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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Dranak
United States464 Posts
On March 04 2012 00:32 HappyChris wrote: It doesnt matter how big the profit is for MLG. The fact of the matter is MLG is doing 3 more and sayd the last one was succesfull and at the same time 99% of the players that attended MLG winter arena didnt make 1 cent.. How is that even fair?? Work without getting payed and at the same time there employees are making money? This sound allmost like slavery or something we did to our workers in the 1920 where we didnt had unions. I really hope MLG will be succesfull how cool woulnt it to have an PPV event every month aslong the players get payed or maybe do like boxing a % of the PPV sales? Atm it simply not fair that 99% of the players made nothing Might want to actually look at what happened. 25% of the players from the Winter Arena made at least $900. 16 (50%) of them get free travel/seeding to the Winter Championship where simply making it to the group stage will no doubt give them a nearly guaranteed chance of winning at least $1000. As for the rest, I believe MLG reported that they operated at a net loss last year. As in they lost money and the profit you rage about them having doesn't exist. | ||
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Smackzilla
United States539 Posts
On March 04 2012 00:32 HappyChris wrote: It doesnt matter how big the profit is for MLG. The fact of the matter is MLG is doing 3 more and sayd the last one was succesfull and at the same time 99% of the players that attended MLG winter arena didnt make 1 cent.. How is that even fair?? Work without getting payed and at the same time there employees are making money? This sound allmost like slavery or something we did to our workers in the 1920 where we didnt had unions. I really hope MLG will be succesfull how cool woulnt it to have an PPV event every month aslong the players get payed or maybe do like boxing a % of the PPV sales? Atm it simply not fair that 99% of the players made nothing So what other SC2 tournaments are profit sharing with players? None that I know of. Sure, there's a precedence in other sports for profit sharing, but there's also sports where stable consistent financial support comes from the teams and their sponsors. In SC2, the financial support (if much of any) comes from the teams. The bottom line is that no other SC2 tournament is helping out teams financially like MLG is doing right now. And that's good for the players too, and not just the players who place, but ALL the players on the teams that attended. Money is tight in SC2, but MLG is bring money into the sport and passing some of that onto the teams. That all said, I think it would be great if there was PPV percentages and bonuses for players like they have in UFC. Maybe it will happen some day. However, this is the first time SC2 ever did this. The winter arena was arena #1. UFC just had #144! Rome wasn't built in a day. At least MLG has the balls to try to create something financially sustainable for SC2. | ||
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On March 04 2012 01:31 Dranak wrote: Might want to actually look at what happened. 25% of the players from the Winter Arena made at least $900. 16 (50%) of them get free travel/seeding to the Winter Championship where simply making it to the group stage will no doubt give them a nearly guaranteed chance of winning at least $1000. As for the rest, I believe MLG reported that they operated at a net loss last year. As in they lost money and the profit you rage about them having doesn't exist. Im not talking about MLG and there hole operation im talking about the first ever PPV event called winter Arena. I payed 20 dollars to support that and ill happy do it again and it would be great if it would happend every month becuase then we got a league where players can be supported.. The thing is they need to be supported. Payed for there work. free travel/seeding ? Its a PR stunt to look good come on. The players cant pay the rent for that can they? still as you say 25% made something but what about the rest? Becuase of PPV we now got something unique that can support the scene in itself without sponsors so the quistion are. Do we want all the money to goto MLG only and there top exec ? Or do we want all players to make something? I would love to see the players at the winter arena to respond especially those who didnt make anything. But I do understand if they cant but maybe a player like Cloud could give us his input | ||
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HappyChris
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On March 04 2012 01:42 Smackzilla wrote: So what other SC2 tournaments are profit sharing with players? None that I know of. Sure, there's a precedence in other sports for profit sharing, but there's also sports where stable consistent financial support comes from the teams and their sponsors. In SC2, the financial support (if much of any) comes from the teams. The bottom line is that no other SC2 tournament is helping out teams financially like MLG is doing right now. And that's good for the players too, and not just the players who place, but ALL the players on the teams that attended. Money is tight in SC2, but MLG is bring money into the sport and passing some of that onto the teams. That all said, I think it would be great if there was PPV percentages and bonuses for players like they have in UFC. Maybe it will happen some day. However, this is the first time SC2 ever did this. The winter arena was arena #1. UFC just had #144! Rome wasn't built in a day. At least MLG has the balls to try to create something financially sustainable for SC2. UFC 1 still payed all there fighters tbh | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On March 03 2012 21:16 ale_jrb wrote: But running two more suggests that they made something. If they'd lost loads of money, they just wouldn't - they'd have quietly never announced another one. they ran the pro circuit for 10 years without making a profit and told us sc2 numbers were a huge success ;p then 3 months later it turns out we have to pay from now on. you cant take anything mlg say as fact, just react to what they do instead of their words. | ||
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Dranak
United States464 Posts
On March 04 2012 01:56 HappyChris wrote: Im not talking about MLG and there hole operation im talking about the first ever PPV event called winter Arena. I payed 20 dollars to support that and ill happy do it again and it would be great if it would happend every month becuase then we got a league where players can be supported.. The thing is they need to be supported. Payed for there work. free travel/seeding ? Its a PR stunt to look good come on. The players cant pay the rent for that can they? still as you say 25% made something but what about the rest? Becuase of PPV we now got something unique that can support the scene in itself without sponsors so the quistion are. Do we want all the money to goto MLG only and there top exec ? Or do we want all players to make something? I would love to see the players at the winter arena to respond especially those who didnt make anything. But I do understand if they cant but maybe a player like Cloud could give us his input Paying for the travel wasn't a PR stunt, it was a move designed to remove a barrier to entry for players, thereby allowing them to bring in more of the best players in the world. (Which yes, in turn would bring in more PPV subscriptions). It also works out for the players by giving them better access to another event where they can get paid. There's also been references in this very thread (I don't have original sources) claiming that players preferred less prize money and paid travel to slightly larger prizes and no paid travel, which suggests players are okay with that aspect of the current system. Again, MLG calling the event a "success" still doesn't prove whether or not they turned a profit on it. There's no proof yet that it was a profitable event and that PPV is capable of being truly self-supporting. All we know for certain is that whatever result it did have was encouraging enough to MLG that they're adding an additional event in spring, which does suggest they expect PPV to be profitable (or at least sustainable). When MLG starts turning large profits, I'll worry about if a large enough portion is going to the players. | ||
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Spooony
United Kingdom108 Posts
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Madder
Australia427 Posts
On March 04 2012 01:56 HappyChris wrote: Im not talking about MLG and there hole operation im talking about the first ever PPV event called winter Arena. I payed 20 dollars to support that and ill happy do it again and it would be great if it would happend every month becuase then we got a league where players can be supported.. The thing is they need to be supported. Payed for there work. free travel/seeding ? Its a PR stunt to look good come on. The players cant pay the rent for that can they? still as you say 25% made something but what about the rest? Becuase of PPV we now got something unique that can support the scene in itself without sponsors so the quistion are. Do we want all the money to goto MLG only and there top exec ? Or do we want all players to make something? I would love to see the players at the winter arena to respond especially those who didnt make anything. But I do understand if they cant but maybe a player like Cloud could give us his input You're so ignorant and unappreciative, it's ridiculous. You really need to read what these guys in this thread are saying to you, read it, understand it, shut up. | ||
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Madder
Australia427 Posts
On March 04 2012 02:02 turdburgler wrote: they ran the pro circuit for 10 years without making a profit and told us sc2 numbers were a huge success ;p then 3 months later it turns out we have to pay from now on. you cant take anything mlg say as fact, just react to what they do instead of their words. You're retarded. MLG still plans to do the regular free events for you freeloaders. Just because MLG needs to make a profit and to try break even by supporting the players that play doesn't mean that they're lying. | ||
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GT500
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JustPassingBy
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eloz
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Darksteel
Finland319 Posts
On March 04 2012 19:54 JustPassingBy wrote: I hope they will offer discounted passes for only the final day, because - assuming the schedule is similar to the Winter Arena - living in europe makes it very difficult to watch the first two days (they started around 1am where I live). Yea this is important for me too. I don't want to pay for a competition that happens from 23:00 to 05:00 or so. The final day in Winter Arena was nice because it ended at around 02:00, making it possible to view the finals and still get some sleep before work. I feel starting the competitions a bit earlier every day, like 9 AM local, would gather a lot more European audience. Its not like anyones play should suffer if they have to play at 9 AM. On top of that it would be theoretically better time to play for players coming from Korea too in regard of jet lag | ||
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Bastosai
France23 Posts
But is everybody blind in this topic? MLG running its classic Championship, free viewer with HD pass, on separate dates vs others big tournaments. Then propose a PPV exclusive tournament exactly on same WE as Major European championship? Seems to me like a gentle move to kill softly competition by taking away some big names away from DH/Assembly. I hope to be wrong, but third date of arena should prove or not my point. My two cents. | ||
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Nyarly
France1030 Posts
However, i'm giving a lot of money to every tournament that makes free streams. How ? By watching their ads and keeping the stream opened during the full time of the event. I don't see why i should pay in cash and then pay again by watching ads. And I couldn't care less if players make 150k$ per tournament. I don't want pro players to be superstars winning a lot of money, but i want them to be able to earn enough money for a good life. 3k is two times the avarage salary in france. So instead of upping the pool prizes everywhere and making us pay for that, i would rather see a 3k prized pool tournament founded by ads, sponsors and/or donations where the benefits is shared for every participant (including staff). Meaning that you don't need to win atleast one tournament in the month to pay your rent but participating in few of them would be enough and winning one would be a real bonus. My 2cents. | ||
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iSunrise
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On March 03 2012 04:44 MLG_Adam wrote: Just finding out about this DH situation. Is this a live event of considerable scope? Everything DH is worth considering, don´t you think? It´s the biggest LAN of the world. | ||
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JustPassingBy
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On March 04 2012 20:43 Bastosai wrote: Oddly enough, people did found out that Spring Arena was on the same day as DH, just announced at the same time. But is everybody blind in this topic? MLG running its classic Championship, free viewer with HD pass, on separate dates vs others big tournaments. Then propose a PPV exclusive tournament exactly on same WE as Major European championship? Seems to me like a gentle move to kill softly competition by taking away some big names away from DH/Assembly. I hope to be wrong, but third date of arena should prove or not my point. My two cents. Well, as for assembly, you were very able to watch both events, as they did not overlap time-wise (only date-wise). | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On March 04 2012 20:57 iSunrise wrote: Everything DH is worth considering, don´t you think? It´s the biggest LAN of the world. Kind of irrelevant. It's the third biggest Starcraft 2 tournament after GSL (1st) and MLG (2nd) and this year maybe IPL will surpass Dreamhack anyway. The fact that there's a 'LAN' (which is basically a bunch of kids on the same connection) in Sweden has very little to do with a Starcraft 2 tournament in New York. Especially when it's not actually a Dreamhack LAN, it's a smaller ESports invitational and frankly MLG has proven with IEM and Assembly that when the best players have a choice MLG and anything else not called GSL they will pick MLG. As for viewers well the biggest draw is Idra, Huk, Koreans in that order and they will all favour playing MLG especially as MLG is paying for free flights, food and accommodation. The losers here are the players and Dreamhack, not MLG. | ||
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nufcrulz
Singapore934 Posts
On March 04 2012 02:02 turdburgler wrote: they ran the pro circuit for 10 years without making a profit and told us sc2 numbers were a huge success ;p then 3 months later it turns out we have to pay from now on. you cant take anything mlg say as fact, just react to what they do instead of their words. Well I don't think they've been making money. Really how can they? All they were getting the past year was sponsorship money + spectator and player passes which i doubt covered their expenses alone. Although I think they are better in terms of financial stability compared to IPL (i think someone mentioned they lost over a million dollars last year?), I think they're trying to do things too big, too fast. It wouldn't surprise me at all if I found out they've eaten through most of their start-up capital without having made a profit in any financial year. But I'm just speculating of course, since they're the only ones who know the exact numbers, but I wouldn't be surprised... So now that they realized the other business model wasn't sustainable, they're trying to add PPV. In my opinion I don't feel this community needs PPV. I'd rather have smaller events, with a smaller budget, and making it free to us consumers. I for one am not paying. If I have to pay for SC2, I'd rather use the money to pay for my NBA league pass, something which I've been deferring from coughing up the money for some time already. | ||
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