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Titorelli
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iSunrise
3302 Posts
On March 04 2012 21:14 Seraphone wrote: Kind of irrelevant. It's the third biggest Starcraft 2 tournament after GSL (1st) and MLG (2nd) and this year maybe IPL will surpass Dreamhack anyway. The fact that there's a 'LAN' (which is basically a bunch of kids on the same connection) in Sweden has very little to do with a Starcraft 2 tournament in New York. Especially when it's not actually a Dreamhack LAN, it's a smaller ESports invitational and frankly MLG has proven with IEM and Assembly that when the best players have a choice MLG and anything else not called GSL they will pick MLG. As for viewers well the biggest draw is Idra, Huk, Koreans in that order and they will all favour playing MLG especially as MLG is paying for free flights, food and accommodation. The losers here are the players and Dreamhack, not MLG. After reading your post serveral times I have come to the impression that you don´t like (especially) Dreamhack very much. Therefore I have written my sentences a bit more differently than I would have without knowing that. Otherwise we probably would have ran into each other, because you make it sound that people who enjoy LANs are a bunch of kids, which you should have left out of your arguments, which I understand pretty well, without that flame of yours. Solely from a viewer´s perspective, Dreamhack´s past events were pretty fucking great. Past invitationals or qualifiers for DH, with 2GD and TLO casting were also great fun. I also enjoyed this Assembly far more than the MLG winter arena and also IEM was very good. Both of these were free and both treat their players with respect. Assembly also had >20.000 viewers. Some people also have a life apart from this and the late hours (even on weekends) for the MLG events and also their length make it difficult to watch everything. It is far more relaxing if you have an event like Assembly or Dreamhack within the day to follow. There definately is a market for people who constantly shell out money for their passion, which is Starcraft 2 and that is OK for me. It just isn´t for me at that price point. And I really enjoy their big events like Columbus, which I am looking forward to. I always try to make my time schedule work with these, because they are great. A lower price would probably make me tune in again, but I won´t pay another 20$ for an Arena event. | ||
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BanditX
United States78 Posts
On March 03 2012 03:18 Rabbet wrote: Will you be offering a free high quality stream like the first Winter Arena? User was banned for this post. Lol so true. I disagree with the frequency with this is occuring. And of course they are going to PPV. We've failed as a community. This is why no one should have bought the first winter arena. If you give a Corporation like MLG money, they will take it every opportunity they get, then NASL and IPL and Every other --L will catch on and sc2 will be dead. Good job guys. EDIT- Its also a bit dubious that they are trying to schedule it on the same day as dreamhack. Sounds like a powerplay by MLGsundance to get viewership. They can't possible be broke if they can buy players from other events. I don't like this at all. And its obviously intentional. The first one on the same day as ASUS Rog was aslo intentional. These business tactics by MLG are not good for the growth of Esports. Just lining MLG pockets. God I hate MLG more and more everyday. EDIT2 - Its also terrible for the players to be flying around the world every month. The games evolves when pros can sit and focus on creating new strategies. Not when MLG is begging them to fly around the world twice a month so MLG can make a quick buck. Because they obviously made profit off of Winter Arena, if they can do it again, every month. Fuck MLG. Go back to shit games like Halo, we don't need you. User was warned for this post | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
On March 05 2012 05:57 BanditX wrote: Lol so true. I disagree with the frequency with this is occuring. And of course they are going to PPV. We've failed as a community. This is why no one should have bought the first winter arena. If you give a Corporation like MLG money, they will take it every opportunity they get, then NASL and IPL and Every other --L will catch on and sc2 will be dead. Good job guys. EDIT- Its also a bit dubious that they are trying to schedule it on the same day as dreamhack. Sounds like a powerplay by MLGsundance to get viewership. They can't possible be broke if they can buy players from other events. I don't like this at all. And its obviously intentional. The first one on the same day as ASUS Rog was aslo intentional. These business tactics by MLG are not good for the growth of Esports. Just lining MLG pockets. God I hate MLG more and more everyday. EDIT2 - Its also terrible for the players to be flying around the world every month. The games evolves when pros can sit and focus on creating new strategies. Not when MLG is begging them to fly around the world twice a month so MLG can make a quick buck. Because they obviously made profit off of Winter Arena, if they can do it again, every month. Fuck MLG. Go back to shit games like Halo, we don't need you. Seems like you just hate MLG for no real reason. MLG is helping SC2 grow, and you hate that they want money? You realize if none of these organizations had a way to make money sc2 (as a esport) would ACTUALLY be dead right? | ||
Adebisi
Canada1637 Posts
On March 05 2012 05:57 BanditX wrote: Lol so true. I disagree with the frequency with this is occuring. And of course they are going to PPV. We've failed as a community. This is why no one should have bought the first winter arena. If you give a Corporation like MLG money, they will take it every opportunity they get, then NASL and IPL and Every other --L will catch on and sc2 will be dead. Good job guys. EDIT- Its also a bit dubious that they are trying to schedule it on the same day as dreamhack. Sounds like a powerplay by MLGsundance to get viewership. They can't possible be broke if they can buy players from other events. I don't like this at all. And its obviously intentional. The first one on the same day as ASUS Rog was aslo intentional. These business tactics by MLG are not good for the growth of Esports. Just lining MLG pockets. God I hate MLG more and more everyday. EDIT2 - Its also terrible for the players to be flying around the world every month. The games evolves when pros can sit and focus on creating new strategies. Not when MLG is begging them to fly around the world twice a month so MLG can make a quick buck. Because they obviously made profit off of Winter Arena, if they can do it again, every month. Fuck MLG. Go back to shit games like Halo, we don't need you. Take off the tin foil hat man. | ||
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BanditX
United States78 Posts
On March 05 2012 06:28 jmbthirteen wrote: Damn dude, did Sundance bang your mom or something? So much hate against an organization going all in with sc2. On March 05 2012 06:32 Corrosive wrote: Seems like you just hate MLG for no real reason. MLG is helping SC2 grow, and you hate that they want money? You realize if none of these organizations had a way to make money sc2 (as a esport) would ACTUALLY be dead right? Its that MLG is trying to throw their weight and money at the SC2 audience under the guise of growing esports. MLG's goals have nothing to do with esports. Thats like saying WalMart gives money to stop child labor in foreign textile factories. They say it, but it just isnt true. MLG trying to take over and dominant the SC2 scene is unhealthy for the viewership, the players, and other events. In 2011 MLG's circuit event was exciting. In 2012 they are just trying to cash in. In poor taste at that. Look at it this way, the most successful, and proven sustainable model to esports has been GomTVs. (Even in broodwar.) Almost like a television series in their approach. It builds drama, its reliable, its frequent enough at a good price. Hell, IPL's current model is better. 5$ HD streams and a ticket to a final live event. MLGSundance is taking a UFC PPV approach, where you pay 30$USD to watch 2 days worth of content. Which is a ripoff quite honestly. MLG's dealings lately have seemed underhanded. Annouce Winter Arena 2 months in advance, then announce its 20$ fee 10 days before the event, then fuck over all your subscribers (gold members). Its all a giant power play buy MLG. If you don't see it as well, then you're ignorant about how business works. MLG has the money to draw the star players to their events and weaken other events. HSC3 was exciting because HuK, MC, Ret, Naniwa, everyone went there. Also, its bad for the development of the game and extremely taxing on players to be traveling to MLG events all the time. But why turn it down if they can pay the players $$$$$$ to show up? What happens when MLG schedules X Arena on the same day as HSC4? or even the week after? Think people. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 05 2012 06:43 BanditX wrote: Its that MLG is trying to throw their weight and money at the SC2 audience under the guise of growing esports. MLG's goals have nothing to do with esports. Thats like saying WalMart gives money to stop child labor in foreign textile factories. They say it, but it just isnt true. MLG trying to take over and dominant the SC2 scene is unhealthy for the viewership, the players, and other events. In 2011 MLG's circuit event was exciting. In 2012 they are just trying to cash in. In poor taste at that. Look at it this way, the most successful, and proven sustainable model to esports has been GomTVs. (Even in broodwar.) Almost like a television series in their approach. It builds drama, its reliable, its frequent enough at a good price. Hell, IPL's current model is better. 5$ HD streams and a ticket to a final live event. MLGSundance is taking a UFC PPV approach, where you pay 30$USD to watch 2 days worth of content. Which is a ripoff quite honestly. MLG's dealings lately have seemed underhanded. Annouce Winter Arena 2 months in advance, then announce its 20$ fee 10 days before the event, then fuck over all your subscribers (gold members). Its all a giant power play buy MLG. If you don't see it as well, then you're ignorant about how business works. MLG has the money to draw the star players to their events and weaken other events. HSC3 was exciting because HuK, MC, Ret, Naniwa, everyone went there. Also, its bad for the development of the game and extremely taxing on players to be traveling to MLG events all the time. But why turn it down if they can pay the players $$$$$$ to show up? What happens when MLG schedules X Arena on the same day as HSC4? or even the week after? Think people. There are so many things wrong with your post its not even funny. Yes, MLG 2011 was very exciting. Yet MLG was still in the red, like every other tournament. And guess what, we still get those huge events in 2012! For free! The Arenas are additional tournaments. MLG wants to run more than the 4 big circuit events a year. So in come the Arenas. But in order to run the Arenas they needed to be PPV to actually pull them off. Its not trying to cash in, its trying to create a sustainable business. The most successful and proven sustainable model you talk about, it isn't that successful or sustainable. Gom is probably the only tournament that breaks even and thats because they can get away with having a studio where the best players in the world go to on their own because they live in Korea. No other organization can get away with that. Gom saves so much money by not having to rent out places to hold events. Not sure why you bring up broodwar, which runs on TV stations in Korea. It has nothing to do with the free stream + pay for HD stream. Not to mention, the only way we get to watch BW is through restreams of it. The PPV for the arena was $20 for 3 days of content. And to many people, it was more than worth it. Worth is a personal opinion. And the price probably isn't staying at $20. How is this MLG's fault with the event date? Why didn't DH contact MLG? The DH Open is a brand new event that no one outside of DH knew about. There is blame on both sides. Taxing on the players? MLG will be holding 11 events this year (7 arenas, 2 per season after winter, 4 championship events). 11 events over months is taxing? Are you really complaining about MLG holding more events, 7 which they pay the way for the players, where they are giving away about half a million dollars and provide a huge ROI for teams? Just be honest, you hate MLG for no good reason. | ||
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GhostBusters
United States198 Posts
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Akio00
United States98 Posts
1. So the date overlaps with Dreamhack. It's not the main DH event. Also, MLG announced their date first. Why is nobody upset with DH for not checking with MLG? Also, as many others have stated, they are in different time zones with little to no overlap. 2. MLG charges for this content. GSL does the same. Yes it is more expensive, but nobody is forcing you to buy it. It's like real sports. The Clipper's were the most overpriced ticket in sports for years, yet nobody complained about a horrible product. It's simple, if you don't want to spend for it, then don't. 3. No free stream. Why should they? It is their choice as an organization. They know other tournaments provide free streams, but they CHOOSE to not. Let them choose. Let your voice be heard with your wallet. 4. MLG has sold out and is hurting esports? This is retarded. MLG IS esports in the USA. IPL is growing, but it isn't on MLG's level yet. Get over yourselves. If you don't like it, don't participate. Sitting here anonymously bashing a company on the internet does not make you a better person. | ||
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firemansam
Australia29 Posts
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midftw
Canada170 Posts
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LeLfe
France3160 Posts
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Metak
296 Posts
Being mad at MLG for trying to create a profitable business model is naïve if you actually want e-sports to grow. You can be mad at the idea that the world can be considered a slave to capitalist economy, but that is an entirely different discussion. | ||
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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
On March 05 2012 20:39 Metak wrote: Being mad at MLG for trying to create a profitable business model is naïve if you actually want e-sports to grow. You can be mad at the idea that the world can be considered a slave to capitalist economy, but that is an entirely different discussion. I think it's fine to be annoyed at MLG for promoting their business model with the catch phrase 'support e-Sports' by giving them money. Plenty of ways of doing it without giving them money, and plenty of other companies that take our money without trying to make it about 'supporting e-Sports'. I think that, as a marketing ploy, it's about converting people to 'their cause' instead of giving value for money and promoting it as 'worth it'. I dislike that. Don't mean I dislike capitalism, or other companies that get paid (like GOMTV, NASL, IPL, whatever). | ||
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nutzizme
United States130 Posts
and as far as the whole "supporting esports" shit goes.....me giving my money to mlg doesnt help the "esport" at all. what has mlg done for the esport with my 20 bucks? they decide they want another 20, and then another and then another. its not like mlg is bringing in big sponsors to the sc2 community or anything, all theyre doing is convincing people that their product is superior to others, and worth 20$ for a weekend. unfortunately in my eyes, it is not. /jumps off the mlg train. ps. im not a cheap fuck, ive paid for many GSL's, season 1 of nasl, and that horrorshow of a mlg in dallas. | ||
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Benjamin80
581 Posts
On March 06 2012 00:08 nutzizme wrote: this is why i was skeptical about purchasing the winter arena, because now were gonna see mlg transition over to the pay only product. unfortunately for them, their product isn't enough to make me keep dishing out 20s per weekend. the production value isn't any more than i can view for less from tournaments such as dreamhack. and as far as the whole "supporting esports" shit goes.....me giving my money to mlg doesnt help the "esport" at all. what has mlg done for the esport with my 20 bucks? they decide they want another 20, and then another and then another. its not like mlg is bringing in big sponsors to the sc2 community or anything, all theyre doing is convincing people that their product is superior to others, and worth 20$ for a weekend. unfortunately in my eyes, it is not. /jumps off the mlg train. ps. im not a cheap fuck, ive paid for many GSL's, season 1 of nasl, and that horrorshow of a mlg in dallas. I dont mind the PPV I think its a fun idea and it needed to be tryed. However when that is sayd im against the so called referral program. MLG did the same thing to the halo scene and it completly destroyed the scene. Its a really good business model but a really bad growth model. The problem are if MLG gets so much power of the referral program that they can influence players and teams to participate in other tournaments. It seems MLG is playing hardball and it will only hurt the growth of the scene. | ||
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
Whatever I guess... MLG is losing more and more of my respect each time they announce something. Soon enough, casters and players will realise how hurting their business way is for the growth of SC2. | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
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My.Row
Germany24 Posts
MLG Spring Arena Dates Ann… ...a Prosser! 1st thing that came to my mind. Other than that: Looking 4ward 2 it! | ||
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