EPTMLG Spring Arena Dates Announced - Page 9
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KAmaKAsa
Finland210 Posts
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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
On March 03 2012 09:09 HappyChris wrote: What the feck are you talking about they sayd it was succesfull so they are making money. "Success" is such an undefined term. They call it a success because they are not idiots. If they made a lot of money, or lost money, doesn't matter - they would still call it a success, because they are the only ones that knows the facts, and they aren't morons. It would be moronic to call it a failure, and then try to arrange another one. I have no idea whether or not they made money off it, but them calling it a success, doesn't matter at all as 'proof' for this either way. | ||
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TheSilverfox
Sweden1928 Posts
On March 03 2012 16:25 Seraphone wrote: It was actually Dreamhack's fault, not MLG's. Both of them launched their dates on the same day, and both MLG & DH have publically said that they didn't know the other ones dates. So before people say stuff like "It's MLG's fault" or "Dude, DreamHack is wrong here" you have to remember - both have responsibility because they did not communicate with each other. Edit: And no, looking at an event calender or assuming stuff is not communicating with each other in my world. | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
- If this event will be PPV also (since first one according to Sundance was a success) - Will the price be the same? - Will they fix Twitch in time? Those are rather important question when you take into account ROI of team sponsors. I know that the MLG pays player costs for the arena and thats lowers the costs for the teams. But PPV also lowers the viewer ship for the team sponsors - so they can decide to cut some contracts when it will come to renegotiation of them. | ||
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ale_jrb
United Kingdom72 Posts
On March 03 2012 19:49 aebriol wrote: "Success" is such an undefined term. They call it a success because they are not idiots. If they made a lot of money, or lost money, doesn't matter - they would still call it a success, because they are the only ones that knows the facts, and they aren't morons. It would be moronic to call it a failure, and then try to arrange another one. I have no idea whether or not they made money off it, but them calling it a success, doesn't matter at all as 'proof' for this either way. But running two more suggests that they made something. If they'd lost loads of money, they just wouldn't - they'd have quietly never announced another one. | ||
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amiGo_O
Czech Republic959 Posts
On March 03 2012 10:06 Champloo wrote: You are... what!? gj on scheduling btw, again not the best euro players at your event. i agree that scheduling is really terrible(?) for DH and MLG, but both events will suffer ... and I dont really get what do you mean by "again", the best players were at MLG, players who didnt manage to qualify and who wanted to avoid best Koreans played at Assembly | ||
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TheSir
1830 Posts
On March 03 2012 17:09 krisss wrote: Yes, they knew it before they became progamers, but when now things change, and that much money is put into the system by the consumers, i want the players to get their fair share of the money. Because its only for them i pay. Dont get me wrong i agree players should get a fair share but no one here knows how big the profit for MLG was and no one knows what they are going to do with it so unless you have data on that your argument is pretty weak. On March 03 2012 17:09 krisss wrote: And please stop witht hat referral system. Still, the players are not salesmen! They get paid for giving good games, not selling stuff! In matter of facts, athlete's are some sort of salesmen, they are selling themselves. Look between the difference how Grubby sells himself against other players (just look at the difference in interviews), look how much he makes with his stream (11k followers, 3/4k viewers when he streams). Oh and good luck getting 600 dollars in a month by donations (which he pulls of) when working in McDonalds, so yes they are salesmen, like it or not. | ||
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
Will be great regardless but I really want to see this place they have planned. | ||
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
On March 03 2012 04:24 Bumblebee wrote: Unfortunate that DreamHack and the first Spring Arena will be on the same dates. For most of us it's great. Something else to watch instead of F5ing or lie cheat steal. | ||
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Champloo
Germany1850 Posts
On March 03 2012 21:28 amiGo_O wrote: i agree that scheduling is really terrible(?) for DH and MLG, but both events will suffer ... and I dont really get what do you mean by "again", the best players were at MLG, players who didnt manage to qualify and who wanted to avoid best Koreans played at Assembly Look how many top european players didn't even try to qualify for MLG and went to Assembly instead. The same will happen this time again. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6169 Posts
Maybe having more PPVs also gives MLG more opportunities to find out what sucks, and fix it? (Starting with the price point.) And then find out if what they did fixed what sucked, or if it added some new suck to the product. What I saw of the Arena looked like it had some good things, and some bad things - but the production value was up a notch from the usual streaming camera of the show floor at a live MLG event. (And the live event isn't bad, if you're there - but that's because of the Dr. Pepper girls.) Speaking of price point, I did like someone else's suggestion that a yearly "ticket" might be workable if they decide to go more heavily towards the GSL-style events. Especially if it might let them finish a studio in a reasonable location (sorry, NYC is hideously expensive and I'm shocked your offices are even in that city) and maybe add a live crowd. | ||
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On March 03 2012 03:28 Fubi wrote: Don't know about you guys, but as much as I want to support e-sport, I personally can't shell out 20 bucks per month just for MLG (considering GSL and stuff too) =( I'm sure the cost for these events will be lower as they are going to be held more frequently. $12.99 would seem like a great price to me. (I did pay for the first event and IMO it was worth the money) | ||
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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
For me at least, when I am primarily concerned with watching good players. By all means, if MLG is worth it, pay up. It helps MLG, and will evolve their product. I am not interested enough in an MLG weekend to pay that much for what I consider an inferior product, but over time - maybe it won't be, maybe it'll get better. Up to MLG to do whatever they need to get the best product out there. If PPV monthly tournaments is it, then by all means, go for it. But for me - it's not worth it. Up to everyone to make up their own mind about that. | ||
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On March 03 2012 22:24 TheSir wrote: Dont get me wrong i agree players should get a fair share but no one here knows how big the profit for MLG was and no one knows what they are going to do with it so unless you have data on that your argument is pretty weak. In matter of facts, athlete's are some sort of salesmen, they are selling themselves. Look between the difference how Grubby sells himself against other players (just look at the difference in interviews), look how much he makes with his stream (11k followers, 3/4k viewers when he streams). Oh and good luck getting 600 dollars in a month by donations (which he pulls of) when working in McDonalds, so yes they are salesmen, like it or not. It doesnt matter how big the profit is for MLG. The fact of the matter is MLG is doing 3 more and sayd the last one was succesfull and at the same time 99% of the players that attended MLG winter arena didnt make 1 cent.. How is that even fair?? Work without getting payed and at the same time there employees are making money? This sound allmost like slavery or something we did to our workers in the 1920 where we didnt had unions. I really hope MLG will be succesfull how cool woulnt it to have an PPV event every month aslong the players get payed or maybe do like boxing a % of the PPV sales? Atm it simply not fair that 99% of the players made nothing | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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zhenherald
Canada37 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On March 03 2012 04:24 Bumblebee wrote: Unfortunate that DreamHack and the first Spring Arena will be on the same dates. i some how doubt it's an 'unfortunate coincidence' anymore. | ||
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Deshkar
Singapore1244 Posts
The GSL is by far more worth spending money on, almost daily content and high level content at that. Didn't pay the first Winter Arena, wouldn't do for the others. | ||
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