still call it a success, because they are the only ones that knows the facts, and they aren't morons. It would be moronic to call it a failure, and then try to arrange another one.

I have no idea whether or not they made money off it, but them calling it a success, doesn't matter at all as 'proof' for this either way.
TheSilverfox
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden1928 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 11:00:23
March 03 2012 10:55 GMT
#163
On March 03 2012 16:25 Seraphone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 10:06 Champloo wrote:
On March 03 2012 05:01 MLG_Adam wrote:
we're usually pretty good about instituting community changes.


You are... what!?

gj on scheduling btw, again not the best euro players at your event.


It was actually Dreamhack's fault, not MLG's.


Both of them launched their dates on the same day, and both MLG & DH have publically said that they didn't know the other ones dates.

So before people say stuff like "It's MLG's fault" or "Dude, DreamHack is wrong here" you have to remember - both have responsibility because they did not communicate with each other.

Edit: And no, looking at an event calender or assuming stuff is not communicating with each other in my world.
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Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
March 03 2012 11:27 GMT
#164
The real question is:
- If this event will be PPV also (since first one according to Sundance was a success)
- Will the price be the same?
- Will they fix Twitch in time?

Those are rather important question when you take into account ROI of team sponsors. I know that the MLG pays player costs for the arena and thats lowers the costs for the teams. But PPV also lowers the viewer ship for the team sponsors - so they can decide to cut some contracts when it will come to renegotiation of them.

ale_jrb
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom72 Posts
March 03 2012 12:16 GMT
#165
On March 03 2012 19:49 aebriol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 09:09 HappyChris wrote:
On March 03 2012 08:56 Nonvidius wrote:

On March 03 2012 05:27 HappyChris wrote:

No I dont. But I want players to be payed for there work time. Who cares if they get a free trip to NY. They are still working and spending time in NY without getting payed. Atleast at mcdonalds you get minimum vage

So you think its ok that players only get a free trip to New York and work there ass off while MLG makes $$$ of the players?

I hope you realize that MLG is far from making any money, probably very far. If you want players to make more there needs to be incentives for companies to pay them more, hopefully this PPV model works out for MLG and they are at least covering their transport + room and board unlike every other tourney. Don't know why MLG keeps getting flak for this stuff . . . I guess people are really that selfish and bitter about losing their free content.


What the feck are you talking about they sayd it was succesfull so they are making money.

"Success" is such an undefined term.

They call it a success because they are not idiots. If they made a lot of money, or lost money, doesn't matter - they would still call it a success, because they are the only ones that knows the facts, and they aren't morons. It would be moronic to call it a failure, and then try to arrange another one.

I have no idea whether or not they made money off it, but them calling it a success, doesn't matter at all as 'proof' for this either way.


But running two more suggests that they made something. If they'd lost loads of money, they just wouldn't - they'd have quietly never announced another one.
amiGo_O
Profile Joined February 2012
Czech Republic959 Posts
March 03 2012 12:28 GMT
#166
On March 03 2012 10:06 Champloo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 05:01 MLG_Adam wrote:
we're usually pretty good about instituting community changes.


You are... what!?

gj on scheduling btw, again not the best euro players at your event.

i agree that scheduling is really terrible(?) for DH and MLG, but both events will suffer ... and I dont really get what do you mean by "again", the best players were at MLG, players who didnt manage to qualify and who wanted to avoid best Koreans played at Assembly
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TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 13:24:13
March 03 2012 13:24 GMT
#167
On March 03 2012 17:09 krisss wrote:
Yes, they knew it before they became progamers, but when now things change, and that much money is put into the system by the consumers, i want the players to get their fair share of the money. Because its only for them i pay.


Dont get me wrong i agree players should get a fair share but no one here knows how big the profit for MLG was and no one knows what they are going to do with it so unless you have data on that your argument is pretty weak.

On March 03 2012 17:09 krisss wrote:
And please stop witht hat referral system. Still, the players are not salesmen! They get paid for giving good games, not selling stuff!


In matter of facts, athlete's are some sort of salesmen, they are selling themselves. Look between the difference how Grubby sells himself against other players (just look at the difference in interviews), look how much he makes with his stream (11k followers, 3/4k viewers when he streams). Oh and good luck getting 600 dollars in a month by donations (which he pulls of) when working in McDonalds, so yes they are salesmen, like it or not.
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
March 03 2012 13:36 GMT
#168
the spring arena have to have more than 2 cameras angels as DH has stated that they will feature more cameras to make their event more lively
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
March 03 2012 13:45 GMT
#169
Damn, was hoping they would move into the Columbus location for the very next arena. ><

Will be great regardless but I really want to see this place they have planned.
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Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
March 03 2012 14:06 GMT
#170
On March 03 2012 04:24 Bumblebee wrote:
Unfortunate that DreamHack and the first Spring Arena will be on the same dates.


For most of us it's great. Something else to watch instead of F5ing or lie cheat steal.
Champloo
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1850 Posts
March 03 2012 14:20 GMT
#171
On March 03 2012 21:28 amiGo_O wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 10:06 Champloo wrote:
On March 03 2012 05:01 MLG_Adam wrote:
we're usually pretty good about instituting community changes.


You are... what!?

gj on scheduling btw, again not the best euro players at your event.

i agree that scheduling is really terrible(?) for DH and MLG, but both events will suffer ... and I dont really get what do you mean by "again", the best players were at MLG, players who didnt manage to qualify and who wanted to avoid best Koreans played at Assembly


Look how many top european players didn't even try to qualify for MLG and went to Assembly instead. The same will happen this time again.
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6169 Posts
March 03 2012 14:22 GMT
#172
Could someone breathe, then calmly explain why people are complaining that they're going with too many PPV arenas when the GSL goes on continuously for months (and has pretty quick seasons even then) and is a de facto PPV event for anyone that doesn't like getting up at ungodly early hours of the morning to watch it live on the SQ free stream? (Apologies if you are somewhere where the GSL airing schedule is reasonable.) Oh, and forcing you to use their proprietary player software - which I can't see as being any better or worse than VLC, but then I don't use it for anything but GSL.

Maybe having more PPVs also gives MLG more opportunities to find out what sucks, and fix it? (Starting with the price point.) And then find out if what they did fixed what sucked, or if it added some new suck to the product. What I saw of the Arena looked like it had some good things, and some bad things - but the production value was up a notch from the usual streaming camera of the show floor at a live MLG event. (And the live event isn't bad, if you're there - but that's because of the Dr. Pepper girls.)

Speaking of price point, I did like someone else's suggestion that a yearly "ticket" might be workable if they decide to go more heavily towards the GSL-style events. Especially if it might let them finish a studio in a reasonable location (sorry, NYC is hideously expensive and I'm shocked your offices are even in that city) and maybe add a live crowd.
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Perseverance
Profile Joined February 2010
Japan2800 Posts
March 03 2012 14:40 GMT
#173
I think something like $15 per PPV or $25 ($20 for gold members) for both would be pretty fair for your average viewer, though I would pay full price regardless of how they choose to set it up.
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magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
March 03 2012 14:50 GMT
#174
On March 03 2012 03:28 Fubi wrote:
Don't know about you guys, but as much as I want to support e-sport, I personally can't shell out 20 bucks per month just for MLG (considering GSL and stuff too) =(



I'm sure the cost for these events will be lower as they are going to be held more frequently. $12.99 would seem like a great price to me. (I did pay for the first event and IMO it was worth the money)
aebriol
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway2066 Posts
March 03 2012 15:13 GMT
#175
GSL is a ton more value for money than MLG.

For me at least, when I am primarily concerned with watching good players.

By all means, if MLG is worth it, pay up. It helps MLG, and will evolve their product. I am not interested enough in an MLG weekend to pay that much for what I consider an inferior product, but over time - maybe it won't be, maybe it'll get better.

Up to MLG to do whatever they need to get the best product out there. If PPV monthly tournaments is it, then by all means, go for it. But for me - it's not worth it. Up to everyone to make up their own mind about that.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 15:41:22
March 03 2012 15:32 GMT
#176
On March 03 2012 22:24 TheSir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 17:09 krisss wrote:
Yes, they knew it before they became progamers, but when now things change, and that much money is put into the system by the consumers, i want the players to get their fair share of the money. Because its only for them i pay.


Dont get me wrong i agree players should get a fair share but no one here knows how big the profit for MLG was and no one knows what they are going to do with it so unless you have data on that your argument is pretty weak.

Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 17:09 krisss wrote:
And please stop witht hat referral system. Still, the players are not salesmen! They get paid for giving good games, not selling stuff!


In matter of facts, athlete's are some sort of salesmen, they are selling themselves. Look between the difference how Grubby sells himself against other players (just look at the difference in interviews), look how much he makes with his stream (11k followers, 3/4k viewers when he streams). Oh and good luck getting 600 dollars in a month by donations (which he pulls of) when working in McDonalds, so yes they are salesmen, like it or not.


It doesnt matter how big the profit is for MLG. The fact of the matter is MLG is doing 3 more and sayd the last one was succesfull and at the same time 99% of the players that attended MLG winter arena didnt make 1 cent..

How is that even fair?? Work without getting payed and at the same time there employees are making money? This sound allmost like slavery or something we did to our workers in the 1920 where we didnt had unions.

I really hope MLG will be succesfull how cool woulnt it to have an PPV event every month aslong the players get payed or maybe do like boxing a % of the PPV sales?

Atm it simply not fair that 99% of the players made nothing
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
March 03 2012 16:07 GMT
#177
loved winter arena, hopefully they rework gold to include the arena's and well "ALL" of MLG's content. Would be really convient to just buy something once a year and then not worry about coming up with money. But either way I am looking forward for the next MLG events.
zhenherald
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada37 Posts
March 03 2012 16:09 GMT
#178
Ever consider its in MLGs best interest to schedule an event on the same weekend as a competitor if they have a more lucrative prize pool. If you take the talent you weaken the free alternative to 20$ ppv.
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
March 03 2012 16:09 GMT
#179
On March 03 2012 04:24 Bumblebee wrote:
Unfortunate that DreamHack and the first Spring Arena will be on the same dates.



i some how doubt it's an 'unfortunate coincidence' anymore.
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Deshkar
Profile Joined June 2011
Singapore1244 Posts
March 03 2012 16:18 GMT
#180
Thought the Arenas would be a half yearly, or atmost quarterly event, didn't expect it to become a PPV monthly event like the GSL. Seems like it really devalues the Arenas.
The GSL is by far more worth spending money on, almost daily content and high level content at that.
Didn't pay the first Winter Arena, wouldn't do for the others.
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